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AztecComplex

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he is not wrong. basically all entertainment companies, be it netflix, disney or nintendo are competing for time.
Exactly. And this is why I need your Switch to have Netflix, for fuck's sakes Nintendo! You're competing for my time so give me a reason to keep my Switch for a trip instead of an iPad by giving it Netflix when I don't feel like packing two tablets!

It's embarrassing that the Wii and WiiU had the damn app and yet the Switch still doesn't in a world where the Vita does have Netflix.
 

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You know what also is always with people when they play their Switch? The Switch.

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This is particularly true when the Switch has such a different form and use case than the other consoles.

Like I use my Switch in handheld mode 95% of the time, which means I'm using it mainly when travelling or waiting. It doesn't compete with my PS4 or PC at all; it's competing with my Kindle and my phone
 

Niceguydan8

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Still disagree, honestly. They make, develop, and sell Video Games. Playsation and Xbox are competitors regardless of whether or not they choose to recognize them as such(failure to seems like a bad idea, though.)

That's pretty surface level though. Entertainment avenues (video games, sports, movies, books, etc.) all compete for time with each other. There is only a certain amount of time you have of leisure each day and pretty much all of your hobbies are competing with each other for that time.
 

DangerMouse

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Voice chat via smartphone, he is basically saying "we do different just for the sake of being different" and that's actually a bad thing imo.
Why chose to have a worse experience on your platform.
LOL, this made me laugh especially hard since I said the exact same thing "different for the sake being different, and for the worse" out loud to myself, right after reading that quote, just before I got to start reading through the posts in the thread, lmao.
 

requiem

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Exactly. And this is why I need your Switch to have Netflix, for fuck's sakes Nintendo! You're competing for my time so give me a reason to keep my Switch for a trip instead of an iPad by giving it Netflix when I don't feel like packing two tablets!

It's embarrassing that the Wii and WiiU had the damn app and yet the Switch still doesn't in a world where the Vita does have Netflix.
Not to mention the fucking 3DS had Netflix!

Reggie is right. I never got to play AC: Origins as Horizon and BOTW kept me busy for nearly the whole year. By the time I was ready to play it, other games I wanted to play a little more just kept releasing.
 

massoluk

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Still disagree, honestly. They make, develop, and sell Video Games. Playsation and Xbox are competitors regardless of whether or not they choose to recognize them as such(failure to seems like a bad idea, though.)
Meh, the fact that their subsidiary manages the world's biggest media franchise while includes be movies, cartoon, toys, and no.1 tcg entitled them to call themselves Entertainment company if you ask me.
 

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This thread title is misleading. For once I thought this was coming from Shuntaro Furokawa, but it's actually Reggie... phew.
Anyway, Reggie is being delusional, as always. No matter what he thinks, Nintendo IS competing against Sony and Microsoft, they can't run away from it. They're fighting for the same market, same third-party support, same business. It's no secret why 70% of Switch's userbase are also PS4 owners and multiplat tiles for both systems are now a common thing. In Japan some are even outselling their PS4 counterpart. This is not like Wii when Nintendo was trying to differentiate themselves completely from the rest of the market.
Nintendo have different approaches from competition? Sure, but saying "we aren't competing" sounds both out of touch with the market, as well defeatist, it gives that idea that Nintendo can't win, which sounds bullshit.
Nintendo IS competing against both Sony and Microsoft at this point - with good results so far. Denying this is a strawmen.
 

Imitatio

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Wow, Reggie at it again with those answers that practically tell us nothing or at least nothing new.

Everything multimedia is competing with each other for my time and especially for my money. But let's face it, there are inherently different types of entertainment (shockingly enough), of which some stand in more direct competition than others. If I want to watch a movie, I don't care that it takes away from my Switch, as I'm not willing or in the mood for games and would rather passively consume the movie. There is no real competition there, the type of entertainment I'm looking for doesn't match what the Switch offers, even though they share the two same resources time and money.
If I want to interactively experience something though, there are a bunch of ways to do that. Switch, PS4, Xbox One, 3DS, Smartphone, PC... All of them compete for the same resources in the same type of entertainment.
 

Xx 720

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Time wise, it helps that I can play switch away from home, and I'm lucky enough to have down time to play. I frequently wind up not finishing games as I don't always have time at home with other stuff I have to do.
 

Slam Tilt

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Nintendo IS competing against both Sony and Microsoft at this point - with good results so far. Denying this is a strawmen.
I don't think Reggie is denying it so much as he's saying he sees the Nintendo/Sony/Microsoft fight as one part of a bigger arena.

That might also be why they're in no rush to get more non-gaming apps for the Switch; if you've got 20 minutes free and you're sitting down with your Switch, they'd rather you spend that limited time playing games (and ultimately finishing the game, buying new games, and giving more money to Nintendo in a roundabout way) than watching House of Cards. They don't mind if Netflix is on the Switch or not -- but they're not going to bend backwards to get it.
 

Mexen

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Look what we did, gamers. Companies do not want to associate themselves with us anymore. They are now entertainment companies because that does not make casuals cringe.
Well done, guys. We did it.
 

Hzsn724

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If you want to be seen as an entertainment company instead of a gaming company, then offer more entertainment on your gaming platform rather than just games.

Why can't I rent movies, watch youtube, Skype, write a paper, surf the web, draw or paint, read news/books/Twitter/facebook, watch Netflix.......... On the Switch?

This is first a game console and second a tablet with connected controllers. They could be offering so much more entertainment than they are and it could even help shape the company's vision by allowing people to engage in various forms of entertainment on the go.

I watch Hulu non stop on my switch. It's amazing to take live TV with me anywhere I can get online.
 

AztecComplex

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Not to mention the fucking 3DS had Netflix!

Reggie is right. I never got to play AC: Origins as Horizon and BOTW kept me busy for nearly the whole year. By the time I was ready to play it, other games I wanted to play a little more just kept releasing.
Goddamn I forgot the 3DS has netflix too.

So the 3DS, Wii, WiiU, and Vita all have Netflix and not the hot new console the Switch. Pathetic.
 

Medalion

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Well President... that's why you're not Number one across the world.
You need to stop ignoring your competition and take it ... DIRECTLY.. to them
 

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Saying that Reggie is "Nintendo president" is quite misleading considering that he's just the one for NOA. Nintendo president is Furukawa.

Sorry, just a minor grip. lol
 

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Goddamn I forgot the 3DS has netflix too.

So the 3DS, Wii, WiiU, and Vita all have Netflix and not the hot new console the Switch. Pathetic.

And do you know what the Switch also have? Hulu, Niconico and in the future, a app for comics. It's clear that the problem isn't Nintendo when more companies are entering the console.
 

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Meh, the fact that their subsidiary manages the world's biggest media franchise while includes be movies, cartoon, toys, and no.1 tcg entitled them to call themselves Entertainment company if you ask me.

Being an Entertainment company doesn't mean they don't compete with Sony and Microsoft. They're competitors regardless of whether Nintendo acknowledge it or not.
 

samred

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Saying that Reggie is "Nintendo president" is quite misleading considering that he's just the one for NOA. Nintendo president is Furukawa.

Sorry, just a minor grip. lol

"Nintendo President" fits in the headline, he's identified specifically as NoA President/COO through rest of article. (Source: I wrote it.)

A coupl'a things didn't fit into the article: that he specifically cited Dragalia Lost as a new IP in the mobile space, but didn't give the same namechecks to newer console IP like Splatoon and Arms; and that pretty much nobody in the crowd knew who he was. (This was primarily a networking and resume-sharing smorgasbord for new tech companies, with executives from Boeing, eBay, and other regional tech companies.) The Geekwire reps on hand were clearly on Team Reggie with shouts like "my body is ready," which confused pretty much everyone other than me.
 

nib95

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This comment was bafflingly inept.

Fils-Aime did not answer this question and instead offered his take on why the service relies on a smartphone app for voice communication: "Nintendo's approach is to do things differently. We have a much different suite of experiences than our competitors offer, and we do that in a different way. This creates a sort of yin and yang for our consumers. They're excited about cloud saves and legacy content but wish we might deliver voice chat a different way, for example."

"What we see is a situation where we know that Nintendo Switch is being played in the open, at a park, on a metro bus," he continued. "We believe the easiest way for you to connect and have a peer-to-peer experience with voice chat is with your mobile phone. It's always there, it's always with you."


So according to Reggie, the easiest way to voice chat isn't using the device you're actually gaming on for an easier and more cohesive experience, but using a seperate device altogether, because reasons....the irony is they could simply offer both options, mobile phone app voice chat and in OS voice chat. The latter is obviously orders of magnitude more convenient and sophisticated for when you have Wi-Fi or an Internet connection.

On these aspects, comparative to the competition Reggie/Nintendo seem out of touch and archaic both in belief and implementation.
 
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jviggy43

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If you're competing for time how is it that you arent in a roundabout way competing with two consoles also vying for your time? And that's ignoring the financial outlook that absolutely would suggest the two compete with you. Just such a stupid thing to say no matter how you spin it.
 

carlosrox

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It's annoying for him to say "we recognize what you want but won't do it just because" on stuff like the voice chat though. I'm not even clamoring for the feature myself but I'd use a better solution probably, I'm paying for their online now, and many others really want it.

Almost sounds like, intentionally tone deaf.


Stuff that is within your power, that people want/want to pay for, just give it. They can feign ignorance on some things but flat out saying they know we want it and being like fuck that we're different isn't cool.


Come on Reg/Nintendo.
 

Ushojax

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Iwata always said this. That Nintendo is not competing with rival hardware makers but competing with movies, TV, books, etc. Competing for people's leisure time.
 

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Well atleast that is semi-confirmation that Smash Bros Ultimate's online infrastructure will be just as dogshit as Wii U and Brawls.
 

bane833

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This sounds a lot like "We don't compete directly with Sony and Microsoft so we shouldn't be held to the same industry standards like anybody else!" to me.
 

Qikz

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Genuine question, do people actually go through the hassle of trying to play multiplayer games off their mobile data connection?

My data limit and phone battery weep at the thought. Not to mention the inevitable lag...

There was a period where I didn't have internet and this was all I did. There was very little lag at all as long as you have a good 4G connection. Doesn't use much data either!
 

TheMoon

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the idea behind this statement is over 10 years old

2007: https://www.ign.com/articles/2007/07/11/e3-2007-nintendo-e3-media-briefing-live-blog
10:15 a.m. Miyamoto, Trinen leave the stage. Reggie speaks.
10:16 a.m.: "Minute by minute, we intend to steal more of that [leisure] time," he says, noting that people have many entertainment options at their disposal, from iPods to movies.

2009: https://www.fastcompany.com/1307008/nintendos-innovation-console-qa-reggie-fils-aime
No, it is about chasing. We respect all of our competitors, and when I talk about our competitors, all of our competitors for entertainment time and leisure time. So for us it's all about getting more and more people into this category, and as we do that at the same time providing them more and more compelling experiences, so that more of their leisure time is spent on gaming.

2012: https://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/14/one-on-one-nintendo/
Q.
So you acknowledge, then, that your competition goes beyond game consoles? There's Amazon, Apple and all these players who make set-top boxes.

A.
We've always viewed our competitors in a broader entertainment landscape because we compete for time. I compete for your time minute by minute. Getting a consumer to spend time with us doing a combination of fitness and fun builds our brand and builds our business.

this has always been their stance.

bad headline, extremely not new
 

test_account

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You know what also is always with people when they play their Switch? The Switch.
I was thinking the same thing hehe. If you're going to use voice chat on the go while playing the Switch as well, of course you have the Switch with you too, not just the phone.


Its an old stance indeed, but whats bad about the headline? Its what Reggie claimed in a recent interview.