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TheBored23

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Aug 10, 2018
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Any examples? It's not like arcade racers are doing anything better than Forza Motorsport. Unless they are talking about Horizon lol
Project Cars and the F1 series both feature qualifying, and a higher emphasis on pit and tire strategy in longer races. Whereas in FM, your starting spot is the same every career race, and even with the addition of dynamic weather, there's no need to switch between wet and dry tires.
 

BizzyBum

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Oct 26, 2017
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I have the same issue with the sliders. I just left it at the defaults and it looked good. On my old TV night races were impossible if your headlights went out but are fine on my new one so your mileage may vary and all that.

Gotcha, it's too bad it's not as good as Horizon 4's setup, but then again they had a whole extra year to learn and implement a better HDR system.

At both defaults it seems a little dark on my setup so I upped the gamma to like 75%-80% as for me that's where the "1 box" becomes slightly legible but I left the HDR brightness at the 50% default (I assume my TV calibration will be just fine with this).

But yeah like you said even with a poor in-game calibration setup the game still looks great regardless. Playing this in 60fps makes me wish the X could handle Horizon 4 at 60fps while in 4K. Maybe in Horizon 5 for next gen.
 

Falcon511

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Oct 27, 2017
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Sounds good. This aligns with what people have been saying in the MS 1st party studios thread. There probably wont be a FM8 in 2019. I think that will be reserved for Scarlet in fall 2020.
 

cakely

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Oct 27, 2017
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Interesting. I'm not sure why they're doing this though, why not just wait for Forza 8? There's no indication that the Forza series is "taking a break" next year, they've been grinding these games out every other year since 2005, why stop now?
 

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Hope they drop the homologation system or at least make it optional. And pls add more racing tracks. Can be fantasy ones, missing ones from previous Forza games. And pls add more eletric/hybrid cars. They deseve some love.
 

SuikerBrood

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Interesting. I'm not sure why they're doing this though, why not just wait for Forza 8? There's no indication that the Forza series is "taking a break" next year, they've been grinding these games out every other year since 2005, why stop now?

We've had indications that they are not launching FM8 next year.
 

matimeo

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Oct 26, 2017
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But Forza Motorsport already does take a break every other year. Another year off wouldn't hurt though.

Edit:
Or are you including Forza Horizon? They're two different series by two different developers, you know.

Motorsport team has provided support to horizon for every launch. They own the engine and have flown out developers for months at a time to assist. A portion of the team usually helps Horizon remotely as well for months at a time which has taken away from the time spent on Motorsport each iteration.
 

Soundscream

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Nov 2, 2017
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They posted months ago that nobody is working on FM8 so I dont know why people are saying maybe no FM8 next year, its definitely not happening in 2019.
 

Captain of Outer Space

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But Forza Motorsport already does take a break every other year. Another year off wouldn't hurt though.

Edit:
Or are you including Forza Horizon? They're two different series by two different developers, you know.
Of course, but my point is that the new things being added with each new entry in both series are minor things with a coat of new paint. Turn 10 and Playground Games don't really seem to know what to do with their games to make them better, so we get loot crates and tons of weird cosmetics to be the new things that don't really add anything to the game as a sequel.
 

Shaneus

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Oct 27, 2017
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So we're getting a PGR title to tide us over? Sweet.

I still think Forza 4 is the best mainline game.
I played it only a few months ago and man, you'd be surprised how well the campaign and the feel of the game holds up. I vastly prefer it to any Forza game since.

It was just before it started feeling too wanky, IMO.


Shit, now I want to fire it up again.
 

Rodeo Clown

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Dec 14, 2017
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Interesting. I'm not sure why they're doing this though, why not just wait for Forza 8? There's no indication that the Forza series is "taking a break" next year, they've been grinding these games out every other year since 2005, why stop now?
You stop now because FM7 wasn't as well-received, they've been given time by Microsoft to reconsider what the series is, and there's no point in them getting an FM8 out the door next year when next gen isn't far off. The systems that they're assessing and rewriting in FM7 will eventually transfer over to an FM8 and they have the luxury of seeing how the changes impact an actual live user base.

For instance, they talked about on the stream that they've been closely monitoring engagement numbers as they've rolled out the new features this summer like the updated time attack and the drag racing mode and seen good things as it relates to player retention. Making these changes to FM7 also lets them get their feet wet in making a live service game, which the series has never truly done before.
 
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We've had indications that they are not launching FM8 next year.
Wasn't there something about 3/4 year? Maybe they're looking for another launch spot in the year, because people aren't maining racing games as they are CoD and Fifa for example, so it's always a bad collision there, I assume.

Another thing: Many PC sim guys whose first Forza was FM7 were looking down on the Forza physics coming from Assetto Corsa for example. Now looking at Project CARS 1, which is widely hated in the sim community, except for the superfans, who then don't play other racing sims... Project CARS 2 sold really poorly compared to PCARS1, probably because of the bad experience many had with PCARS1.

To now overhaul the physics, FFB and online racing of FM7 for free will be seen positively and might be seen as a "they're supporting their games and are getting their" and then also result in more FM8 sales. Maybe it's not more than 100,000 people, but they're the enthusiasts, that MS failed to go after when the XB1 launched and are now so hard to get back. Maybe they're learning.
 

Gestault

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Oct 26, 2017
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Considering this is on top of the renovations from the last year like the online championship series, drag racing, all-flag time attacks/leaderboards, and the out-of-bounds overlay, I'm incredibly impressed. Waiting longer this cycle and putting that development into what was already an excellent experience is the best path they could have taken at this point.
 

cakely

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We've had indications that they are not launching FM8 next year.

They posted months ago that nobody is working on FM8 so I dont know why people are saying maybe no FM8 next year, its definitely not happening in 2019.

Ohh ... sorry, I had no idea. We've had a new FM every other year for 13 years I just assumed it would continue.

Also, I agree with others here that FM4 was the pinnacle of the series.
 

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To me, racing games like Forza Motorsport or even Fifa are a perfect fit for GaaS. I mean, yes, there were changes between FM5 to FM7 but the changes were not so big that one would buy these games three times. Why not evolve the game within gamepass and people can buy into the pass and get the game at its current best status? I know it will never happen with Fifa but FM seems it good go the gamepass way.
 

Gestault

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Interesting. I'm not sure why they're doing this though, why not just wait for Forza 8? There's no indication that the Forza series is "taking a break" next year, they've been grinding these games out every other year since 2005, why stop now?

They announced specifically that they weren't doing work on Forza 8 yet (a little while back), and were putting those resources into FM7 for the time being. It pretty directly indicated there wasn't going to be a FM8 for next year.

Edit: Ah, other people already answer, sorry
 

Sinder

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So does this mean they're saving Motorsport 8 for 2020 or just doing Horizon 5 then?
 

matimeo

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To me, racing games like Forza Motorsport or even Fifa are a perfect fit for GaaS. I mean, yes, there were changes between FM5 to FM7 but the changes were not so big that one would buy these games three times. Why not evolve the game within gamepass and people can buy into the pass and get the game at its current best status? I know it will never happen with Fifa but FM seems it good go the gamepass way.

Licensing has to be reworked to change distribution plans.
 

eso76

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Dec 8, 2017
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Doesn't really make sense to make a new Forza Motorsport on current gen hardware.
There's very little else they could do in terms of engine when their game needs to run on the Xbox One S.
Add content and refine 7 while working towards a substantial overhaul for the next hardware.
 

v_iHuGi

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So does this mean they're saving Motorsport 8 for 2020 or just doing Horizon 5 then?

Likely they are launching Xbox 2 with Forza 8, Fable IV & Halo Infinity.

Starting the generation with a huge bang.

Microsoft needs to focus on next gen, this one is done, they still can pull a 360 with Xbox 2 and with those 3 games at launch it'll be insane.
 

Linus815

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i loved listening to the devs talk about the ffb in forza monthly, they went super in depth and technical.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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To me, racing games like Forza Motorsport or even Fifa are a perfect fit for GaaS. I mean, yes, there were changes between FM5 to FM7 but the changes were not so big that one would buy these games three times. Why not evolve the game within gamepass and people can buy into the pass and get the game at its current best status? I know it will never happen with Fifa but FM seems it good go the gamepass way.
If Game Pass really grows or if Microsoft is betting on subscription based game streaming to really take off, this would make perfect sense. Go completely iRacing model, just with the membership fee included in Game Pass. Would be stupid to start with 700 cars included though. Smarter to start with a franchise reboot title that is included in game pass, but you need to buy the (visually and physically upgraded) car models above some maybe 30 cars that are free.
 

eso76

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Fable IV & Halo Infinity.

Eh I can understand them wanting to launch with a bang, and they absolutely need to.
But they should also worry about not making this gen of theirs a complete disappointment.
There's Gears 5 I guess, but that alone is not going to cut it imho.
 

RobbRivers

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Jan 3, 2018
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I really like a lot forza franchise but for me has 3 main areas of improving:

A secondary or alternative Story mode:

Career is good, much improved from lasts entries (forza 1-3 and 5 career modes were awful!), but I rather prefer an optional (do not remove actual single player mode) story mode a la F1 or Project cars too! This means that forza Should have a single player mode and a Story Mode (Embrace your Dreams). You can even use names of drivers in horizon or pgr as rivals!

Race inmersion: trainings, qualifying and races with full pits.

Replays:
https://youtu.be/A6ghtWCVL1Q
I watched this and man, looks outstanding, made me wanna buy a steering wheel, a ps4 pro just for feeling the inmersion of being in a race.

For other things, Forza is an outstanding franchise and Forza 7 is a great game. I own every Forza except 2 (and every horizon and PGR).
 
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Theorry

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Oct 27, 2017
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More and more in line with that we are not getting a FM8 next year. Fine by me. Means Horizon probably also is gonna be pushed back wich i am fine with also.
 

Splader

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Feb 12, 2018
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More and more in line with that we are not getting a FM8 next year. Fine by me. Means Horizon probably also is gonna be pushed back wich i am fine with also.
I wonder how long they'll be doing events/post launch support on FH4. Will it be just the few months, or will they keep adding incentive to keep playing even a year from now?
 

Bear and bird

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Oct 27, 2017
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Motorsport team has provided support to horizon for every launch. They own the engine and have flown out developers for months at a time to assist. A portion of the team usually helps Horizon remotely as well for months at a time which has taken away from the time spent on Motorsport each iteration.
Sure, and Playground has in turn helped Turn10 with Forza Motorsport. Each studio has their main focus, though.

Of course, but my point is that the new things being added with each new entry in both series are minor things with a coat of new paint. Turn 10 and Playground Games don't really seem to know what to do with their games to make them better, so we get loot crates and tons of weird cosmetics to be the new things that don't really add anything to the game as a sequel.
I think you're on the money with Forza Motorsport, but Forza Horizon still manages to feel fresh to me.

With that said.. The more entries the FH series gets, the chance of fatigue grows bigger. So I can definitely see the argument in favor of being proactive with the series before it looses its edge.


Likely they are launching Xbox 2 with Forza 8, Fable IV & Halo Infinity.

Starting the generation with a huge bang.

Microsoft needs to focus on next gen, this one is done, they still can pull a 360 with Xbox 2 and with those 3 games at launch it'll be insane.
Fable IV is not going to be a launch game unless Scarlett is launching in 2021 or 2022. But it's highly possible it will be a part of Xbox' hype train when they announce the console.
 

Raide

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Oct 31, 2017
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Forza 7 revamp and Game Pass relaunch would be pretty good. Horizon 4 is currently the hot stuff and the content is planned for at least a year. Giving the Motorsport series a little rest will be good for the series. Especially with Scarlett in the works. Maybe a 4k60 Forza game will be a reality.
 

Gestault

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Oct 26, 2017
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Forza 7 revamp and Game Pass relaunch would be pretty good. Horizon 4 is currently the hot stuff and the content is planned for at least a year. Giving the Motorsport series a little rest will be good for the series. Especially with Scarlett in the works. Maybe a 4k60 Forza game will be a reality.

Like...Forza Mortosport 7?
 

Watership

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Oct 27, 2017
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A break seems good to me. Build up hype for something new and work on the technology. I'd like to see the photomode and replay camera systems completely overhauled as well. They're easily the least successful part of these games and they havent changed much in a decade. I'd love to see tweeks in environmental effects and in game camera movement to enhance immersion.