Arad wouldn't have much say in this at all. Rothman would be the one who decides whether they stay or go, and Pascal is the go-between for Sony here.
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Wkd Box Office - 10•5-7•18 - Audiences slurp up Venom. $80M Oct Record. Gaga is a strong 2nd. $42M.
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Arad wouldn't have much say in this at all. Rothman would be the one who decides whether they stay or go, and Pascal is the go-between for Sony here.
Venom V. Morbuis: Dawn Of Spider-Verse featuring Silver Sable and Black Cat
Venom was fun and Sony was smart enough not to shoot for the summer. It was exactly what I was looking for this weekend.
I will ask the same question I always ask for this. Why would Disney extend without Sony loosening their grip on the license? Why would Sony loosen their grip on the license now that it's proven that even a poorly critically received Venom movie is going to be profitable.
Give me a logical, business answer without the fan in you. The answer to everything always boils down to money, but tell me in this instance why each party would want to resign and what it would take for them to resign.
Not trying to be a dick here but I'm honestly having a hard time trying to answer this because you seriously think Disney wants to end the deal and no longer have Spider-Man in their Avengers movies.
... What in the world?
I'm sure this has been asked a million times, but how does a program like A-List work for box office totals?
Wow, I'm surprised at how well Venom did. When Tom Hardy said "I want to make a sequel" i thought "naw, this will bomb" mainly because of bad press and the low opinion here on Era.
Well, it looks like Tom Hardy will get his sequel. And I hope they learn from mistakes and make a better movie as well. I do want them to succeed.
I'm actually going to try and watch it at some point, simply because I'm curious to see for myself.
Well, it looks like Tom Hardy will get his sequel. And I hope they learn from mistakes and make a better movie as well. I do want them to succeed.
I'm actually going to try and watch it at some point, simply because I'm curious to see for myself.
Disney doesn't want to end it. Feige has his plans. But now that Sony has a successful "franchise" they can make the deal more beneficial to Sony and try to make Disney pay a premium for it. They'll have to renegotiate after Far From Home. So it depends on how much Disney still wants it. If it's too ridiculous they could walk since remember they do have X-Men now. They can just focus on setting up them with the Avengers now.
The possibility of Disney not being able to renew the Spider-Man deal is extremely low but who knows with Sony. They can't be that stupid.
I'd say it's likely now. Sony knows they have a bankable IP in Venom that can outperform even the MCU - now they can push forward with Kraven/Morbius spinoffs.
It's not likely that they don't extend the deal. This simply isn't based in reality.
You honestly don't think Sony and Disney have been discussing the future behind the scenes for ages now? And that Marvel Studios decided to launch the entire post-Avengers 4 MCU with Spider-Man if they were unsure of the future?
They clearly have plans with Spider-Man in the future of the MCU and they wouldn't putting such an important focus on him if they were not very sure that the deal would be extended.
They make the movies. Sony makes money. Sony makes Venom movies and also makes money from that.
This is the absolute perfect setup for Sony who have had a string of smart business decisions lately (the Marvel Studios deal, a non-MCU Venom movie, rebooting Jumanji and I would say the upcoming Men in Black reboot will end up being a great decision as well).
There's nothing to worry about.
- Disney wants the license fully back, yes
- Disney has to pay Sony a percentage of the BO gross
- Sony can sell and transfer the rights
- Sony has 3 by 8 rights
- Sony has TV production rights
- Sony has rights to about 1000 characters and share rights with characters like Kingpin
- Disney does not make any money off the SM movies, only merch
- Leaked documents have shown SM classic merch sale is pretty consistent regardless of movies and movie sales spkike when a movie comes out regardless of quality
- I find it hard to believe Spiderman was really accretive to the BO gross of CW and IW whereas I think a better case can be made that Homecoming would have grossed a lot less without MS' involvement
This deal has arguably been way more beneficial to Sony than Disney in the short term, so yes, again, take out the fan in you, why would Disney want to resign without having Sony loosen their grip on the license?
And bare in mind, with a renegotiation it'll be a worse deal for Disney.
I wouldn't be against Sony making their own Spider-Man universe
I grew up watching the 90s Spider-Man on Fox so I would love a live action movie of that with king pin , venom , black cat etc
I grew up watching the 90s Spider-Man on Fox so I would love a live action movie of that with king pin , venom , black cat etc
Because they want Spider-Man in the MCU.
This isn't difficult.
The idea that Disney does not want to continue the deal with Sony is legitimately crazy. As I already stated, which you ignored, they are setting Spider-Man up to be very important to the future of the MCU after Avengers 4. They're not doing that if they secretly want to exit the deal.
Also, some of the stuff you're saying simply isn't true. Sony does not have TV production rights to Spider-Man. Disney does.
So your reason is.....because I'm a fan and want it. Got it.
Tell me the evidence that Spiderman is being set up to be the face of the MCU going forward.
According to the contract in 2011, Sony has TV production rights for anything over 44 mins (IIRC that's the time). I should have specified that part.
Yeah, we're done here. You're being disingenuous and putting words in my mouth.
Just got back from a sold-out showing of A Star is Born. Best film I've seen all year. Glad it's finding success.
Saw A Star is Born last night and it was very good. Bradley Cooper can sing. And Lady Gaga... wow.
I mean at the end of the day isn't Venom kind of the ceiling as far as the Sony Spidey Spinoffs go? He's certainly the most bankable one off.
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I thought that it would be much bigger earlier in the summer. But momentum dropped off in September, and reviews were terrible. Still, 80M is a good start. Better than Fox is going to manage for Dark Phoenix on twice the budget.
The Trump voters probably walked out when the movie started to talk about how climate change is going to kill us.
Absolutely. We'll have to see how it does in the coming weeks as well.
A Morbius movie will not do well and Silver & Black seems to be on hold indefinitely.
I don't think even Sony thinks that Venom puts them on solid enough ground to walk from the MCU deal. Venom is lightning in a bottle for the badness actually working as a selling point.
I could see Morbius being more of a micro budget film with very modest expectations.
Yeah, but Venom already has a low budget for what it is and I imagine shit like Morbius and Silver and Black will be well under 100m.
They should be fine as long as they keep everything low budget.
So we're getting a Carnage movie with an actor that was (natural) born to play the role, but it will be PG13. Guess Sony was right, Venom seems to have a lot of appeal with teens.Box Office Mojo said:
Hope we at least get directors cuts of the Venom movies that are closer to R rated versions.
The funny thing (unless they leverage Spider-verse more) is that Venom could end up being the glue of their weird quasi horror themed SMCU with Black Cat ending up being his 'MJ'.
I'd like to see a CG Hardy Venom end up in Spider-verse 2. Could that lead to a live action Miles? With Lord and Miller directing?
People say that Sony is limited in the Spider-Man-less Spider-Man universe... but how does Spider-verse work given that they have AU Spider people up the wazzoo and a Peter Parker (who seems to be at least referencing similar events to the Sam Riami universe).
R rating only would have worked with top tier production, Sony knew what they had. I feel like those who really wanted an R rated Venom or bust were the teenagers of the 90s who didn't end up growing out of the character.
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Venom as a franchise has and will continue to work fine, but for the VCU I can't imagine the rest hitting as hard.
Morbius' biggest spot was in the 1990s cartoon where he'd constantly say "Felllicia" with a Bela Lugosi affectation.
Past no one knowing of the character, Silk not being produced by Arad and being the first Asian-American led superhero movie could be interesting.
Silver and Black is in a weird spot and seemingly lost its director?
Anyway, if they continue to keep budgets to reasonable levels, it could all work out for them. Part of the original intent behind the Amazing Spider-Man movies was to keep a reasonable budget, after you saw SM3 hitting $250M. Clearly didn't pan out with both ASMs well north of $200M.
Morbius' biggest spot was in the 1990s cartoon where he'd constantly say "Felllicia" with a Bela Lugosi affectation.
Past no one knowing of the character, Silk not being produced by Arad and being the first Asian-American led superhero movie could be interesting.
Silver and Black is in a weird spot and seemingly lost its director?
Anyway, if they continue to keep budgets to reasonable levels, it could all work out for them. Part of the original intent behind the Amazing Spider-Man movies was to keep a reasonable budget, after you saw SM3 hitting $250M. Clearly didn't pan out with both ASMs well north of $200M.
Yeah theres no way those user scores are completely bollocks and manipulated lol
The audience seem to like it....
I think he is referring to feige saying Spider-Man will pick up 2 months after avengers 4 and will usher in the new era of marvel movies.
https://www.nme.com/news/film/marve...n-films-tom-holland-has-signed-up-for-2098838
The link also confirms that the deal ends with far from home unless the deal is/was extended.
Well, we were proven right Venom was gonna light up this thread regardless since the last few weeks after CRA have stunk.
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