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Oct 27, 2017
4,770
Like I realized they were all fetch quests, but I enjoyed the characters in the actual missions. Most standout one for me was the brothers fighting over the ring in Origins. It helps the gameplay was fun too.

The characters and story are a lot better in Odyssey, so I definitely think you'll have a great time with. Also the abilities are fun and really enhance combat.
 

Deleted member 2172

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Oct 25, 2017
4,577
Its frankly worse since it's a completely singleplayer game.
this is some backwards shit if i've ever seen it.
multiplayer mtx's that can potentially affect other non-paying players isn't as bad the single-player mtx's that affect no one but the paying user lmfaooooooo
What's wrong with just wanting to do the main story? I used to be able to do that with AC games, now I can't unless I buy this $10 cheat code.
$10 cheat code hahaha outrage culture is real as fuck when it comes to AC
So if you do the side missions, as the game intends, you're fine?
Yes, exactly. I love that you added in the 'as intended' part. People spend $60 on a video game ready to be engrossed in this massive Odyssey across Gre- wait no BEELINE THROUGH THE CAMPAIGN AND WE'RE DONE HERE PLEASE
So what? I don't have the time nor the desire to put 50+ hours into a AC game, I just want to play the main story like I used to be able to and do side quests because I want to, not because my progress through the main story has been gated.
"man, I really like the look of Witcher 3 but I don't have time nor desire to spend 40+ hours going through the main story"
Don't buy the fucking 50+ hour RPG then jesus christ.
 

StarsTurnCold

Avenger
Apr 30, 2018
654
I dont get why people defend this even if you dont need it to enjoy the game. it'll just lead to them eventually if not already artificially increase the grind with this game or the next game and make you spend more money or ruin the experience. This shouldn't be tolerated in any paid game
 

N7_Kovalski

Member
Oct 28, 2017
2,457
Yerrrrppppppp. Inb4 the usual suspects who weren't gonna buy the game pop in to tell us that this is the nail in the coffin.
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This is my exact reaction to these threads/articles. Love this gif. Saving.
 

Deleted member 36578

Dec 21, 2017
26,561
Nobody should be defending this and it's pretty bad it's become acceptable. The integrity of the leveling up design is in question with the pay for more XPs existence.
 

Lothars

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
9,765
This is frankly another symptom of the greed and bloat in the industry. What used to be cool secret unlocks or hidden cheat codes is now paid microtransactions. Its indefensible.
lol no, this is a symptom of places like polygon being wrong about something but doubling down on it. This isn't a big deal and definitely isn't required.

Nobody should be defending this and it's pretty bad it's become acceptable. The integrity of the leveling up design is in question with the pay for more XPs existence.
I don't agree, This is not a big deal and for some to try to make it seem like it is just makes it look insane.
 

Curufinwe

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
8,924
DE
Gies has been complaining about this on Twitter too, and in his review for The Escapist (in which he gave it a 6). He even went so far as to say when he restarted the game, he bought the XP boost.

If you don't work at Ubisoft and insist that Assassin's Creed Odyssey could be updated to make the Permanent XP boost a standard part of the game, you literally don't know what you're talking about.
 

Lothars

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
9,765
There shouldn't be any microtransactions at all.
It doesn't matter if there is or not. it's an overreaction and doesn't matter.


Gies has been complaining about this on Twitter too, and in his review for The Escapist (in which he gave it a 6). He even went so far as to say when he restarted the game, he bought the XP boost.
I'll go even as far to say as when people like Gies and ben kechura are railing against it means it doesn't matter even less because those two have no clue what they are talking about.
 

Phellps

Member
Oct 25, 2017
10,805
I dont get why people defend this even if you dont need it to enjoy the game. it'll just lead to them eventually if not already artificially increase the grind with this game or the next game and make you spend more money or ruin the experience. This shouldn't be tolerated in any paid game
But... You get the game you paid for. And they want you to keep buying the games, so why would they make it a miserable experience and alienate buyers? People won't buy the game at all this way.
 

danhz

Member
Apr 20, 2018
3,235
polygon being polygon
They should have added a mode for them where u are already max lvl and main story is rushed
 

BIGLukas

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
1,322
USA
I haven't played Odyssey yet. On the one hand, I'm inclined to believe the majority here who say that progression in the game isn't an issue. But the simple fact that the $10 XP booster thing exists at all is worrying.
 

DavidDesu

Banned
Oct 29, 2017
5,718
Glasgow, Scotland
You're an assassin but you can't jump on someone and stab them in the neck and kill them unless your character is a similar level to that character. This is the kind of super arbitrary gamified nonsense I can't stand in these kinds of games. Talk about killing the sense of immersion.

Also it's purely there to pad out gameplay by gatekeeping half of the game behind grinding rather than behind any sense of skill or getting better at the controls. I wish games would move away from this shit already, and certainly not do it in such a negative way for the user, who now gets a crapper experience unless they pay yet more money for what is a full priced title. Shameful.
 

Francesco

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Nov 22, 2017
2,521
But... don't go in areas that aren't meant for your level. And progress as designed.
Wtf?
I would never try to kill someone above my level, I'd just get wrecked. "If yoh don't have time to gain xp"? Has this dude ever played an RPG? Jrpgs are even worse!

The first article was bait from polygon, and now they made a second one.
And of course Sterling is jumping in on the clicks.
 
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AHA-Lambda

Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,802
I'm really glad to see AC get raked over the coals for its levelling system, as it should have happened last year but didn't.
 

StarsTurnCold

Avenger
Apr 30, 2018
654
But... You get the game you paid for. And they want you to keep buying the games, so why would they make it a miserable experience and alienate buyers? People won't buy the game at all this way.

Because itll just encourage Ubisoft and others to make the grind worse in future games to encourage more people to buy this and make more money.
 

ΑGITΩ

The Fallen
Oct 28, 2017
695
The way exp is handed out in the game really breaks RPG conventions in general. I thought a quick fix to my xp woes would just to be find and fight higher level enemies that dont have the insta kill symbol over their head. But nope, theres not much of an xp reward for spending time killing high level enemies or mercenaries after you. I used the ubiclub 2 hour XP boost, made a world of difference however.
 

Torpedo Vegas

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Oct 27, 2017
22,617
Parts Unknown.
not being able to assassinate enemies in an *assassin's* creed game is stupid. no matter how you slice it about being "the past". change the name of the game then if it's no longer AC (which it seems has happened)
I'm still assassinating everyone I come across. I've spent 2 points in my assassin's skill tree on assassin passive damage, and critical assassination. the only people I can't kill outright are the mercenaries.
 

Deleted member 2172

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Oct 25, 2017
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You're an assassin but you can't jump on someone and stab them in the neck and kill them unless your character is a similar level to that character. This is the kind of super arbitrary gamified nonsense I can't stand in these kinds of games. Talk about killing the sense of immersion.

Also it's purely there to pad out gameplay by gatekeeping half of the game behind grinding rather than behind any sense of skill or getting better at the controls. I wish games would move away from this shit already, and certainly not do it in such a negative way for the user, who now gets a crapper experience unless they pay yet more money for what is a full priced title. Shameful.
You said dumb shit in the last thread and here you are again. Its a god damn RPG dude not a skill-based fighter/twitch-shooter or some shit what are you even talking about?
 

Wulfram

Member
Mar 3, 2018
1,478
"Forced me to master low-level abilities."

Lmfao. How dare they want you to use your full kit! I bet he hates any game that isn't just power fantasy simulator from the get-go.

It sounds like just plain doesn't like the game. Which is fine, but admitting as much is easier than trying to find 82747 reasons why.

The quote is misleadingly taken out of context. He's citing the fact that he has to master low-level abilities even with the XP boost as a good thing. His point is that because of the level scaling and other gating mechanisms the game remains fair and has a satisfying sense of progression with the XP boost, and that it doesn't feel like a "cheat code" that cheapens the game.
 

Sheepinator

Member
Jul 25, 2018
27,993
Jim Sterling banging his usual drum about greedy MTX greedy publishers, for those YouTube hits and that sweet sweet revenue from the outrage crowd.
 

BuckRogers

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Apr 5, 2018
774
It's natural to be suspicious when a game sells upgrades like this. You immediately start to wonder if they slowed down the progression to drive microtransaction purchases.

I'm not saying they did, I'm saying that when you decide to sell this kind of upgrade, you pretty much are inviting this kind of speculation.
 

Crossing Eden

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Oct 26, 2017
53,320
You're an assassin but you can't jump on someone and stab them in the neck and kill them unless your character is a similar level to that character. This is the kind of super arbitrary gamified nonsense I can't stand in these kinds of games. Talk about killing the sense of immersion.
If anything the fact that the animation properly reflects that you failed the attempt and just missed the mark is pretty immersive in and of itself:
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Deleted member 36578

Dec 21, 2017
26,561
I don't agree, This is not a big deal and for some to try to make it seem like it is just makes it look insane.

I spoke of this in the other thread, but do you not question how far the developers would push a system like this? Ubisoft obviously wants people to purchase extra content or micritransactions. If they set your next level to take 2000 more xp, but found that if they instead set your next level to take 5000 xp, they'd get a certain percentage of people to pay up? What if they push it even further? At what point would a larger part of their customer base be willing to spend? There's a really slippery slope here. The design of the game can suffer because of it even if you're personally never going to shell out an extra $10. Just the fact the option exists is an issue. We'll never know if the game was changed to compensate for it's inclusion no matter what they say.
 

Lothars

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
9,765
yeah god forbid dudes defend consumer rights against corporations squeezing money out of their consumers.
Posts like yours are hilarous because those three are not defending consumer rights. You are delusional if you believe otherwise.

I spoke of this in the other thread, but do you not question how far the developers would push a system like this? Ubisoft obviously wants people to purchase extra content or micritransactions. If they set your next level to take 2000 more xp, but found that if they instead set your next level to take 5000 xp, they'd get a certain percentage of people to pay up? What if they push it even further? At what point would a larger part of their customer base be willing to spend? There's a really slippery slope here. The design of the game can suffer because of it even if you're never going to shell out an extra $10. Just the fact the option exists is an issue. We'll never know if the game was changed to compensate for it's inclusion no matter what they say.
People yelling about microtransactions have been saying it's a slippery slope and it hasn't mattered. Nobody should buy the xp boost. it's not needed at all.
 

~Fake

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Oct 27, 2017
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This thread keep giving. Embarrassing. Can't defend this.
 

Peru

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Oct 26, 2017
6,129
The problem with these games is they value length and mass of content above anything else. Inevitably open world filler is the result, even if there are great parts in between. I love the worlds in Assassin's Creed, but I don't want to put 80+++ hours into these games, I don't think the mecahanics are that rewarding, and so I'd love it if the story campaigns were just shorter.

When you get a shortcut through some of that grind, and it's behind a paywall, yes, that's provocative, and I agree with the authoer.
 

MrFortyFive

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Oct 27, 2017
605
Indefensible and downright shitty. If they wanted to give players the option to skip the grind (that they intentionally put into the game to encourage you to buy shit like this, mind you), it should be a an option you can simply toggle on and off. To charge you extra for it on top of the minimum $60 you have to pay to play the game at all is a cash grab that no one should buy into.