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You still aren't answering the question.
Nor is that what I have said.
Answer the question, you defender of centrist scum.
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Senate procedural vote on Kavanaugh set for 10:30am ET (10/5)
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You still aren't answering the question.
Nor is that what I have said.
Answer the question, you defender of centrist scum.
Well what is your solution? just giving up those places? How does that make sense?
Until you add more states, you need to win the ones you have. The ones where there's not a gigantic bloc of black voters you can activate and energize. The ones where Dems lost Obama->Trump voters because those populist (econ liberal, socially conservative) voters were attracted to explicitly racist messaging.
If your solution is to write off every place that voted for Trump, we are only contesting 40/100 seats.
There was literally nothing that could have been done to stop this. The FBI investigation gave republicans the cover they wanted. Dems demanded that same FBI investigation, for accusations that have no corroborating witnesses or evidence. What do you expect?
This was in the works since election day, 2016. Guess what, elections have consequences.
1. Gay marriage has a possibility of being overturned.
2. climate change is something this entire administration is actively working against, rather than laughing at it.
3. The DOJ is still pursuing states who legalized marijuana.
4. Still a divisive issue
5. Gets laughed at and yet still have pull on policy
At this point a pile of shit looks better than any GOP..
I'd rather have a grifter that fights for good than that degenerate in the white house now. His message is always on point and resonates with me far more than most Democrats.
My 2018 Dems for statewide race say they're for Marijuana reform(I got Walz instead of the fiercer advocate Erin Murphy however). I don't know what you're talking about.
Are you blind? The answer is in what you just quoted. I don't care if you don't like the answer.
Those states don't have anything for people to move to them for. They're dead states, they offer nothing in terms of employment opportunities or advancement, and at best you'll be living among people who hate you, at worst you could be living alongside people who actively want to kill you.
You're essentially asking people to throw their lives away just to cancel out a racist old asshole's vote.
I fell sorry for all the people who will suffer from that. First a rapist as a president, then a rapist as a supreme court justice, both with the goal of targeting the women, the minorities and the poors. Just depressing...
Also a thought for the women who came forward.
Also a thought for the women who came forward.
You aren't answering the actual fucking question. Are you fucking blind?
Exactly. Taking the moral victory at the cost of losing the battle, especially in regards to issues on basic decent human rights to minorities and women, is fucking unacceptable.
The most left leaning person you can conjure in your imagination holding the West Virginia seat would've vote against confirmation, had Pence break the tie, and been voted out of office in November. Nothing about this particular situation would have changed.
Manchin would've voted no if he was the tiebreaking vote. He wasn't.
True, unless it's Manchin. Fuck him.
If Warren or Bernie don't make it, Avenatti's got my vote. Also, Schumer has got to go. He's so ineffectual. We need someone who can fight.
Between the structure of the Senate and the electoral college system, fly-over states have too much representation. Have to deal with that somehow.
I think so. Yes.
The last thing I want to hear from these fuckers is that we need Joe Manchin's non-existent support more than ever, otherwise we're giving more power to republicans.
No, no he wouldn't have. He is a conservative, plain and simple.
Why is this hard to understand?
They don't for his getting on the ballot, but they do in pushing him now.
The party is by no means perfect but it isn't shying away from its progressive candidates.
If the people want a hyper partisan with an agenda and vices that make him susceptible to blackmail in the highest court, then the people are wrong and it is the responsibility of our leaders to do what's right.
You asked what centrism has gotten us. The answer, or an answer, is a democratic senator in West Virginia. Or any democrat in any red state or district.
I'm sorry that upsets you but it doesn't change facts.
No what I am saying is there are some places that you have to fight in different ways, Putting someone far left is great where you can but cannot and will not win in some places by doing that. There needs to a be a mixture otherwise your losing for some bullshit purity which makes even less sense.
Exactly
You aren't answering the question. Answer it. Are you going as Kavanaugh for Halloween or something? You keep dodging everything.
You are correct. My point was the outrage we're seeing as a result of their moves was unthinkable 20 years ago.
This was arguably in the works before election day in 2016. Obama's pick didn't even get a hearing. Mitch told Obama this news to his face.
That's a wonderful thought but we need to get democrats elected.
Because you're wrong and don't understand that Manchin's Yes vote is pure political theatre. It's virtue signalling to the audience of deplorables that is the WV electorate.
He has never been the deciding vote on a Democratic loss in the Senate in 2017/2018.
Manchin gets voted in by Republicans. Only 36% of West Virginians lean Democrat. The party knows this and know if he gets primaried and they support a progressive candidate then his seat is gone. Once he retires, his seat is gone either way if WV continues to trend to the right.
if dems dont win next month you have carte blanche to bully whoever the hell you want
for real
it's absolutely infuriating to see dems not running an active campaign to completely discredit the government and allow what needs to happen. they talk zero trash and I never see any of them saying shit in the new or talking about how corrupt the GOP is or anything. they just do the who "when they go low we go high" bullshit and get shit on and look meek. I'm not expecting them to be able to do anything literally in the government but their entire communication with the public has been awful except for that one guy running for the senate in texas. why isn't he calling cruz a serial killer though? if the institutions are weakened so be it. we are at this phase for the time being and it's the way forward until trust is regained.
I'm calling it now. republicans keep control of the house and senate.
It has nothing to do with "old white men." Look at Bernie. A champion on progressive issues! I agree the old guard morons need to get the way out but Bernie is not in that boat. He may be old. He may be white. But he is right on the issues. Yet Dems, so far based on polls, are willing to do down the same ole road with Biden. He is not the answer.
You are mistaken. As far as his vote in a different context. He holds blue dog conservative positions, yes.
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Is there something wrong with you? Is it nap time? I am answering your question.
Totally agree. Schumer is a milquetoast dud. I think I might prefer Avenatti over Warren, but beyond that I'd pretty much vote for an inanimate object if that's what the DNC nominates. As long as it's a fucking D. And excluding Manchin.
Answer. The. Question. Enough with your condescending centrist snark.
Neither is Bernie, Bernie will lose and would have lost in 2016. They need to run someone bernie like but better.
I totally agree. I think people are giving him too much credit.
If Joe Manchin's goal in voting for Kavanaugh is to protect his seat, and people here defending him agree that it was the right thing to do because we really need someone who votes with dems in West Virginia (40% of the time). Then clearly he was never going to vote No. Since, by that same logic it would have always hurt him.
Are you addressing me? Part of the post I was responding to was the statement the Dems aren't running minority candidates. There was no progressive qualification there. However, I specifically pointed to those three because they are more progressive than the norm from my understanding.
So no, not amazing or the only takeaway.
Centrism gives us democrats in red states and districts. Do you want a bigger font? Maybe a different color?
For all people whine about Pelosi, she usually cracks the whip.
Schumer can't crack shit.