Well. To be fair everyone is partially responsible. Multi national corporations bribe our politicians to do this.
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Senate procedural vote on Kavanaugh set for 10:30am ET (10/5)
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Well. To be fair everyone is partially responsible. Multi national corporations bribe our politicians to do this.
Well depending on what she says.
Call it what you want.
Plus if he does get confirmed, any moderate or leftist SCOTUS member.. it is going to be hell to work with kavanaugh. I am sure it is going to make their lives miserable enough that some might just leave sooner than they planned.
"with slouched posture and a drooped, conquered head, Merkowski listens intently to the votes being called out, tears of resentment at the political vice for which she finds herself pinched running down her indecisive cheeks. But just as she had given up hope of escape, the gentle flutter of two aye's fill her ears. she recognizes their sources instantly, and with a new sense of determination and purpose rises to her battle worn feet to let out a William Wallace sized "NAY". And after a moment of startled silence the room erupts into applause as her fellow senators carry her out atop a parade of cheers and celebration"
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Why do people care so much about this fucking non-story? They'll just hold the vote open for him when they need to. The whole thing is bizarre. Once (if) they have the votes, a 12 hour delay for someone to get on an airplane isn't changing anything.
The GOP has shown their hand for the last two years. I can't fault anyone for being cynical regarding this nomination.
There is an old saying, if it walks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck then it's probably a duck. People putting faith in Flake or Collins or Manchin when those people have already shown who they are is foolish.
I think energy would better be spent campaigning to ensure the right people get in office after midterms and doing everything possible to get these clowns out of office.
There is an old saying, if it walks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck then it's probably a duck. People putting faith in Flake or Collins or Manchin when those people have already shown who they are is foolish.
I think energy would better be spent campaigning to ensure the right people get in office after midterms and doing everything possible to get these clowns out of office.
I realize this thought may not be popular here but is anyone else thinking about the ramifications of Kavanaugh not making it onto the Supreme Court, and how it will further vindicate the right to show up to the polls come November?
Maybe I don't have enough faith in the Blue Wave, but we're looking far more vulnerable than the Republicans in the upper house.
Maybe I don't have enough faith in the Blue Wave, but we're looking far more vulnerable than the Republicans in the upper house.
Voting no in cloture means they can keep having infinite votes for the confirmation. If you vote yes for cloture they get to have a final vote and end the whole procedure if they vote no there.
The ramifications of him being on the Supreme Court are worse.
Look I'm optimistic about the vote.
But guess what? Even if Kavanaugh gets confirmed, I'll still be optimistic because what's the use in being pessimistic? What do I or anyone gain by being defeatist? Exactly nothing. If he gets confirmed its time to protest, rally, but most importantly, vote.
Yeah, nothing wrong with crossing our fingers but I think we all know how this confirmation plays out in the end.
I just want some sort of McCain ACA repeal upset. That would be amazing.
Wait this isn't parody? Lol
Also, just so I'm clear, only one GOPer needs to vote no assuming all Dems do as well in order to sink it, right? Because one Senator is going to be absent?
being optimistic and having faith are two separate things. saying "we are fucked he's 100% getting in" is different from mere pessimism and is absolute defeatist. you're not smarter than others or more realistic or any other excuse you have for giving up and deserve the ridicule
for instance I can stay optimistic about this and move forward and change my "call your senator/representative" game plan depending on if he gets in or not. not shit posting about the sky falling
Yep
for instance I can stay optimistic about this and move forward and change my "call your senator/representative" game plan depending on if he gets in or not. not shit posting about the sky falling
Yep
the GOP isnt stupid enough to lose a guaranteed Yes vote over timing. They'll work around it to make that vote available to them
They can delay that vote long enough for the senator to get there. We can not in any way count on their absence. We essentially need two additional no votes. The only hope is, if Murkowski keeps to no, that two of Collins / Flake / Manchin flip
Ah, okay. So wee need two no votes as long as Manchin also votes no. Fingers fucking crossed.
I'm not so sure. Naturally the Republicans will pick a conservative who's far more right leaning than even Kavanaugh (yes, it's possible to be) and we'd be in an even worse position.
It really does make you wonder what things would have been like if Twitter, Facebook, etc., etc. we're around for the OJ trial.
I have zero faith in Collins. I just hope she loses her seat in 2020 if she votes yes. These politicians don't give a damn as long as they see no repercussions for their actions.
I'd rather have a mere conservative than someone who thinks the potus is above the law
Yeah, so it would end with him getting confirmed with a tie.
Manchin is a Democrat.
Kavanaugh was blaming his problems on a conspiracy theory pointing at the Clintons. Who on earth could be more right wing from the picks they currently have?
Obviously possible, but that's a very high ask. Of all the potential nominees Kavanaugh is the only one to openly say that Trump shouldn't be impeached even if he's guilty. A hypothetical "worse Kavanaugh" is just that, especially with midterms a month away.
But imagine all the interns and female law clerks him and Thomas can harass?
Uhh, yeah you're right.
I'd just amend that to say "...thinks a Republican President is above the law."
I still think my original point stands though, we're going to lose more seats in the Senate - and this isn't helping the Democratic cause.
Got it. NBC also clarified that this is basically the vote for approval of procedure observed and not approval of substance of candidate.
Probably far more chaotic and savage considering the era, involving a recovery process in the aftermath. It was bad enough just in person, the shit I would hear.
Are you serious.
Did you tell Collins and Manchin to vote Yes then change your mind without telling them first?
Hoping for the best, expecting the worst. Having Murkowski state her intentions is undeniably a good thing--and doing it at the cloture stage is pretty hardcore. If Collins or Flake go no, then Manchin will too.
And what happened to that Colorado dude who supposedly became undecided?
And what happened to that Colorado dude who supposedly became undecided?
Iirc his office immediately came out and said he supported Kav. Not sure where that reporting came from.
