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UltraMagnus

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Oct 27, 2017
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The talk of a new Switch model got me thinking about some things that might be staring us right in the face. In late 2016, there was a Foxconn leak for the Switch which shared a bunch of details. Now keep in mind these are taken from a Manadrian lanaguage leak and it's just a guy at a factory (so it's not like he's getting official walk through from Nintendo).

https://www.reddit.com/r/NintendoSw...r_someone_who_producing_switch_at_foxconn_is/

But he got way too many details correct IMO to be a fake, he got the exact battery size (4310 MaH), the exact dock (mostly empty, no fan inside) stuff correct, the name of the SL/SR buttons on the Joycons correct, the neon joycons mostly correct (he says orange instead of red I think, but the red Joycon does look orange under current lighting). He gets other things wrong like saying the screen is 1080p, but it's hard to guess the resolution of a screen by just looking at it. Apparently he thought there was 4G model too but that may have been for dev kits.

Now here's where it gets interesting, he described a second Switch unit, which he clarifies as a dev kit. This is what he states about this second version of the Switch:

*A much powerful version, producing 2000x units for now *The core is 1x times bigger than the one above,200m㎡, looking it looks like 12x18 *2 extra ram, this version is 8GB *2x wifi, 1hdmi, 1x mini dp, 1x ethernet, 2x unidentified socket, 3x network led indicator, *Looks much more complex than the normal version, 6, 7 extra unidentified storage, different socket *Not sure if this is Devkit, or it's an advanced version, not sure if Nintendo will release it (22 Nov 2016 update) Confirmed it's a devkit, and Nintendo was coming to exam the devkit today *No dock for this version for now *Can be plugged into TV without docking, power is inside *Speculated provided the core is only include GPU, it would be even more powerful than PS4 pro *Screen is the same size as the normal one *It's much more powerful, but also much heavier, not feeling great in hand, speculated for 4K gaming *Haven't seen such a huge core, and it's 16nm + 100mm2 main core *There's no battery inside this version

So a much bigger and distinct chipset, 16nm (instead of 20nm for regular Switch), 8GB RAM instead of 4, much larger die size, much more powerful, no battery inside the kit, no dock needed. He cites it as maybe being above PS4 Pro in power but I think he's maybe overshooting on that, PS4 base might be more realistic.

Now ok, that's all fine and good, another rumor, right, but the second Switch he's describing actually has been leaked in photos as a dev kit right around the same time and the connectors it has lines up exactly with what he described:

This photo of a dev unit Switch leaked before the official Switch reveal and its clear looking at it that it was legit all along, that's definitely a real Switch but notice how much thicker it is. This lines up exactly with what the Foxconn leaker stated right down to every port there:

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Another photo of this "fat Switch" here from a developer:

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Just a theory ... but what if Nvidia has simply been able to give Nintendo a die shrunk/more power efficient version of this "more powerful, fat Switch"? In a sense they may not be "making" a Switch Pro more than they are just repurposing dev kit tech that they've already been sitting on for a few years. With a new die shrink process and certain other extraneous stuff cut out, perhaps this "fat Switch" is can be slimmed down as a consumer model for late 2019.
 
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UltraMagnus

UltraMagnus

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Oct 27, 2017
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Do not expect a Switch "Pro" meaning stronger hardware and you will live a happier life.

It's gonna be standard for all console manufacturers, just too much money to be made by going the Apple route. Nintendo caved on paid online, paid DLC, smartphone gaming, they'll cave on this too.
 

Clefargle

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Switch Pro >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Switch Mini >>>>>> Switch TV only.

I'm down for a beefier Switch, let's go!
 

digitalrelic

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Oct 25, 2017
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Nah, the Switch XL will be something more like this:

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Same specs, same form factor, much more screen real estate. It'll remain compatible with all accessories & just have a larger screen. Maybe a slightly higher clock on the processor in handheld mode due to better cooling.
 

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The bulkier, more powerful switch is only for dev purposes. It's jot going to be a consumer product much like how games are developed on more powerful hardware than PS4 or Xbox One
 

Ferrs

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Aren't dev kits usually more powerful than the consumer version? (more memory, etc)
 

mindsale

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I really hope it's more modern than chipsets and casts from 2016.

I remember the firmware update from some months back that hinted strongly at a unit with more RAM. Whatever happened with that?
 

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....you're in for a big disappointment if you're expecting a handheld as powerful as a PS4 this time next year.
 

Skittzo

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The devkit in the photo isn't the same as the leaked devkit. Why would they give developers all that much extra processing power? That's not how devkits work IIRC.
 
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UltraMagnus

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Oct 27, 2017
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The devkit in the photo isn't the same as the leaked devkit. Why would they give developers all that much extra processing power? That's not how devkits work IIRC.

There seems to be two dev kits out there, a regular version that has black Joycons which is like a regular Switch and then there's this "fat" version, which does exists and apparently has a much more powerful chip inside of it.
 

Dyle

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Dev kits are always more powerful than the consoles sold to the public because they have to do a lot more and price isn't a factor. Don't get your hopes up like this
 

Grunty

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Nintendo has been doing revisions and "pro" systems to all of their handheld hardware since the original Game Boy. The only time exclusive games ever released for one of their more powerful revisions was with the New! 3DS line. A Switch revision was always inevitable. Could it be more powerful? Sure, why not? Will it have exclusive games? Unlikely as there isn't a need to divide their Switch user base considering its current strong and rapid growth.
 

Jonneh

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Potentially but I believe the X2 is actually more efficient so maybe it'll balance out if they go that route. Digitalrelic is absolutely right though, it needs to stay the same form factor otherwise Joycon won't work - it can't get thinner or fatter.

The example in the OP is just a standard devkit, no way they would go with that kind of design for a consumer product.
 

Sapiens

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Oct 26, 2017
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I'm totally expecting any upgrade to be wacky and completely missing the point of what makes the switch great.

It will be some sort of moonshot wacky plastic labo-type cardboard shit.
 
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UltraMagnus

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Potentially but I believe the X2 is actually more efficient so maybe it'll balance out if they go that route. Digitalrelic is absolutely right though, it needs to stay the same form factor otherwise Joycon won't work - it can't get thinner or fatter.

You could lose the right/left bezels and significantly reduce the length of the Switch though and still keep the Joycon compatibility. That would make the system about as wide as a Vita, so much less wide.
 
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UltraMagnus

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Oct 27, 2017
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Yes.

An example is the Xbox One X' development kit having 24GB of DDR5 RAM (Xbox One X has 12GB).

Coming from this, it's fair to assume the 8GB Switch model is the dev kit.

That said, I'm in the camp that thinks that the next Switch model/revision is going to be more than just a Lite model.

It is a dev kit, the Foxconn guy says its a dev kit. But it's not just more RAM. The dev kit according to him has its own chipset distinct from the regular Switch too.
 

Skittzo

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There seems to be two dev kits out there, a regular version that has black Joycons which is like a regular Switch and then there's this "fat" version, which does exists and apparently has a much more powerful chip inside of it.

I dunno about that, that's putting a lot of stock into the foxconn leak. I still think that was just a prototype they were showing to partners but decided against (for now anyway).

You could lose the right/left bezels and significantly reduce the length of the Switch though and still keep the Joycon compatibility. That would make the system about as wide as a Vita, so much less wide.

Then it might have trouble docking, especially with the joycons attached.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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Potentially but I believe the X2 is actually more efficient so maybe it'll balance out if they go that route. Digitalrelic is absolutely right though, it needs to stay the same form factor otherwise Joycon won't work - it can't get thinner or fatter.
Nintendo will happily sell another version of the Joycons, and people will happily buy them.
 
Oct 31, 2017
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As I already said , don't expect anything like that, if your lucky you will get a better screen. I remember a friend telling me about devkits having more horsepower but also that they where not impressed with power of the released console.
 

Smash Kirby

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Potentially but I believe the X2 is actually more efficient so maybe it'll balance out if they go that route. Digitalrelic is absolutely right though, it needs to stay the same form factor otherwise Joycon won't work - it can't get thinner or fatter.

The example in the OP is just a standard devkit, no way they would go with that kind of design for a consumer product.
It takes a bit of power to power a screen that large.
 

sir_crocodile

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It's gonna be standard for all console manufacturers, just too much money to be made by going the Apple route. Nintendo caved on paid online, paid DLC, smartphone gaming, they'll cave on this too.

Nintendo already did it with the DSi and the N3DS. DSi was 2008.
Hell, you could make an argument about the GBC, but that was more of a true replacement then the above.
 
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UltraMagnus

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Cave on it? Nintendo pioneered the concept in their portable devices. Switch is in every way (other than marketing) a portable device.

Yeah but I think it will be more than the just the XL, DSi, type upgrades, I think they are going to go for a more Apple like product structure, Sony and MS are already moving in that direction too.

It simply makes money, that's the bottom line. A few people will complain about fragmenting the market, but I think the general fact is, most consumers love hardware upgrades, they are used to it and expect and (yes) want it. The PS4 Pro and XB1X have been overwhelmingly been positively received.

Lets face it, smartphones have forever changed the way people look at buying consumer electronics. No one wants anything that will last 5-10 years anymore, that's actually now a very quaint, 1980s line of thinking.
 
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They have them in the back of the store at Best Buy but they aren't allowed to sell them yet. My brother's friend works there and gave me one though.
 

Booga

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Aren't dev kits usually more powerful than the consumer version? (more memory, etc)
Typically no. Dev kits testing units usually have the exact same specs as the retail device. That way there is no disparity in performance.

It's a bit strange that the Switch Dev unit has 8GB of ram, but it is very possible this is due to Nintendo knowing full well they'd be releasing an updated Switch. So developers were provided with one that both sets of specs.
 

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I'm sure this new Switch will be a Switch Pro.

But I don't expect it to be as powerful as PS4 Pro. But I see it somewhere between the PS4 and the PS4 Pro.
 
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This photo of a dev unit Switch leaked before the official Switch reveal and its clear looking at it that it was legit all along, that's definitely a real Switch but notice how much thicker it is. This lines up exactly with what the Foxconn leaker stated right down to every port there:

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Another photo of this "fat Switch" here from a developer:

Outlast-Coming-to-Nintendo-Switch-2018-Announcement-Photo.jpg


Just a theory ... but what if Nvidia has simply been able to give Nintendo a die shrunk/more power efficient version of this "more powerful, fat Switch"? In a sense they may not be "making" a Switch Pro more than they are just repurposing dev kit tech that they've already been sitting on for a few years. With a new die shrink process and certain other extraneous stuff cut out, perhaps this "fat Switch" is can be slimmed down as a consumer model for late 2019.

The dev Switch is literally just the Switch hardware plus some room for the extra ports used to testing/debugging. They wouldn't have given developers hardware that was considerably more powerful than the consumer product. I have no idea why people can't get a grasp on what it is.
 

garion333

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"16nm (instead of 20nm for regular Switch)"

Sounds like the Tegra X2 instead of the X1.

I'm not sure the upcoming revision of the Switch will be anything but more battery and potentially a slight bump in processing speed, but the eventual plan has got to be to put an X2 in the thing.

If they put an X2 in there it'll be more efficient and won't need a larger battery, so if that's the case I'm trading my Switches in first thing. If it's just a slight upgrade, I'll pass.
 
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UltraMagnus

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The dev Switch is literally just the Switch hardware plus some room for the extra ports used to testing/debugging. They wouldn't have given developers hardware that was considerably more powerful than the consumer product. I have no idea why people can't get a grasp on what it is.

That's not what the Foxconn leaker describes though he describes a chip with different dimensions, different RAM, and even a different manufacturing node (16nm vs. 20nm).

IMO the Foxconn leaker while maybe getting something's wrong got too many things right to be a fake and we can see the dev kit he described for ourselves.
 

Razor Mom

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That's not what the Foxconn leaker describes though he describes a chip with different dimensions, different RAM, and even a different manufacturing node (16nm vs. 20nm).

IMO the Foxconn leaker while maybe getting something's wrong got too many things right to be a fake and we can see the dev kit he described for ourselves.
Again, gonna repeat: Devkits have higher specs for development reasons and debugging. More RAM, different chips, etc.
 
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UltraMagnus

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"16nm (instead of 20nm for regular Switch)"

Sounds like the Tegra X2 instead of the X1.

I'm not sure the upcoming revision of the Switch will be anything but more battery and potentially a slight bump in processing speed, but the eventual plan has got to be to put an X2 in the thing.

If they put an X2 in there it'll be more efficient and won't need a larger battery, so if that's the case I'm trading my Switches in first thing. If it's just a slight upgrade, I'll pass.

Could be a X2, but he describes dimensions that are considerably larger than the X1 and from what I understand the X2 is the same size as the X1.