Didn't they say Jedi Fallen Order was targeting Holiday 2019 release? I wonder if it was meant to be a PS5 launch title. I highly doubt it would've hit that but if PS5 is 2020 now it could probably still launch with the console.
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PS5 and next Xbox launch speculation - Post E3 2018
- Thread starter Phoenix Splash
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So as mentioned before 2019 was in the cards for Sony (q4 2019 I assume).
Now if some things are not lining up, they could hypothetically move it to q1/q2 2020 instead of all the way to q4 2020.
But if Microsoft is releasing in q4 2020, there is only a small gap between consoles, and there maybe is a group that wants next gen but waits a little longer and gets the new xbox vs playstation.
There is a difference between waiting one year or 6 months. Psychologically too, 2019 vs 2020 (I have to wait till next year) or 2020 vs 2020 (I have to wait later in the year).
I hope this rambling made sense.
Basically even if Sony could launch in Q1/Q2 2020, they may wait to Q4 to match Xbox.
Now if some things are not lining up, they could hypothetically move it to q1/q2 2020 instead of all the way to q4 2020.
But if Microsoft is releasing in q4 2020, there is only a small gap between consoles, and there maybe is a group that wants next gen but waits a little longer and gets the new xbox vs playstation.
There is a difference between waiting one year or 6 months. Psychologically too, 2019 vs 2020 (I have to wait till next year) or 2020 vs 2020 (I have to wait later in the year).
I hope this rambling made sense.
Basically even if Sony could launch in Q1/Q2 2020, they may wait to Q4 to match Xbox.
Yup, Holiday 2019. They also compared it to Force Unleashed, which is exactly the type of title that could really make use of next-generation hardware. Benji said they were previously targeting 2019 for PS5 and I think there's other signs that indicate that, which lines up perfectly with the game's target launch window. If next generation is getting pushed back a little bit into 2020 I bet the game is getting delayed as well.
As cool as Benji is, I'll be waiting for a C-boat tier insider before I start believing hearsay on a forum. As far as I'm concerned, 2019 will be the year. I believe...
Q1 2020 would be a weird time - even if it's no longer as weird as it used to be.
At the end of the day, next-gen will start off very similarly to this-gen. 90-99% of 3rd-party software will be cross-gen, and there'll be a small, but sufficient amount of next-gen games, not enough to be "wow what a launch", but enough to sell the console robustly in the first few months.
Nowadays, many games are releasing in Q1 anyway, so there's always enough games to have a robust product launch, but Q1 is also quite many months far separated from the games that don't get delayed like FIFA, Madden, CoD, Battlefield, etc.
At the end of the day, next-gen will start off very similarly to this-gen. 90-99% of 3rd-party software will be cross-gen, and there'll be a small, but sufficient amount of next-gen games, not enough to be "wow what a launch", but enough to sell the console robustly in the first few months.
Nowadays, many games are releasing in Q1 anyway, so there's always enough games to have a robust product launch, but Q1 is also quite many months far separated from the games that don't get delayed like FIFA, Madden, CoD, Battlefield, etc.
Then how can they garauntee they will be the most powerful system? Are they going to subsidize it THAT much?
But Microsoft already said 2020 and Sony has no reason to rush with their last two holidays being their best. 2019 will be the year of what?
Dont get too ambitious with your plans.
They can't and they won't.
Trying to be the most powerful system while sacrificing everything else, is basically a suicidal act. I do not expect MS to be stupid enough to actually go along with the wishes of ERA.
Just as MS isn't going to actually stop having console generations.
Microsoft say a lot of things, but their actions very rarely match their marketing.
Since we're on the topic of power now, I'll just add one final piece to really upset the people that love spending time speculating in this thread.
The XB1 and PS4 launched a week apart in 2013. They had identical CPUs, similar GPUs, and Sony included better RAM.
That was with Microsoft foolishly focusing on the Kinect and thus dedicating less resources to the actual gaming hardware.
With both consoles being gaming focused machines this time I expect them to turn out even more similar than they did in 2013. The Digital Foundry comparisons could very well be incredibly boring next gen. AMD only has so many CPU/GPU options to offer these two companies in their tight $400 budgets.
So yeah, not only are we two years away from them launching, they're probably not even going to be very different at all in terms of raw horsepower.
The XB1 and PS4 launched a week apart in 2013. They had identical CPUs, similar GPUs, and Sony included better RAM.
That was with Microsoft foolishly focusing on the Kinect and thus dedicating less resources to the actual gaming hardware.
With both consoles being gaming focused machines this time I expect them to turn out even more similar than they did in 2013. The Digital Foundry comparisons could very well be incredibly boring next gen. AMD only has so many CPU/GPU options to offer these two companies in their tight $400 budgets.
So yeah, not only are we two years away from them launching, they're probably not even going to be very different at all in terms of raw horsepower.
I think he just bought a One X and is trying to validate his purchase
If Sony was going to launch in the holiday 2019 my prediction would be Mark Cerny has designed this PS5:
8 cores/16 threads 3ghz Ryzen CPU
Custom Vega 56 7nm
16GB GDDR6
+500gb/s bandwich
I just can't see navi at all on a console in 2019. MS is certainly going to aim for more power in 2020 but not by much as it would be very expensive.
8 cores/16 threads 3ghz Ryzen CPU
Custom Vega 56 7nm
16GB GDDR6
+500gb/s bandwich
I just can't see navi at all on a console in 2019. MS is certainly going to aim for more power in 2020 but not by much as it would be very expensive.
They'll both be 2020.
On the very very odd chance they go with 2021, I'll expect they must be prepping an absolute monster of a console.
The lack of options in terms of hardware advancements in recent years, means this was always going to happen.
From the beginning, my argument for 2020 had always been the need to get the 1st party software ready. In the end the differentiation was never power, but how good the games are. Power helps, but it is just a peripheral element that affect the games. The console is just the delivery method for the software. You don't play consoles, you play games.
Seriously, how are we going to survive another 2 years, lol. Part 1 and 2 of this thread already have over 1.2 million views combined, and then there are also countless other, smaller next-gen threads. The thirst is real.
If PS5 releases in Fall 2020, that would mean PS4 will be 7 years old by then, same as PS3 when PS4 came out. Idk, the long wait for PS4/X1 was already tough for gamers, and now Sony is making us wait again this long?
If PS5 releases in Fall 2020, that would mean PS4 will be 7 years old by then, same as PS3 when PS4 came out. Idk, the long wait for PS4/X1 was already tough for gamers, and now Sony is making us wait again this long?
My advice would be to just enjoy the good times we're experiencing right now. We've got incredible games coming out everywhere you look.
If you don't already have a PS4 Pro or XB1X I'd recommend getting one, as it will at least give you a taste of what's to come.
Sounds great. Having such similar consoles will make games development across multiple SKUs that much cheaper and easier, and they'll still be differentiated by exclusive IPs.
Hope you're not too disappointed or anything.
Seriously this. We just had spiderman, we're going to be getting red dead now. On a tangential thought, it is amazing how in six months I went from "of course Bethesda will have an elder scrolls or new IP this gen!" To now being more surprised if those things actually didn't happen on ps5
Nah, we're just going to go back to super convoluted and exotic secret sauces.
I kid of course lol
This is simply the way it has to be. We have ran out of quick and easy ways to make game consoles stronger. And on software side, the develop time of AAA games are getting longer and longer.
At it currently stands, many AAA studios are struggling as it is to release two games of the same franchise for PS4/XB1. There was the complaint that Elder Scrolls will never have a new entry in PS4, when there were two of them for PS3. Bethesda announcing Starfield and TESVI early was both to stop people asking for them, and likely because they know they need to get working sooner to actually finish them on time for next gen.
Really, we don't so much needing new machines, as needing some magical undiscovered way to produce games faster.
BREAKING: PS5 Powered By Perfect Cell CPU And Some 1050Tis That Fell Off The Back Of A Truck
They're working on this via AI/procedural generation, right?
It could, but there's an extra 3 months to get the 'next-gen SKU' which will be the same game. At that point, it's in a weird limbo where it's close enough time till next Aug/Sep, where next year's version will be available, so it dilutes the appeal of having sports games at launch.
We have two examples of AAA games that tried it. Horizon: Zero Dawn and Mass Effect Andromeda.
Horizon only used it to generate environmental terrain, which they then alter to suit the needs of the game by hand. But it is still faster than doing everything by hand.
Mass Effect Andromeda tried to generate entire planets worth of terrain. Basically something similar to what No Man's Sky was claiming to do. The attempt failed and they had to scrap the whole thing, causing the scope of the game to shrink massively.
Personally, I am of the opinion that there is such a thing as too much fine detail in games. There is too much work wasted, while not enough benefits was coming out of it. I am not saying good graphics is unnecessary, but when gameplay itself suffers because of it, it is time to re-evaluate the priorities of the project.
this .
but they will have differences , playstation want to push VR also , who knows maybe special hardware to go portable ( obviously not included in 399 )
the price point will be the game here, if MS decide to launch along side sony with 399 or matching price with playstation, then it's all down to games and features.
if Ms decide to go for more powerful machine , then they might be holiday 2020 ( after playstation ).
i don't think sony will wait for 2020 because next gen need to be announced and sony mention when they release ps4 and pro, they want to announce and release the hardware within a year or short time frame. also 3 years hardware refreshment is real.
its not like " why wait until 2020 " , its more likely their plan thus they didn't announce any games. of course this all can change but so far i can't see any solid rule outs.
no leaks make everything open .
for the games , ms already announced next xbox, so 3rd party can show off their games and mention next gen , sony don't want to be left out , that's why i believe they will hold a meeting at feb or march 2019 just like for ps4 . that will make them to be available to include ps5 in next gen game reveal on e3 2019.
in my opinion , pro and x shows that small power advantage won't make big differences in gamers mind, it not like ps4 and xbox one where they struggle to hit 1080p but now 1080p is default and 4k is the thing but most games don't have 4k tv yet.
next gen is where they upgrade and 4k will be standard. i don't want to talk about frame rate as it is subject to games and developer.
I really think people are underestimating how much Sony and MS going customise there consoles .
Yes i don't expect the power to be to far apart if they come out the same time but i bet there going to be difference that make things interesting .
I also don't expect games to take so long to come out also .
1. Most of the engines going to carry over into next gen and easier to upgrade them .
2. Unlike this gen 3rd parties going to jump in faster this also talking about Japan .
3. For Sony they are expanding there teams for next gen .
EDIT also i expect that a lot of games people playing will get patch and make moving from this gen to next faster .
That along with BC .
Yes i don't expect the power to be to far apart if they come out the same time but i bet there going to be difference that make things interesting .
I also don't expect games to take so long to come out also .
1. Most of the engines going to carry over into next gen and easier to upgrade them .
2. Unlike this gen 3rd parties going to jump in faster this also talking about Japan .
3. For Sony they are expanding there teams for next gen .
EDIT also i expect that a lot of games people playing will get patch and make moving from this gen to next faster .
That along with BC .
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With AMD launching their 7nm products soon, I don't think this applies here. They could release stronger consoles in 2019.
I agree that AAA game development takes longer, but why do you think that console generations should be long(er) because of that?
As someone that has attended shareholder meetings and management strategy meets at various institutions, I will tell you that there is always immense pressure from shareholders to see a return in investment.
There is always an understanding that each cent lost from the operating capital has to come back for that operating capital to get to where it was, and then for it to grow. You are not only giving up a dividend on a single year....it is a long term play that has to pan out.
They will know what tech is available and what it costs. Do you go for GDDR6 or HBM? It is a pricing issue.
I think a 2019 nextgen console will be received very lukewarm. I dont think people will freak out about crossgen games at all and this games are first and foremost made for current gen and its limits.
A new console has to impress. Just saying you can play some of your games in 4k is not a breaking selling point anymore. Why get a PS5 for lets say Star Wars Jedi Fallen Order, when i can get a XboxOneX and have almost the same exprience and a higher Res too?
Alot of people here saying that 2019 needs to happen but i havent seen a good reason why yet. I dont see one yet. Like other have said, games taking longer and longer to produce.
Do you want more of this full price early access games like we are already starting to get this Gen?
And i dont get excited anymore about some fancy tech demos or games that are 3+ years away
A new console has to impress. Just saying you can play some of your games in 4k is not a breaking selling point anymore. Why get a PS5 for lets say Star Wars Jedi Fallen Order, when i can get a XboxOneX and have almost the same exprience and a higher Res too?
Alot of people here saying that 2019 needs to happen but i havent seen a good reason why yet. I dont see one yet. Like other have said, games taking longer and longer to produce.
Do you want more of this full price early access games like we are already starting to get this Gen?
And i dont get excited anymore about some fancy tech demos or games that are 3+ years away
Fingers crossed that the Horizon approach keeps getting improved further and further, then.
Jedi Fallen Order will probably get a proper showing at Star Wars Celebration in April 2019 and no its not a Nextgen game lol
Its just EA being EA with their current marketing approaches and coy reveals.
And Lucasfilm has their hand on that too when it comes to reveals etc
Its just EA being EA with their current marketing approaches and coy reveals.
And Lucasfilm has their hand on that too when it comes to reveals etc
Reading back through some Cerny patents due to a reddit thread. This one includes an AMD senior fellow and basically calls out primitive shaders.
https://patents.justia.com/patent/20140362081
https://patents.justia.com/patent/20140362081
Because if console generations staying the same length has before, while games taking longer to come out, you end up with less games overall per generation.
It is simply mathematical reality. Buying a game console is just a way to play games. But now that games are releasing slower, it means the actual quantity of games you get to play on a machine decreases.
It isn't the console's fault. I agree that technically game development time shouldn't affect console generation length. But people do get grumpy when they realise a new console is going to have less games on it in its lifetime than it used to.
Stronger but not much stronger. There is no more major leaps and bounds left for current tech. Even 7nm itself come with restrictions that wasn't there before with prior die shrinks. It's not that there aren't options, there are just no easy or cheap options remaining.
This is going to happen no matter what .
yes part of the reason is games taking longer to make but another big reason is everyone is moving to GaaS.
We going to get less games each gen not matter what happens if we talking about AAA.
Still one of the good sides to this is games are more full of content that ever before.
I don't think this would happen. Next-gen success is basically on autopilot imo, they would need to fuck up badly for this to happen. I think launch hype will be on the same level or even bigger than PS4, and they will be sold out for months. Games also were mostly cross-gen during the start of this generation.
60fps + stuff like improved lighting would be a good reason to get a next-gen console instead.
That argument only generates 1 in 5 new console sold being the mid-gen upgrade versions.
It has always been the case, that those who really care about graphics and are willing to pay more, end up mostly playing on PC. So out of all the people who chose to play on consoles. the better framerate/better graphics argument isn't going to move the needle much.
I'm still sticking to 2019 myself until Sony themselves say otherwise. If it's not 2019, then I'll happily eat my hat.
You wont see 60+ fps and the enhanced consoles already offer Performance and Graphics modes so that "selling" point already falls flat
And again why should people get hyped about a new console that offers games you can already play on your current gen console without the need to buy new hardware?
I dont think the hype will be that great this time.
Yeah, so my 2019 bubble popped.. but I will say.. Sony will not talk about a new console coming the following year.. and Nov is the best time IMO to release.. so its either Feb 2019 reveal and Nov 2019 release, or now most likely reveal Feb 2020 and Nov 2020 release.
You could have said the same as this current gen kicked off. Gamers could still play the latest CoD, Battlefield, Assassins Creed, Watch Dogs, etc on the PS360 yet the new gen versions and consoles still sold like hotcakes.
Sales of last gen games fall off a cliff each time a new generation of consoles launch and I see no reason why this time it will be any different.
Edit: And I'm still team 2019 for the PS5. I think an announcement early next year with a holiday '19 launch.
2019 is the 25th anniversary of PlayStation and I think Sony will have big things planned for it.