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New Switch model coming in second half of 2019, reports Japanese WSJ
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I never said that's what they are going to use. I just mentioned it because it's the next Tegra SoC in the product line. From there you can also get some info on how mobile tech is advancing.
That's fine. Yes, some in the diehard in the gaming community, but the people by and large who plan on buying the Switch don't even know about this rumor.
Conservative buyers will hold off for sure, I wouldn't expect anything else. If i was looking to buy I'd definitely wait now.
Mum and dad will still buy little Johnny his portable fortnite device for Xmas though. Cheaper and safer than a tablet when it comes to access things they shouldn't.
Mum and dad will still buy little Johnny his portable fortnite device for Xmas though. Cheaper and safer than a tablet when it comes to access things they shouldn't.
Japan is a good test ground for these relatively new cloud streaming start ups (Capcom, Ubisoft, etc.) Soon you will have pretty much everyone offering their games through streaming in some fashion.
When the cheap Xbox streaming box comes out, it will make it hit the casual/mainstream market and it will just expand from there.
ironically, the Switch is the odd system out. the X1 was chosen for it prior to the X1's public reveal
given what we know, Mariko is definitely not an X2, but a modified X1. timing lines up for an X1 variant and changing out the CPU might be more work than just shrinking the X1. the only other change to the X1 would be changing the bus width to match Parker (128-bit bus, 50GB/s)
Absolutely, I've abandoned the idea of Parker for well over a year. Mariko is likely more than just a shrunk X1 though, as you said, memory controller, different cpu open the doors to a more powerful GPU, and with the Foxconn leak pointing to doubling everything, I figure it will double the gpu performance as well.
animal crossing is the game that will get people to buy multiple switches so this makes sense
Previously mentioned in the thread, but they've already been shipping units with the fix for that exploit for some time now.
Also, if the problem of using the x1 is that it uses a dated process that they want to get rid of, it means the new switch will be the de facto switch asap. Which means that the console will actually get more expensive? that doesnt make sense, the need for a cheaper solution is higher than the need for a souped up version of the switch
Yeah I remember those new units came out like a month ago or so but that was likely a panic quick fix and they engineered something more secure for this revision, and a revision they can sell as "new" to get more people interested and sell more units even if it's just a few small things. I doubt it'll be anything as "big" as the New 3DS and it really wasn't that much either.
The New 3DS was a big deal considering it got an exclusive game in Xenoblade. It might've got another or two.
I guess the ideal Switch revision for me would probably attempt to be lighter and more portable so that I would use it as often as I used my 3DS, but going for more power when the next generation is coming is not a bad idea either. They really ought to try to get Switch versions of new third party games sooner than later. When I bought a Switch back in March this year, I didn't expect the rest of my year to be focused on Capcom and Square Enix games on my PC. It's cool that Square Enix and Nintendo have a tight relationship this gen, but the long wait for the Switch version of DQXI is really unfortunate.
I don't see how "it got an exclusive game and maybe another or two" is being a big deal.
944GFLOPs, single precision, it would be just below XB1, in mixed precision (a game like KH3) would mean it would sit around PS4's base performance. CPU would be faster than PS4's, and Mariko has 8GB of RAM, so it would sit well there too.
I thought people said a portable PS4 wouldn't be possible like any time soon.
Is this Switch Pro like Reviewtech says even possible?
Is this Switch Pro like Reviewtech says even possible?
It's a big deal because if the New Switch gets Kingdom Hearts 3 and other big titles as exclusives it would upset customers of the OG Switch.
Man I've been thinking about this all day and I'm so bummed. I was so ready to grab a Switch between October and early November, but this news are making me wait since I can't afford to get a Switch now and get this revision later because I'm planning to grab a Pro and a 4K TV next year, maybe an XBX as well.
With 2000 replies I can't be the first to say this, but if it's more focused on portability I will be there day 1.
given the X1 was already maxed out at 1GHz, it might be simpler to just clock the design up rather, as per the Foxconn leak. same with the CPU. if they doubled cuda core count and changed out the CPU, they wouldn't bother with those leaked clock speed since they can hit the same performance with lower clocks .
the more I think about it, the more I think the handheld mode might not be too equivalent to the Gen 1 Switch's docked speed. as you mentioned 921MHz was more a 20% clock increase. assuming the handheld mode is the same, we'd see handheld clocks at 362Mhz (at the lowest performance bracket). that's not a usable upgrade however. so that's a point for the "increased core count"
half as powerful as the base PS4? yeah. the one I'm suggesting is closer to 70% of the way there, but a solid 30fps for games that struggle on a PS4 to hit 60fps would be reasonable, and AMD is far behind Nvidia, they can't produce a 1843GFLOPs GPU for mobile, this isn't that.
It's possible they go with 472GFLOPs and not double the cuda cores, but everything else is doubled, and Nintendo was really targeting that 720p to 1080p resolution difference for portable and handheld, which is why the original Switch handheld clock was 307mhz for 157GFLOPs.
They planned the Switch with those ratios back during the foxconn leak, which strengthen's in my mind that they went with a 2.4x GPU performance upgrade because that would simply allow that same 720p to 1080p change from current to new switch.
I don't see this being more than a console with better battery life, resolution and framerate capabilities, and bigger internal HDD. Anything above that would be closer to a new console than a "pro version" I don't think Nintendo would want to frature it's userbase with a switch running software that og owners couldn't.
considering the pro models of other systems didn't fracture the user base, I'm not sure why this would too
2 years (since launch) is too soon for a pro model. I don't get it.
Didn't PS4 Pro release 4 years after launch?
I'm not against the idea but an initial 'lite' model with improved battery life & screen seems the way forward.
Anyone believe this is a good business decision (if foxcon leak is true)?
Didn't PS4 Pro release 4 years after launch?
I'm not against the idea but an initial 'lite' model with improved battery life & screen seems the way forward.
Anyone believe this is a good business decision (if foxcon leak is true)?
The PS4 Pro launched 36 months after the PS4, if this launches next November, it would be 33 months after Switch launch.
MAYBE they just want the portable mode to have the same quality of the docked mode?
No visual compromisses, just the same thing but in 720p
Yep, and then offer a docked 1080p experience. I'm talking about a difference similar to undocked and docked current Switch, that is most likely what they will offer.
I've been saying for the longest time that if they were to go the revision route, the only way to do so that actually makes any sense is to focus on increasing hardware power with each subsequent release (until the public gets tired of the Switch concept. After all mobile hardware has a lot of potential to match existing console hardware). Which is why I never understood why people thought it was a smart idea to fracture the base by introducing "mini Switch" if it's not going to be able to maintain compatibility with the original Switch hardware (hardware in the sense of dock, joycons, etc). Nintendo is not stupid, they have a great concept in their hands and they're not going to go back on their Switch marketing after everyone and their grandmas lambasted them for incoherent branding with the Wii U.
That said, I expect the revised Switch to maintain compatibility with joycons and other devices, which means it's really only the internals that will see a change (basically the Switch version of New 3DS). New screen? Hmm, would it make sense to go 1080p screen? How would that affect the pricing? I also expect the size of the unit to be relatively the same, especially factoring in joycon sizing.
That said, I expect the revised Switch to maintain compatibility with joycons and other devices, which means it's really only the internals that will see a change (basically the Switch version of New 3DS). New screen? Hmm, would it make sense to go 1080p screen? How would that affect the pricing? I also expect the size of the unit to be relatively the same, especially factoring in joycon sizing.
You believe this thing will get exclusive games? I don't think it will regardless of how capable it is compared to the base unit.
Seems messy for developers to create games for the original switch handheld & docked, and new switch handheld and docked. Especially with future continued iterations. Mobile phones get away with it because they're not dedicated game consoles. They don't have to worry about pissing off 20+ million other users by locking them out of content because at the end of the day a phone is a phone. Do you think Nintendo needs powerful hardware to differentiate itself from other mobile devices? I can see your point there, seems difficult though.
sorry, my fault. I read September 2015. But that was the release of the standard new 3ds in NA. weird it took so long
Developers are free to release games that only work when docked or portable now. There is no rules for this, so if a more powerful Switch is released and developers can't get their games to run well enough on the current Switch, yeah there could be exclusives, but not from Nintendo. Nintendo will wait until they release another more powerful revision later down the road, probably in 2022, setting up a 3 year performance refresh cycle. They will almost certainly still launch cheaper models and I keep hearing about a January reveal, what if they reveal the cheaper kid friendly model in January for a March release. (still matching the docked performance on the go) and a Switch "Pro" in August. The cheaper model wouldn't offer a performance upgrade and would be more like your ds lite, while the more powerful version would get a docked jump.
This would also mean that games designed for the more powerful Switch would still work for the cheaper model, just at the undocked performance level. The current Switch would likely just get the same games and developers wouldn't care much if the larger AAA gets struggle with 30fps but run fine on the newer switch models.
Interestingly. IGN shares my sentiments that it may be a cheaper model akin to the 2DS.
Of course they wish for all the same stuff I'm reading here. Better screen, more memory. Etc.
But then logic kicks in and they discuss how Nintendo seems to enjoy putting out a cost effective version to attract the kiddies(parents) which is pretty much my hypothesis. Cheaper model, hopefully clamshell to save it from the rampage of kids who'll be scooping it up.
If they go clamshell, I'm there day one.
Of course they wish for all the same stuff I'm reading here. Better screen, more memory. Etc.
But then logic kicks in and they discuss how Nintendo seems to enjoy putting out a cost effective version to attract the kiddies(parents) which is pretty much my hypothesis. Cheaper model, hopefully clamshell to save it from the rampage of kids who'll be scooping it up.
If they go clamshell, I'm there day one.
I have no problem with a more powerful mid grade Switch. The Switch is such a great system and third parties want to support it. It still has a few setbacks from allowing them to do it. Power is one of them and if Nintendo wants to court third parties by doing it, then it's all fine by me. I like to see Nintendo work more with third party devs. It's so refreshing.
Yeah I'm seeing a lot more than a potential screen replacement discussed here pal.
Iwata always said the Switch would be a family of devices... an upgrade every 2-3 years makes sense for a model like that, assuming that you'll be supporting the device fully for at least 2 of those cycles, giving them a 4-6 year life span and you're sitting right where Nintendo normally does for a system's lifespan. I'm okay with this. This would allow me to upgrade to the newest switch and enjoy all of the benefits associated with it, while letting my kids have a hand-me-down that they'll still fully enjoy.
Or they could just give you the RE7 Cloud license if you don't own the more powerful variant.
Power is on the lower end of concerns from third parties. Game cart size capacity is a far bigger issue that needs to be solved for third party support, as are software sale performance.
I thought someone said the game cart size was being solved next year with 32 GB carts? Or is that not really true?
Software sales performance is something to be seen. Games seem to sell well unless they're half assed.
32GB carts are available now but are extremely expensive. 64GB carts next yr will help a bit but, again, are expensive. Software sales are a mixed bag.
Yeah, the price is a problem. I guess we'll see. There's only so much Nintendo can do. That's the world of making a system that uses carts (which was the best decision). I want third party devs to keep making AA games for Switch. They seem to sell very well.
I wish this was all clarified already to know if I should get my Switch now or wait for this revision. If it's one focused on portability then I couldn't give 2 shits about it and would get one now, I'd actually prefer one more focused as a home console, so if it's some kind of "Pro" model that takes advantage of a better dock, that Switch is staying docked 99% of the time baby.
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