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PS5 and next Xbox launch speculation - Post E3 2018
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I dont really think "maxing hardware" is a good term at all. This gen had a more familiar architecture compared to previous generations, and we still see major differences between launch games and end-of-gen releases. The most impressive results will (almost) always come from the studios who can focus on just a single platform and have the time and budget to get the most out of it (like first party studios)
Yeah, but I think its pretty clear that Geurrilla made a big leap from KZ:SF (an impressive looking launch game) to H:ZD (one of the most impressive "mid-gen" games this cycle). As mentioned above, being in the position of having the time and resources to really get the most out of a piece of hardware is probably more defining that the actual piece of hardware itself.
Compare the leap from,say,Uncharted 1 to Uncharted 3 and between KZ:SF to Horzion and the former is waaaay more impressive and noticeable IMO.
I think we should wait what ND delivers with TLOU2 to make up that bill. I do think that Horizon is a more impressive leap from KZ:SF than Uncharted 1 is to Uncharted 3, to be honest. But they're hard to compare because Guerrilla went from a linear FPS to an open world game, while U1 to U3 are clear iterations.
It's a more substantial leap sure, but Killzone was a more visually impressive game at the time of it's release than Uncharted 1.
https://patents.google.com/patent/U...ony+interactive+entertainment&sort=new&page=1
This one is quite confusing, but I feel like if someone could piece it together it would possibly showcase a new streaming / play together feature.
This is most likely wrong, but here it goes anyway --
There are two instances of a game running (Claim 1), one for "player 1" and one for "player 2" (Claim 3). The first instance is controlled locally by "player 1", and then recorded and put into a picture in picture video stream (claims 4-6). "Player 2" then receives the video stream (remote play) from the second instance of the game, however with the video of "player 1" included as a picture in picture (e.g. a small little screen in the corner or something) (Claim 7).
Claims 9-14 appear to be a similar thing, but with a server doing it all instead of a local machine.
I think Claims 15 and greater talk about the system that controls all of that, but that is even less clear to me.
Would like to get your thoughts on this.
This one is quite confusing, but I feel like if someone could piece it together it would possibly showcase a new streaming / play together feature.
This is most likely wrong, but here it goes anyway --
There are two instances of a game running (Claim 1), one for "player 1" and one for "player 2" (Claim 3). The first instance is controlled locally by "player 1", and then recorded and put into a picture in picture video stream (claims 4-6). "Player 2" then receives the video stream (remote play) from the second instance of the game, however with the video of "player 1" included as a picture in picture (e.g. a small little screen in the corner or something) (Claim 7).
Claims 9-14 appear to be a similar thing, but with a server doing it all instead of a local machine.
I think Claims 15 and greater talk about the system that controls all of that, but that is even less clear to me.
Would like to get your thoughts on this.
Gamepur.com: It's Not The Time For PS5 And Xbox Scarlett Yet
Full article at the link.
I agree with most of what they're saying here.
Full article at the link.
I agree with most of what they're saying here.
Scorpio isn't a new generation. So it's not really comparable. And heck they "announced" new Xbox consoles coming at e3 this year. Neither company will officially announce the devices that will be their gen 9 (10?) anchors outside the year the consoles will release in, IMO. Doesn't make much sense to.
Basically *everything* here
What's wrong with more power? I hope the media doesn't go consoles are doomed route again.
Yeah. They shouldn't launch in 2019, they should launch in 2020 otherwise it will be just more power!
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Dreams and Days Gone have been ready for a while now? Huh.
I believe both are coming in 2020, but I think Xbox wants to start the race off(well, technically they already did). Playstation's response will depend on whatever Xbox shows off before the next E3. If they actually show off more about the new console, I just do not see PS remaining quiet for long.
Oh they will. Muh doomed consoles with clickbait titles will get clicks.
I also think "just" more power is enough of a reason. The only major differences between the ps4/x1 and ps3/360 are gimmicky things that very few people care about.
That got me at first. I think they mean both consoles are coming in 2020.
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Yeah, but I just didn't think the game has been ready for a while. Normally, you delay a game to polish it, not to have something available next january, especially now. Look at all the stuff that is releasing the same week as Days Gone. Why not next december, if that's the case?
Forum rumor, but supposedly AMD RTG has Zen 2 samples in house.
https://hardforum.com/threads/the-r...-has-received-its-first-zen-2-sample.1967802/
https://hardforum.com/threads/the-r...-has-received-its-first-zen-2-sample.1967802/
I don't believe the lack of leaks is a sign of the PS5 is not coming out in 2019. An example of this is Assassins Creed Odyssey. For months there were people saying there would be no Assassins Creed this year saying they have abandoned the yearly releases and the other side saying there will be one based on the previous leak of Greece and Rome being the next two titles. Usually Assassins Creed games get leaked around March or April but this year we heard nothing strengthening the side of no game this year. There was no one from the media even confirming there was going to be a game this year.
Eventually it was leaked on the end of May just 2 weeks before E3 with the key chain by some random person. Then the flood gates opened and a lot of details were leaked. Where was all the media leaking all this stuff?
I will use Kotaku for example. It says in their article rumours were floating around since January about being set in Greece and Jason said in the comments he heard it was set before Origins months before the leak. Yet him or other didn't say a thing until the May leak.
My point it we don't know what is happening behind the scenes. There could be finalised specifications and dev kits in the wild but developers could be under NDA and the media be holding back in case Sony would blacklist them from possible interviews when the console is eventually announced.
Eventually it was leaked on the end of May just 2 weeks before E3 with the key chain by some random person. Then the flood gates opened and a lot of details were leaked. Where was all the media leaking all this stuff?
I will use Kotaku for example. It says in their article rumours were floating around since January about being set in Greece and Jason said in the comments he heard it was set before Origins months before the leak. Yet him or other didn't say a thing until the May leak.
My point it we don't know what is happening behind the scenes. There could be finalised specifications and dev kits in the wild but developers could be under NDA and the media be holding back in case Sony would blacklist them from possible interviews when the console is eventually announced.
Kinda agree with everything except the last part. Media wouldn't be under NDA and Sony surely wouldn't blacklist anyone for that kind of stuff.
They'll be craving for goodwill, specially in the situation they are in as market leader while everybody loves an underdog success story.
Any other game company could blacklist, but a platform holder wouldn't.
Haha don't worry fellas, we are all dying on this hill together. I am sure we can even get a train going lol. I am not giving up until at least gdc
Seemed pretty legit when I saw it yesterday. Zen 1's engineering sample was leaked in a similar way back in 2016 as well, around this time of the year. Pretty exciting stuff.
If they reach their performance goals then an 18% IPC improvement over Zen 1 would just make Zen 2 an even sexier proposition for next-gen consoles.
I remember back in 2013, a lot of people were denying that the February meeting was going to be PS4-related right until the last minute. This came after a statement that Sony had planned to support the PS3 for another 5 years or something like that, don't remember the specifics. Plus the whole "consoles are doomed" mantra going around back then. I will say that there was some valid uncertainty with it, but that's about gone now as pretty much nobody is denying that PS5 is in the works and it's happening in the next two years.
Just to be clear, I held back on reporting that AC Odyssey was set in Greece for the same reason I'm not reporting where the *next* AC will be -- I've stopped seeing much value in spoiling game announcements just for the sake of spoiling game announcements. Unless there's some sort of broader news story or important context, we don't see much reason to just share every unannounced game we hear.
Hardware information, on the other hand, can serve readers in several ways, and if I had solid, corroborated information on any hardware, I would report it. I don't believe that a ton of people have solid information on next-gen hardware yet, because next-gen hardware is still all hypothetical, and still a ways away.
(And we don't hold back anything out of fear of blacklisting, as you can see by our relationship with Bethesda. Our priority is serving readers.)
Hardware information, on the other hand, can serve readers in several ways, and if I had solid, corroborated information on any hardware, I would report it. I don't believe that a ton of people have solid information on next-gen hardware yet, because next-gen hardware is still all hypothetical, and still a ways away.
(And we don't hold back anything out of fear of blacklisting, as you can see by our relationship with Bethesda. Our priority is serving readers.)
That sounds like they haven't even locked the specs yet... I really thought there would already be games in active development at this point.
You don't need locked specs to make games. You make educated guesses. Game development isn't an exact science.
PS4 is not even at 100 million sales yet. Sony knows that they can´t predict the exact levels of success the next PlayStation will hit, but they can be damn sure that the PS4 will continue to sell strongly for the next year and a half.
They will not be ready to set social media ablaze with the PS5 reveal. Its not as simple as people think with it being ¨Late adopters will get the PS4 still and early adopters will get the PS5¨. Its a lot more complicated than that, with people even questioning game purchases thinking there may be a PS5 version so they´ll wait.
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So, they are developing games for next generation consoles. Even though they're developing the games, they do not have development kits as the final specs are not yet decided. Because of this, Microsoft/Sony gave third parties(and probably first parties too?) an idea about the next generation console's specifications.
My guess is they told developers about the minimum they're aiming for with next gen consoles. What you said makes more sense thanks to this Pete Hines interview.
At least it makes sense to me.
If it really does perform like an 8700K, whew boy.
Thanks for stopping by. It helps even if you can confirm there's no leaks to be had.
Whoa. Thanks Benji and Jshrier for the information. Can you guys answer one question if possible.
With next gen can we expect huge jump in physics and AI over graphics or will both be the same jump?
You are way too trusting of the power of NDA's, it simply hasn't held true for the last two generations. Sony and MS are very limited to controlling leaks once multiple partners get involved, especially if the leaker has half a brain.
There is a huge difference between keeping a videogame under wraps versus an entire console, too many people are involved with a console launch for it to stay under wraps for very long, especially once documentation and dev-kits go out in force.
How about the controller features? They could have finalized on the control schemes for third party to design their games.
As someone who likes to budget things far in advance, I definitely appreciate your stance on this. Thanks for all you do Jason!
Got a feeling we won't get early leaks like we did with PS4. Sony and MS will lock down the leaks for as long as possible.
And if the console has a light strip that turns blue when it's on (like they promised in promo materials!)... I really wish they'd make the colour customisable on PS4 but that's a bit late now.
Not a chance. Fancy lights features on a console is going to cost money. Unless its part of a system function like the light bar on dual shock 4. But pretty lights for just the sake if pretty lights? nope.
Is the console chip going to be the same design but clocked lower? If so, whew indeed.
Zen has been the same design used in different configurations with some parts turned on or off (and some minor differences in cache quantities and hierarchies here and there) for the various usage tiers, from ULV mobile stuff to server parts. Zen 2 will probably follow a similar principle.
Good point about the cache quantities. Thanks.
I can't wait to see what devs do with that juice when they get their hands on it. :o
Back when PS4 was revealed, PR were saying they don't see the PS4 lifecycle being as long.
Nobody can tell what will happen that far in advance so it's pointless.
We will get plenty of leaks when devs get their hands on those dev kits. It happens all the time and there's nothing Sony and MS can do about it.
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Interesting, seems a certain someone has deleted all posts about 2020 being the launch year / there not being any dev kits out there. What does it mean *thinkingfaceemoji*
Probably said more than should. Now Sony's Ninja are all over him. Stay strong Benji ! Their blades can hurt your body, but not your generous soul!