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Brinbe

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
58,424
Terana
I know it's probably obvious now, but seeing this made me realize why the GOP tries so hard to demonize government with its base.

It all makes sense now.
 

Deleted member 12224

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Oct 27, 2017
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Go luck up definitions of income. Inheritance is not income. I respect your position, I just don't think one's money should be taxed multiple times. Also, not only is inheritance tax absurd, so is the gift tax. And that has a MUCH lower threshold.



It's not about the millionaires, it's about the principle. No one's money should be taxed multiple times. Once and done.
Inheritance taxes help mitigate economic inefficiencies that come from dynastic accumulation and hoarding of wealth, never mind any sort of moral issues with that.
 

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Trump's parents are pretty scary looking aren't they?

Also shock at the fraud
 

mikehaggar

Developer at Pixel Arc Studios
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Oct 26, 2017
1,379
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All money is taxed multiple times. Customer pays business and pays tax. From that payment, the business receives profit which is taxed and pays employees who are then taxed on that as income. They then use that income to buy things and pay tax which is used to pay other employees who pay tax, etc etc. What are you even talking about? Money is taxed when it changes hands. Taxing people who give their kids more than 11 millions dollars is not a big ask.

That's different. I'm saying once an individual has generated income and paid taxes on it they shouldn't have to pay taxes on it again. They should be free to do with that money what they please.

Inheritance taxes help mitigate economic inefficiencies that come from dynastic accumulation and hoarding of wealth, never mind any sort of moral issues with that.

Just tax them appropriately the first time and then let the money be theirs to do with what they please.
 

samoyed

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Oct 26, 2017
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The generational accumulation of wealth is one of the major factors why wealth polarization is so awful in this country and getting worse all the time. The "principle" you speak of creates vast inequality and basically leads to a two-caste system, the aristocratic and the serfs. It just rewinds all the social progress we made in the last few centuries and sends us back into feudal times.

A principle that creates suffering and hardship is not a very good principle.
 

SwampBastard

The Fallen
Nov 1, 2017
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Go luck up definitions of income. Inheritance is not income. I respect your position, I just don't think one's money should be taxed multiple times. Also, not only is inheritance tax absurd, so is the gift tax. And that has a MUCH lower threshold.

https://www.economist.com/leaders/2017/11/23/a-hated-tax-but-a-fair-one

Armed with such arguments, some leap to the other extreme, proposing, as the American tax reform does, that there should be no inheritance tax at all. Not only is it right to let people hand their private property to their children, they say, but also bequests are often the fruits of labour that has already been taxed. And a large inheritance-tax bill is destructive, because it can cause the dismemberment of family firms and farms, and force the sale of ancestral homes.

Yet every tax is an intrusion by the state. If avoiding double taxation were a requirement of good policy, then governments would need to abolish sales taxes, which are paid out of taxed income. The risks that heirs will be forced to sell homes and firms can be mitigated by allowing them to pay the duties gradually, from cashflow rather than by fire-sales.

In fact, people who are against tax in general ought to be less hostile to inheritance taxes than other sorts. However disliked they are, they are some of the least distorting. Unlike income taxes, they do not destroy the incentive to work—whereas research suggests that a single person who inherits an amount above $150,000 is four times more likely to leave the labour force than one who inherits less than $25,000. Unlike capital-gains taxes, heavier estate taxes do not seem to dissuade saving or investment. Unlike sales taxes, they are progressive. To the extent that a higher inheritance tax can fund cuts to all other taxes, the system can be more efficient.
More at the link.
 

Baji Boxer

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Oct 27, 2017
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That's different. I'm saying once an individual has generated income and paid taxes on it they shouldn't have to pay taxes on it again. They should be free to do with that money what they please.



Just tax them appropriately the first time and then let the money be theirs to do with what they please.
I see nothing wrong with inheritance tax. Also, how is sales tax ethically different than inheritance tax? It's still double taxation.
 

AndyD

Mambo Number PS5
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Oct 27, 2017
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That's different. I'm saying once an individual has generated income and paid taxes on it they shouldn't have to pay taxes on it again. They should be free to do with that money what they please.



Just tax them appropriately the first time and then let the money be theirs to do with what they please.

I don't disagree with the bolded. However the gift and inheritance taxes are not on the person who earn it (and who paid income taxes), but on the person receiving, who is receiving it as income to them. That transfer is taxed. It's no different from a corporation earning profits, being taxed, then the employees are taxed when they receive a portion of the profit as income. New person/entity receiving it, new tax.

There is a federal estate tax, which is actually assessed when you die and your worth is transferred to your estate. This is paid by the estate, again, not by the original individual. The inheritance tax (in a handful of states) is then assessed on the income to the heirs when the estate gives money to the heirs.

It's one of the reasons people donate/establish non-profits to manage their wealth after they pass, so they can put it to a use they can somewhat direct ahead of their death (scholarships for vets, cancer research, zoos, whatever).

Example: you have earned 1 million and you die. Money gets transferred to your estate, federal estate tax on that transfer, payable by estate as it received income. Estate then gives to heirs, inheritance tax on that income, payable by heirs, as they received income. No taxes are assessed on the dead individual.

And all of this is to stimulate spending and circulation of money in the economy. If you spend your million before you die you create demand for products and services, and you increase the economy and jobs, and you pay sales taxes and such as the money moves around. Benefit to the economy is created, tax income for government is created. If you hoard it, great for you, but your kids then have to pay tax on that income, as they did not earn it and pay income/payroll taxes as they would have if they worked for it. No benefit to economy in this situation (due to hoarding) but tax income to government is still created, just after your death and in a lump sum as opposed to piecemeal in sales and whatnot throughout your life.
 
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Powdered Egg

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Oct 27, 2017
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I'm all for it, though I wish the Times would expose a butt load of prominent NYC families. Pay up suckas.
 

GenericBadGuy

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Oct 25, 2017
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Pretty incredible piece of journalism. They mentioned it took a year and a half to put together and it certainly shows.
 

Mcfrank

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Oct 28, 2017
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That's different. I'm saying once an individual has generated income and paid taxes on it they shouldn't have to pay taxes on it again. They should be free to do with that money what they please.



Just tax them appropriately the first time and then let the money be theirs to do with what they please.

They are not paying taxes on it again, the person inheriting it is.