Yeah, but DS Lite was just a change in aesthetics, right? The hardware inside was the same...
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New Switch model coming in second half of 2019, reports Japanese WSJ
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Yeah, but DS Lite was just a change in aesthetics, right? The hardware inside was the same...
I think with the rumours centring on the screen it could be a little bigger, a bit like the DSlite->DSi and 3DS->New 3DS, they could add ⅓ or ½ an inch without covering the entirety of the surface.
It depends on the VRAM (video memory), the clock rate (processing speed) and throughput (the bandwidth, or the max number of highway traffic lanes) of the chipset in the theoretical X2. If it's the same as the current spec, don't expect a lot of improvements (30FPS -> 60FPS).
It was 3 years between PS4 and PS4 Pro, 2 years between Xbox One and Xbox One X iirc. I don't think it would be unusual to see Nintendo hasten their hardware cycles. Especially on a portable, which competes more directly with the constantly moving mobile space.
No, I 6dont think so anyway. At best, it'll play the games at the game's max resolution more
Yeah, that's what I'm expecting. And hopefully a bump to 1080p so alongside the spec bump, games can run at least as well as they currently do in docked mocked. Plus a new docked mode with a third tier of performance for the new Switch only, so there would be handheld mode (current Switch only), current docked mode (current Switch docked/New Switch undocked) and new docked (new Switch only).
Drop current Switch to $200.
Switch Pro $300. Higher resolution screen/smaller bezels. Larger internal memory. Higher quality build materials/premium feel. Slightly faster processor/GPU similar to new 3DS so current games will get resolution bump and increased performance. Metroid Prime 4 reveal trailer taking full advantage of new power. Nintendo will mandate that all new games work on both original and new Switch. Current joy-cons will be compatible.
Switch Pro $300. Higher resolution screen/smaller bezels. Larger internal memory. Higher quality build materials/premium feel. Slightly faster processor/GPU similar to new 3DS so current games will get resolution bump and increased performance. Metroid Prime 4 reveal trailer taking full advantage of new power. Nintendo will mandate that all new games work on both original and new Switch. Current joy-cons will be compatible.
I know it's not a confirmation or anything, but I guess I'll just wait and see if the new Switch comes out. If so, I'll definitely buy one.
I'm in no hurry to buy a Switch. It already has a lot of games I want for it. Unfortunately I am broke, so it's not like I can buy one right now.
I'm in no hurry to buy a Switch. It already has a lot of games I want for it. Unfortunately I am broke, so it's not like I can buy one right now.
A 50 quid drop is more ideal than a 100 quid drop. You're talking about a $130 USD MSRP drop, which is nigh impossible for it to happen.
It will be compatible with the normal joycons same as the Switch is compatible with the pro controller, wirelessly. But the controllers it comes with will be built in, not detachable.
Not getting all the games on it? Just saying I don't need a new one because it may not be moddable.
Did the PS4 Pro bother you? Because it was BASICALLY the exact same time frame.
Absolutely not. The max performance gain you would see while maintaining the same power use is 2x. Which is not going to allow you to push 2.25x the pixels at double the framerate.
More realistically IF they use the newer tegra they will probably downlock it to the same performance threshold and just reap the massive battery life benefits. Although I would love to get 2x the performance.
I mean the hardware they're debating could even be the screen resolution for all we know. Or the size of the bezels, or the size of the battery.
I just think a pro model doesn't make business sense right now. Unless it's simply an upgraded screen resolution that can run in docked mode clocks while undocked I don't see them pushing developers into making a third (or even fourth) power target so soon. Power isn't the biggest hurdle in getting AAA games on the system, ROI and card costs/storage capacity currently are (seemingly according to some insiders and developers). So I don't see what they gain with a pro model so soon which disrupts development from their partners.
On the other hand a cheaper model is exactly what they desperately need right now. They've been trying essentially all year to get the kids/family market on board and it isn't working out like they expected (I assume, judging by Labo and general hardware sales). We'll see if that changes over the holiday season but $300 is just still a bit too big of a pill to swallow to really capture that 3DS market. A cheaper revision with a die shrink, without the fan, with a smaller battery, and maybe even without the dock can cost closer to $250 or even less next year, and really start having success in that handheld market.
I don't really claim to know all that much and I personally would probably rather have a beefier Switch but I just think we've seen this song and dance a lot and what usually ends up being the case is that Nintendo will do what is in their best interests to sell as much hardware and software as they can. I don't see a pro really making a big dent there but a cheaper model certainly would.
i have a question assuming they use a tegra x2
If this new switch has additional processing power as well as a better screen would older game automatically play better? like on mobile phones?
or would they need to be updated to take advantage like on ps4 pro?
If this new switch has additional processing power as well as a better screen would older game automatically play better? like on mobile phones?
or would they need to be updated to take advantage like on ps4 pro?
All I want is a better kickstand, chargers on top so I can charge my switch while it is kickstanded, and just better build quality overall. My switch has a dead pixel, and I feel like the touch screen sucks.
There will be pushbacks, because you lose a 2nd player controller out-of-the-box, and Nintendo is focusing on giving the game devs many options, not retracting 1/3 of all the options away from us.
Case for Switch Lite:
- Nintendo wants something cheaper to replace the 3DS for children and budget gamers
- Potential cut could be the screen to have a stationary console
- Not very much else they can cut. Joy-cons will almost certainly need to be compatible due to software and also just established accessory market. Bluetooth, Wifi, Storage are necessary.
- Takes away a large advantage of the Switch
- Nintendo will want to keep hardware momentum
- Perhaps possible to gracefully improve games using different profiles (undocked, docked and Pro)
- Potential VR expansion
- Retain the same basic shape for compatibility with Joy-Cons
- Potentially costly
- Quick and Easy
- Potential to reduce manufacture costs while improving product slightly
- Potential missed opportunity for something bigger
mmm good point.
i wonder if they would do a $100 drop? still to much isn't it?
I'm not sure you thought this through. Like I am asking practically. How and where do they fit the rail for the joycon to slide on and charge?
3 years for PS4 -> PS4 Pro and 4 years for Xbox One -> Xbox One X. All I'm saying is that these companies are going to end up pissing customers off if they keep pushing out new hardware too quickly. I'm not saying it should be 6 years between new hardware, but I think there's definitely a sweet spot that you need to hit and being too aggressive will push past people's tolerance. 2 years seems a bit soon to me. I understand Nintendo has done it before on the handheld side of things, but those were sub-$200 devices. I think perception changes once you start getting into hardware that is $300 and above. Just my opinion, though.
In other words, a souped up 3ds, not a switch. Non detachable controllers automatically makes it incompatible with some games and the idea of a handheld only switch literally defeats the switch concept.
I doubt they are just abandoning the hybrid because some want them too. It's what got switch to where it is. Expect a 1080p display and slightly beefed up hardware, more akin to a new Nintendo 3ds
Yes, too much, considering the OG Switch is out for 2 years by then (March 3, 2019 is exactly 2 years old).
Just look at what Erista has and what Parker/Xavier have, and the kind of demos they used to show them and so forth.
And the "It can't have Xavier tech or beyond" is honestly nonsense. Assuming it uses one of the now new 12/10nm processes, the main factor that decides the cost is the size of the chip, and not the micro architecture it contains.
In docked mode, it could perfectly be in the ballpark of XBOX One with a better CPU. In portable mode, not yet. If the chip were 7nm, then there would be somewhat of an extra, but 7nm is more far-fetched and somewhat unrealistic.
Many Switch games use dynamic resolution and those would see automatic gains, yes. Framerate performance would automatically improve too, though not above whatever the game was originally capped at.
If I got:
Docked performance in handheld mode.
Better battery life (for certain modes).
Better quality (720p) screen.
HDR in docked mode.
I would be over the moon.
Docked performance in handheld mode.
Better battery life (for certain modes).
Better quality (720p) screen.
HDR in docked mode.
I would be over the moon.
So you want a Switch upgrade to output 4k when Switch can (barely) output 720p with a consistent fps, how much powerful do you think Switch should be to be able to output "4k" compared to Xbox One and PS4 and their said "mid-gen upgrade"? How much of delusional are you folks. No, really?!
This post proves it'll be hard to satisfy even the majority of the player base right now... It's so fragmented.
Ugh. I wouldn't expect much difference at all. Maybe some QoL improvements? Better kickstand, brighter screen. Like this will be more of a Xbox One -> Xbox One S style improvement more than anything. That's how Nintendo revises their hardware, especially this early. I can even see it be called the Switch S or something like that. But expecting exclusive games or substantially more power? That ain't happening.
People just wanted to escape the reality that we are in right now.So you want a Switch upgrade to output 4k when Switch can (barely) output 720p with a consistent fps, how much powerful do you think Switch should be to be able to output "4k" compared to Xbox One and PS4 and their said "mid-gen upgrade"? How much of delusional are you folks. No, really?!
Not sure why people think it can't come with smaller joycons? Can't all joycons be compatible with all switch revisions via bluetooth?
So the mini joycons could be use in tabletop mode or console mode on a regular switch?
When you think about it the possibilities are quite endless, there could very well be close to a dozen Switch revisions on the market at one time, if we assume 5-6 Switch SKUs (between regular/pocket/Pro/other variations) and another 5-6 Switch 2 models (regular/pocket/Pro/other again) down the road.
So the mini joycons could be use in tabletop mode or console mode on a regular switch?
When you think about it the possibilities are quite endless, there could very well be close to a dozen Switch revisions on the market at one time, if we assume 5-6 Switch SKUs (between regular/pocket/Pro/other variations) and another 5-6 Switch 2 models (regular/pocket/Pro/other again) down the road.
****ing glad.
It was just a question of when and I have already decided to get the not-yet-announced-but-sure-to-be-made Animal Crossing Switch after I saw the Pokemon Go special edition.
When the new AC was announced I quickly thought to myself:
"Well if I am going to buy a new Nintendo Switch I sure do hope the revision is out by then".
It was just a question of when and I have already decided to get the not-yet-announced-but-sure-to-be-made Animal Crossing Switch after I saw the Pokemon Go special edition.
When the new AC was announced I quickly thought to myself:
"Well if I am going to buy a new Nintendo Switch I sure do hope the revision is out by then".
This is what I feel is going to happen too.
Though IMO the price drop will be in the $50-60 range rather than $100.
I'm of the same opinion. Xbox One -> Xbox One S style of revision is a good point of comparison.
Going from 720p30 to 1080p60 is over a 4x jump. The X2 is only 1.5x faster than the X1 though, at least at full speed. Now, if they could get proportionally more clock speed out of the X2 for the Switch compared to the X1 in the Switch, the increase in performance could be higher. But I wouldn't expect anything close to 4x.
Ballpark being the key word. Max performance of known Tegra mobile chips is 756Gflops even assuming Nvidia has secretly been working on a custom Switch Pro chip I doubt it would exceed 1TF.
However same as the X1 theoretical performance was 500Gflops the actual chip ended up being ~400 docked so expect a similar decrease in order to maintain consistent performance in the thermal and power threshold required. A bigger upgrade would be changing to A72 CPU cores which would actually put it slightly above the PS4/X1 in single core perf (albeit with less cores assuming they maintain the same setup) while using less power.
Unless Nintendo is also going to start selling mini hands for people I don't see how joycons can get any smaller and still be comfortable to use.
I'd put more money on a Lite than a Pro but there is still many features they could add to a would-be Lite that would appeal to me.
Question I would have is if they change the form factor would they do anything to try and make it backward compatible with existing docks.
Question I would have is if they change the form factor would they do anything to try and make it backward compatible with existing docks.
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