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Anandtech: Apple A12 “nearly 2x performance” all all Android SoC; margins off fastest desktop CPUs
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Got it. That's impressive. Qualcomm continues to be a horrible parts provider.
I don't think they're horrible. They're not horrible on their flagship SoC and the modems are the best in the business. If they were horrible vendors MediaTek and Rockchip would eat their lunch but since MT and Rockchip are garbage they don't.
Also, Qualcomm have their customers pulling them in 18 different directions. Some want better overall energy efficiency, some want a faster GPU, some others want a better ISP. Apple on the other hand know their priorities, what they can achieve, and they build it to do exactly that.
The question remains is what are they really doing with all that power?
As impressive as it is, the featureset is pretty much comparable to any other Android device.
They aren't really taking advantage of it, and battery life isn't out of this world that it reflects a 3x perf/w
As impressive as it is, the featureset is pretty much comparable to any other Android device.
They aren't really taking advantage of it, and battery life isn't out of this world that it reflects a 3x perf/w
The faster you can ramp up, the faster you can do a task, the faster you can get results back and as much of the system as possible into sleep mode the better battery life you'll have. The CPU doesn't draw that much power compared to the screen and radio which suck it down. If you get a user what they want faster they power down everything else (including that power sucking screen) faster.
Unless you're sitting there playing Dragalia Lost all day, most day to day phone usage involves burst and getting those tasks done ASAP.
Can't even run 32 bit applications though. Only can withstand the performance for a few minutes in that form factor. Zero legacy support but it can run JavaScript like a bat outta hell.
I wish they'd do something worthwhile with the tech. Scale it up to desktop and server scale. Maybe Trump should outlaw cell phones for everyone but himself or something.
I wish they'd do something worthwhile with the tech. Scale it up to desktop and server scale. Maybe Trump should outlaw cell phones for everyone but himself or something.
Absolutely. Race to idle is a valid way of tackling bursty loads.
However, that isn't especially reflected via a vis the competition. Batteries in iPhones aren't of significantly smaller capacities. As you note, it gets to the point where other components dominate, like screen and radio.
4000mAh in the Samsungs vs 3100 on the XS Max? They're over 20% smaller.
Their modems are the best because of their patents, their flagships SoCs are subpar compared to Apple's, their smartwatch SoC are also not good. As you can see, when compared with an equally resourceful competitor they don't come out on top.
Apple killing it again. I'm really excited to see where they take this tech, and how long they'll keep phones with 3+ gb of Ram updated while running smooth. (I'm aware of the great work they did on iOS 12).
From my limited experience with Android devices, if you have a flagship phone they run pretty well.
From my limited experience with Android devices, if you have a flagship phone they run pretty well.
At 3x efficiency. One also has to take into account the typical load, background processes etc.
Though I will point out that the latest exynos is an utter hog of a SoC.
I'm completely serious here, what kind of software requires phones to be this powerful?
I use my phone to browse the internet and communicate only, for everything else I use desktop and laptop PCs.
Always kinda wondered this when I read these thread titles.
I use my phone to browse the internet and communicate only, for everything else I use desktop and laptop PCs.
Always kinda wondered this when I read these thread titles.
If you're not gaming on the phone what difference does it make unless you plan to keep it for over 3 years? I always read about how powerful the iPhone chips are but what genuine day to day advantage is there to them? iOS can't even multitask properly like an Android phone so what is the power actually used for? I'm genuinely curious and would love for someone much smarter to educate me here since I don't really know.
Feels like it's a bigger deal for iPad use rather than the phones.
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Apple doesn't manufacture their own chips so whatever tech they are using is out there for others to use. And even if it's as good as they say it is, you can get a rooted Android phone and overclock the CPU to get a comparable performance.
Real world use trounces benchmarks and there is no way to be certain due to the closed nature of iOS that Apple isn't doing something fishy to inflate their benchmark scores like Samsung and other manufacturers have done before.
Real world use trounces benchmarks and there is no way to be certain due to the closed nature of iOS that Apple isn't doing something fishy to inflate their benchmark scores like Samsung and other manufacturers have done before.
Despite what people think is casual use, AR, games, animojies, etc all use significant resources and having more power means those things are snappy and quick which feels good. People don't tolerate any lag in their phones.
On a desktop, doing some computation that takes 2 seconds vs 100ms might not matter if it's a one time thing, but on the phone that's huge.
Clickbait article. The A12 is a 3W mobile CPU, it does not and will never outperform "the fastest desktop CPUs".
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Yet the OnePlus 6, a phone that came out nearly 6 months ago for HALF the price of an iPhone XS, goes neck-and-neck with Apple's latest in real world use.
Y'all Apple fanatics are insufferable sometimes.
I guess I just don't get why someone who cares about performance (as others like Ambition have put it) would use a phone for AR or games, for example.
And maybe I'm wrong, but I doubt that animojies (I don't really use those) require what this new apple product offers.
If it's really casual use, then I don't see the point in investing this much money. Idk.
I mean, nobody said the people he complained about where upset.
It is pretty damn stupid to post salt shakers and call people who prefer android "broke bois", though. And surprising to me, I thought console war type stuff wasn't allowed here, this seems to be the same thing in another flavor.
That would only be feasible for applications properly usable in a (rather small) mobile environment though, right?
Personally, I'm not sure the concept is for me. Like, as an example, I got like 10-20 tabs open on PC at a time, usually 2-3 word documents and then probably some pdfs. Having all that on my phone seems like a hassle.
But I'm sure some people will love it for everyday use.
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Performance is awesome, but, as others have said, they don't allow you to do much. I run multiple apps on my phone every day, and a remote desktop access that runs in the background, too while that is going on, too.
If only they could port stock Android to A12 chips. Now that would be amazing. :P
If only they could port stock Android to A12 chips. Now that would be amazing. :P
I think if that were to happen Apple might implement some sort of x86 emulation support at the hardware level. Maybe it won't be able to natively boot to a x86 OS but it should be usable for virtualization.
I'm sure things like Parallels will have support. Just doubt we'll get anything like Boot camp, using all the power that comes with these chips.
Love my iPad Air 2 but the battery is a bit worn and it's a little slow for some games after 4 years of heavy use. Kind of excited to see what they do with the new iPad. Hopefully it's a very thin bezel instead of a notch and can do Face ID in landscape.
A notch makes much less sense on a tablet vs a phone (though I don't think the notch makes much sense at all). On a phone you use the thing vertical most of the time so the battery and alerts can be in the top area on the side of the notch. On a tablet I would guess it more of a mix of vertical and horizontal, which would mean the notch would be on the side a lot of the time.
Yet Samsungs die in like five-six hours with shitty standby battery usage?
It's not how they perform in the first year. All phones perform fast when they are new. Wait 3 years and compare how that OnePlus 6 performs in the latest Android vs the iPhone Xs Max in the latest iOS. Android phones do not age well and always end up with some annoying issues.
This has been the case in the mobile CPU arena for years now...
The iPad is the future of mainstream computing, and the video and music production work you can already do on one is incredible. If I wasn't an old fart with 20 years of habits from making music on a Mac all that time, I could see using the iPad as my primary production tool.
I mean, most people just use computers for internet browsing, so I guess you could say its the future of mainstream computing. Though if you need to do actual work, well depending on what you need to do, IOS isn't really up to the task. Though it would be nice if they put mac os on an ipad for a device like the surface pro.
http://uk.businessinsider.com/apple...es-slowed-down-and-why-its-a-big-deal-2017-12
Oh how quickly people forget.
I don't think Apple sees it as a very viable industry with tons of longevity... because it isn't.