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Platy

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Those licensed games are all great but this compilation is hardly invalidated without them, and getting them all on one collection would assuredly be harder than some people seem to think it'd be.

I am good in saying that it is IMPOSSIBLE to make a collection with the rest of the beat em ups.

MAYBE at the end of next year (since they will be owned by the same company then) you get a AvP+Punisher but no way you put the D&D and C&D games there
 

Sheng Long

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I cannot support this


I mean in a way it's a good deal but also a quick cash in. I do wonder what the licensing costs are for those missing titles. Frankly I cannot accept a capcom beat em up collection without the key defining games. Haven't played the D&D games, but C&D, Punisher, and AvP are more widely recognized and just better, more exciting entries than The King of Dragons, Knights of the Round, or Warriors of Fate 2.

It's also only $19.99 though
 

bulletyen

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Yeah, how much would Disney want for one of their licences, I mean, it can't be that expensive init, and they probably won't care about what's bundled with it.
And they'll probably give their licence away forever as well, as they always do, so the game cannot be pulled. They're such chill guys.
That wasn't a rhetorical question. I was genuinely wondering if capcom put effort into this or not. And if that licensing for these games would cost them a hand and a leg... or not. Yeah Disney is fickle and sensitive when it comes to anything, but stranger deals have happened. Hell they let Nomura run wild with their legacy movie properties. Like all of them. Sony made a Spidey game through Insomniac. So in this day and age nothing is impossible, especially some old ass arcade games.

Warriors of Fate/Tenchi wo Kurau 2 was a massive hit in Japan and is more popular than any other beat em up they put out, including all the licensed games and even Final Fight.

Those licensed games are all great but this compilation is hardly invalidated without them, and getting them all on one collection would assuredly be harder than some people seem to think it'd be.
That's fair. If it can get the genre some new fans and let people play some of their old favs it's great. I don't speak for anyone else but me when I say I'm not buying it. The missing games were some of my favs, and to me they define capcom beat em ups more than a few that are included. But like someone said, it's not a big deal, given it's 20 bucks for a whole lot of them.

Again, don't know how possible it is, but i would like a see a more complete collection some day.
 

Dambrosi

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I am good in saying that it is IMPOSSIBLE to make a collection with the rest of the beat em ups.

MAYBE at the end of next year (since they will be owned by the same company then) you get a AvP+Punisher but no way you put the D&D and C&D games there
In the case of D&D, why not? They brought out a collection of both games on multiple systems (even Wii U!) only a couple of years ago. I agree that C&D might be difficult, but not undoable, though the costs might be too high for it to be worth the effort.
 

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D&D is still available, at least on Steam. I hope everyone got it, since you never know when these things get delisted. Maybe we can get a similar AvP and punisher bundle at some point (and it will probably cost 15$ or more for two games).
C&D is hopeless, I think.
 

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That wasn't a rhetorical question. I was genuinely wondering if capcom put effort into this or not. And if that licensing for these games would cost them a hand and a leg... or not. Yeah Disney is fickle and sensitive when it comes to anything, but stranger deals have happened. Hell they let Nomura run wild with their legacy movie properties. Like all of them. Sony made a Spidey game through Insomniac. So in this day and age nothing is impossible, especially some old ass arcade games.

Of course it's not impossible. Is it feasible though? Probably not. Obtaining multiple licenses from multiple IP holders is a nightmare, doubly so if you actually want to sell the product for more than a year or two. Capcom was smart to bundle all of their own beat 'em up IP into a single package. If they want to negotiate with Disney and other IP holders for a separate collection that will only be sold for a few years (instead of forever, like this collection), they should go that route. Putting everything in one package would have been very stupid from both a business and preservation standpoint.
 

Ninjadom

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Not sure if mentioned earlier but for anybody interested in owning this physically it comes out on Japan on December 6th, package version.
 

Tizoc

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Can we expect an extra discount, even a small one due to the delay ;)

Btw cohld u please pass on a few things?
Some people are experiencing problems with megaman 11 pc in that it gets stuck loadong the game after launching or doesnt even launch at all.

Also any chamce for an update to the collection to have scanline option please?
 

Psamtik

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C&D is licensing on top of licensing, so I can't imagine it'll ever come back. It'd be one thing to license the comic, but entirely another to work out the necessary deal with General Motors.
 
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WBacon, I really have to say the way the PC launch is being handled is absolutely disgusting.
First you announced it to launch at the same time as every other platform, only to delay it pretty much at the last minute, with no updates since then, no information about what caused the delay, and what the expected release date was, just a Steam page saying coming soon for weeks. It's simply not acceptable, and almost insulting.

You surely wouldn't pull this crap on consoles, yet apparently when it comes to PC, since there isn't a platform holder, it's apparently OK to treat your customers like crap, and keep them in the dark.
 

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The release of this on Steam annoys me as much as the release of Resonance of Fate / End of Eternity. The later just had its page created recently, less than two weeks before the game releases.

I guess Capcom and Sega are trying to break my nasty habit of preordering stuff I won't have time to play anyway.
 

SoH

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WBacon, I really have to say the way the PC launch is being handled is absolutely disgusting.
First you announced it to launch at the same time as every other platform, only to delay it pretty much at the last minute, with no updates since then, no information about what caused the delay, and what the expected release date was, just a Steam page saying coming soon for weeks. It's simply not acceptable, and almost insulting.

You surely wouldn't pull this crap on consoles, yet apparently when it comes to PC, since there isn't a platform holder, it's apparently OK to treat your customers like crap, and keep them in the dark.
Absolutely disgusted and insulted doesn't square with your list of complaints. This sort of posting is only going to accomplish community managers not wanting to engage with people here. Surely you can find a less hyperbolically charged way to state your disappointment with Capcom's communication. I get a delay can be frustrating but dragging some platform warrior stuff in is just fucking weird.
 

Saikyo

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Its going to be the same price and they are taking their time to implement denuvo, another one to steam sales...
 

Syril

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WBacon, I really have to say the way the PC launch is being handled is absolutely disgusting.
First you announced it to launch at the same time as every other platform, only to delay it pretty much at the last minute, with no updates since then, no information about what caused the delay, and what the expected release date was, just a Steam page saying coming soon for weeks. It's simply not acceptable, and almost insulting.

You surely wouldn't pull this crap on consoles, yet apparently when it comes to PC, since there isn't a platform holder, it's apparently OK to treat your customers like crap, and keep them in the dark.
It's literally a personal attack on you.
 

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WBacon, I really have to say the way the PC launch is being handled is absolutely disgusting.
First you announced it to launch at the same time as every other platform, only to delay it pretty much at the last minute, with no updates since then, no information about what caused the delay, and what the expected release date was, just a Steam page saying coming soon for weeks. It's simply not acceptable, and almost insulting.

You surely wouldn't pull this crap on consoles, yet apparently when it comes to PC, since there isn't a platform holder, it's apparently OK to treat your customers like crap, and keep them in the dark.

Learn to to air your grievances in a better fashion, please.

There's nothing "disgusting" about this. The game was announced five days before launch. You didn't even know about it a month ago.
 

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WBacon, I really have to say the way the PC launch is being handled is absolutely disgusting.
First you announced it to launch at the same time as every other platform, only to delay it pretty much at the last minute, with no updates since then, no information about what caused the delay, and what the expected release date was, just a Steam page saying coming soon for weeks. It's simply not acceptable, and almost insulting.

You surely wouldn't pull this crap on consoles, yet apparently when it comes to PC, since there isn't a platform holder, it's apparently OK to treat your customers like crap, and keep them in the dark.

I'm sorry but publishing a PC version (of niche Japanese titles) so soon after console release is quite a new, and fantastic phenomenon.

You should be happy that it is coming. Don't you remember what the Japanese Steam publishing scene was like two years ago?
 

ElBoxy

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That wasn't a rhetorical question. I was genuinely wondering if capcom put effort into this or not. And if that licensing for these games would cost them a hand and a leg... or not. Yeah Disney is fickle and sensitive when it comes to anything, but stranger deals have happened. Hell they let Nomura run wild with their legacy movie properties. Like all of them. Sony made a Spidey game through Insomniac. So in this day and age nothing is impossible, especially some old ass arcade games.
We don't know the state of Capcom's relationship to Disney post MvCI. Our guess is it's not good.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Learn to to air your grievances in a better fashion, please.

There's nothing "disgusting" about this. The game was announced five days before launch. You didn't even know about it a month ago.
Do I know you? You can stop with your lecturing, I don't take any manner lessons from a random internet forum poster.

My comment was addressed to a single person, who is a Capcom representative.
Unlike what you, and a few other posters appear to think, feedback can be both positive and negative.
Apparently, I can only address a representative to pat him in the back, and compliment him and his company, and I can't post negative feedback, even when the company he works for did a very poor job handling things.
I should add my criticism was for Capcom, not to WBacon personally, so I'm not sure why some felt to need to come in their defence.

Also, and to address a few other comments, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect parity in treatment, and communications, between platforms.
I was not asking for preferential treatment for the platform I happen to own, I was asking for parity in treatment. In fact, not even that. I was asking that, instead of keeping PC users in the dark, they would update us in regards to the release date. Apparently, that is "platform warrior stuff".
It's been a few weeks, and Capcom posted plenty of promotional info and materials in regards to the other versions, and not once posted any info regarding the PC version.

It's very clearly unreasonable to ask for a company to say something like: this release, which we delayed at the last minute, will be out in a couple of weeks, or in a month.
On the other hand, if I came here to post something like "This would be perfect for Switch", "I would totally buy this for the Switch", or make the 100th topic about the sales of a game on the Switch, compared to other platforms, it would be totally fine. But because I dared to be upset with the way a company handled yet another of their PC releases, I get lectured, or told I should be grateful to have Japanese games on my platform at all, since it's a new thing.
 

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Do I know you? You can stop with your lecturing, I don't take any manner lessons from a random internet forum poster.

My comment was addressed to a single person, who is a Capcom representative.
Unlike what you, and a few other posters appear to think, feedback can be both positive and negative.
Apparently, I can only address a representative to pat him in the back, and compliment him and his company, and I can't post negative feedback, even when the company he works for did a very poor job handling things.
I should add my criticism was for Capcom, not to WBacon personally, so I'm not sure why some felt to need to come in their defence.

Also, and to address a few other comments, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect parity in treatment, and communications, between platforms.
I was not asking for preferential treatment for the platform I happen to own, I was asking for parity in treatment. In fact, not even that. I was asking that, instead of keeping PC users in the dark, they would update us in regards to the release date. Apparently, that is "platform warrior stuff".
It's been a few weeks, and Capcom posted plenty of promotional info and materials in regards to the other versions, and not once posted any info regarding the PC version.

It's very clearly unreasonable to ask for a company to say something like: this release, which we delayed at the last minute, will be out in a couple of weeks, or in a month.
On the other hand, if I came here to post something like "This would be perfect for Switch", "I would totally buy this for the Switch", or make the 100th topic about the sales a game on the Switch, compared to other platforms, it would be totally fine. But because I dare to be upset with the way a company handled yet another of their PC releases, I get lectured, or told I should be grateful to have Japanese games on my platform, since it's a new thing.

You targeting community managers with this entitled crap is awful.
 

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Loving this game bundle so much. Hope they keep doing these. Man it really shows the pricing model difference when you see the other eshop single titles selling for 7 or 8.
Heaven help me if konami follows suit with a turtles bundle or marvel bundle...
 

leder

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Do I know you? You can stop with your lecturing, I don't take any manner lessons from a random internet forum poster.

My comment was addressed to a single person, who is a Capcom representative.
Unlike what you, and a few other posters appear to think, feedback can be both positive and negative.
Apparently, I can only address a representative to pat him in the back, and compliment him and his company, and I can't post negative feedback, even when the company he works for did a very poor job handling things.
I should add my criticism was for Capcom, not to WBacon personally, so I'm not sure why some felt to need to come in their defence.

Also, and to address a few other comments, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect parity in treatment, and communications, between platforms.
I was not asking for preferential treatment for the platform I happen to own, I was asking for parity in treatment. In fact, not even that. I was asking that, instead of keeping PC users in the dark, they would update us in regards to the release date. Apparently, that is "platform warrior stuff".
It's been a few weeks, and Capcom posted plenty of promotional info and materials in regards to the other versions, and not once posted any info regarding the PC version.

It's very clearly unreasonable to ask for a company to say something like: this release, which we delayed at the last minute, will be out in a couple of weeks, or in a month.
On the other hand, if I came here to post something like "This would be perfect for Switch", "I would totally buy this for the Switch", or make the 100th topic about the sales of a game on the Switch, compared to other platforms, it would be totally fine. But because I dared to be upset with the way a company handled yet another of their PC releases, I get lectured, or told I should be grateful to have Japanese games on my platform at all, since it's a new thing.
I don't know the reason for the delay, but given that the delay was seemingly last minute, it's likely that they came up against some unknown technical issue and didn't know when it would be resolved. As someone who works in tech, the absolute WORST thing that support engineers can do is give the customers a date prematurely. That ends up being wrong.
 
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Do I know you? You can stop with your lecturing, I don't take any manner lessons from a random internet forum poster.

My comment was addressed to a single person, who is a Capcom representative.
Unlike what you, and a few other posters appear to think, feedback can be both positive and negative.
Apparently, I can only address a representative to pat him in the back, and compliment him and his company, and I can't post negative feedback, even when the company he works for did a very poor job handling things.
I should add my criticism was for Capcom, not to WBacon personally, so I'm not sure why some felt to need to come in their defence.

Also, and to address a few other comments, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect parity in treatment, and communications, between platforms.
I was not asking for preferential treatment for the platform I happen to own, I was asking for parity in treatment. In fact, not even that. I was asking that, instead of keeping PC users in the dark, they would update us in regards to the release date. Apparently, that is "platform warrior stuff".
It's been a few weeks, and Capcom posted plenty of promotional info and materials in regards to the other versions, and not once posted any info regarding the PC version.

It's very clearly unreasonable to ask for a company to say something like: this release, which we delayed at the last minute, will be out in a couple of weeks, or in a month.
On the other hand, if I came here to post something like "This would be perfect for Switch", "I would totally buy this for the Switch", or make the 100th topic about the sales of a game on the Switch, compared to other platforms, it would be totally fine. But because I dared to be upset with the way a company handled yet another of their PC releases, I get lectured, or told I should be grateful to have Japanese games on my platform at all, since it's a new thing.

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Tizoc

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Loving this game bundle so much. Hope they keep doing these. Man it really shows the pricing model difference when you see the other eshop single titles selling for 7 or 8.
Heaven help me if konami follows suit with a turtles bundle or marvel bundle...
Call me a blind optimist but with battletoads likely being ahown in the upxoming november event i am hoping for a tmnt beat em.up bundle being announced too xp
 

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Call me a blind optimist but with battletoads likely being ahown in the upxoming november event i am hoping for a tmnt beat em.up bundle being announced too xp
That's be great. Interesting thing is that there are 2 completely different turtles 3 console titles. One was turtles in time but the other was an nes exclusive called the Manhattan project. Entirely different assets, bosses stages etc. I'd hope to see the nes one finally remembered if there was a bundle. Include both since so many missed that gem.
 

rawhide

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That's be great. Interesting thing is that there are 2 completely different turtles 3 console titles. One was turtles in time but the other was an nes exclusive called the Manhattan project. Entirely different assets, bosses stages etc. I'd hope to see the nes one finally remembered if there was a bundle. Include both since so many missed that gem.

The SNES version of Turtles in Time was sold as TMNT4--there's a big IV on the box, the title screen, etc, it's kinda hard to miss:

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You might be confusing it with Tournament Fighters, which was released on SNES, Genesis and NES with each version being a completely different game.
 

Tizoc

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That's be great. Interesting thing is that there are 2 completely different turtles 3 console titles. One was turtles in time but the other was an nes exclusive called the Manhattan project. Entirely different assets, bosses stages etc. I'd hope to see the nes one finally remembered if there was a bundle. Include both since so many missed that gem.
If we exclude the original NES TMNT which was more of an Action Adventure game, you've got:
8-bit era
TMNT The Arcade game
TMNT 3

16-bit consoles
TMNT IV SNES
TMNT Hyperstone Heist
TMNT 4 Arcade
TMNT Arcade

A collection of at least 6 beat'em-up games (I might've forgotten one or two, so please correct me if I did)

This leaves only-
The 3 Gameboy TMNT games
All 3 versions of TMNT Tourney Fighters
TMNT 1 NES

Honestly if somehow we got a compilation of at least the first 6 games I mentioned, I'd gladly get it for $25-30 (Gotta factor licensing).
 

synic

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For those wanting the high-end Belta Action Bundle Nin-Nin.com has them back for preorder for PS4. (I finally took the plunge.)
 

leder

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Been going back and forth between FF on this collection and double impact. Am I crazy, or does the AI behave differently in each? For one, Hugo always bodyslams me after I'm knocked down in the collection, but lays off in DI.
 
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The SNES version of Turtles in Time was sold as TMNT4--there's a big IV on the box, the title screen, etc, it's kinda hard to miss:

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Oddly enough, in Japan Turtles in Time was considered the third in the series because the original NES game used a different branding and The Arcade Game was the first released under the TMNT name. The Manhattan Project even had a "2" in the Japanese title, though Turtles in Time was released unnumbered.
 

shadowman16

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I've never noticed the input lag myself. I guess its gotta get really bad before I notice it. I played through the X Collection on both PS4 and Switch and never noticed it, only time I've noticed it is in the Switch collection of Mega Man Collection 1. And even then I just adapted and managed to tune it out pretty quick.
 

dlauv

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I have a question. In every single version of Final Fight I've played, enemies weren't this aggressive. Double Impact is the one I'm most familiar with. In the Beat 'Em Up Collection, I played JP for the hell of it. Is this a regional difference? Sometimes I can't even get up because they attack me immediately, and they take so much damage.
 

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I'm hoping that the physical JP release comes with an update for screen sizes and better netcode. Kind of a shame how this collection turned out after the incredible JP PS3 Dungeons and Dragons Mystara Collection.

Is it known for sure whether or not the games in the collection are emulation or ports? Capcom even bothering to update the year in the copyright info in each game's respective title screen makes me think port.
 

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I'm hoping that the physical JP release comes with an update for screen sizes and better netcode. Kind of a shame how this collection turned out after the incredible JP PS3 Dungeons and Dragons Mystara Collection.

Is it known for sure whether or not the games in the collection are emulation or ports? Capcom even bothering to update the year in the copyright info in each game's respective title screen makes me think port.

All reviews i have read tell it's emulation, but fine tuned to have maximum accuracy per game.
I cannot say until i played the thing, i have had several of these games on my combo AV at a time or another, it's an easy tell when there's something odd going on xD
Copyright Year is one of the easiest hack you could make.
 

The Omega Man

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Oh wow nice! the game must be selling well enough for Capcom to be motivated to add these. Now announce the Capcom Beat'em up Bundle 2 with the usual suspects!
 

shadowman16

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Good stuff. Nice to see it getting an update. I need to get back to the game, I've been glued to MM11 all month.