Was there a neutral in that game as well?
yea i figured as much on that front. Its the only use.
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Kingdom Hearts HD 2.9 ReMIX Mafia |OT| 358/2 Scum
- Thread starter The Bear
- Start date
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==== DAY 3 VOTES ====
Day Start
ezekelrage (2 votes)
coolestspot - #1009
sweetnicole - #1078
sweetnicole (0 votes)
stuart444 - #914 #1020
gryvan (0 votes)
sweetnicole - #944 #1078
Post Counts:
stuart444: 67 ezekelrage: 33 coolestspot: 30 natiko: 29 sweetnicole: 28 muffin: 17 brazil: 15 grizzly: 8 z-beat: 7 fandorin: 5 gryvan: 2
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Day Start
ezekelrage (2 votes)
coolestspot - #1009
sweetnicole - #1078
sweetnicole (0 votes)
gryvan (0 votes)
Post Counts:
stuart444: 67 ezekelrage: 33 coolestspot: 30 natiko: 29 sweetnicole: 28 muffin: 17 brazil: 15 grizzly: 8 z-beat: 7 fandorin: 5 gryvan: 2
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Depends on the game.
Last game I had was There Might Be Giants mafia, 22 people, 4 scum, no neutral.
I don't know if I'd go quite that far lol There's several things I would have done differently last phase if I was scum, but obviously there's no way to verify that. I can't ever attest to what my former player was doing - he didn't even share much info during his time in the role. All I can speak to are my choices and thoughts.
That would mean it started at 9-4. Two mislynches and we'd be at lylo. Even with one kill blocked we'd be at mylo. That seems way too extreme.
For right now, I am going to soft put Fandorin and Brazil in the town column for the purposes of making this voting record list.
==== DAY 2 VOTES ====
Day Start - Day End
finalbeta (7 votes)
stuart444 - #450 #572
sweetnicole - #488 #488
sweetnicole - #488
fandorin - #494
brazil - #619
empressdonna - #666 #724
z-beat - #696 #741
natiko - #797
coolestspot - #804
muffin - #861
ezekelrage - #898
brazil (4 votes)
natiko - #604 #649
finalbeta - #623
gryvan - #699
z-beat - #741
stuart444 - #800
sweetnicole (1 votes)
stuart444 - #723 #800
empressdonna - #744
empressdonna (0 votes)
natiko - #649 #679
natiko - #700 #797
z-beat (0 votes)
natiko - #691 #700
coolestspot - #708 #804
muffin - #714 #861
coolestspot (0 votes)
natiko - #679 #691
z_beatzorwhateveryournameis (0 votes)
coolestspot - #705 #708
==== DAY 2 VOTES ====
Day Start - Day End
finalbeta (7 votes)
sweetnicole - #488
fandorin - #494
brazil - #619
natiko - #797
coolestspot - #804
muffin - #861
ezekelrage - #898
brazil (4 votes)
finalbeta - #623
gryvan - #699
z-beat - #741
stuart444 - #800
sweetnicole (1 votes)
empressdonna - #744
empressdonna (0 votes)
z-beat (0 votes)
coolestspot (0 votes)
z_beatzorwhateveryournameis (0 votes)
Er forgot to highlight brazil's name for the voting column, fixed that
For right now, I am going to soft put Fandorin and Brazil in the town column for the purposes of making this voting record list.
==== DAY 2 VOTES ====
Day Start - Day End
finalbeta (7 votes)
stuart444 - #450 #572
sweetnicole - #488 #488
sweetnicole - #488
fandorin - #494
brazil - #619
empressdonna - #666 #724
z-beat - #696 #741
natiko - #797
coolestspot - #804
muffin - #861
ezekelrage - #898
brazil (4 votes)
natiko - #604 #649
finalbeta - #623
gryvan - #699
z-beat - #741
stuart444 - #800
sweetnicole (1 votes)
stuart444 - #723 #800
empressdonna - #744
empressdonna (0 votes)
natiko - #649 #679
natiko - #700 #797
z-beat (0 votes)
natiko - #691 #700
coolestspot - #708 #804
muffin - #714 #861
coolestspot (0 votes)
natiko - #679 #691
z_beatzorwhateveryournameis (0 votes)
coolestspot - #705 #708
For right now, I am going to soft put Fandorin and Brazil in the town column for the purposes of making this voting record list.
==== DAY 2 VOTES ====
Day Start - Day End
finalbeta (7 votes)
sweetnicole - #488
fandorin - #494
brazil - #619
natiko - #797
coolestspot - #804
muffin - #861
ezekelrage - #898
brazil (4 votes)
finalbeta - #623
gryvan - #699
z-beat - #741
stuart444 - #800
sweetnicole (1 votes)
empressdonna - #744
empressdonna (0 votes)
z-beat (0 votes)
coolestspot (0 votes)
z_beatzorwhateveryournameis (0 votes)
==== DAY 1 VOTES ====
Day Start - Day End
red_v2 (7 votes)
stuart444 - #36
coolestspot - #108 #109
coolestspot - #109 #178
z-beat - #266
muffin - #350
finalbeta - #376
ezekelrage - #378 #383
gryvan - #380
sweetnicole - #410
ezekelrage - #422
finalbeta (4 votes)
fandorin - #241
sweetnicole - #261 #410
themrpliskin (Natiko) - #333
red_v2 - #390 #421
red_v2 - #421 (Double)
ezekelrage (3 votes)
brazil - #137
coolestspot - #178
empressdonna - #263
finalbeta - #340 #376
muffin (0 votes)
fandorin - #116 #181
coolestspot (0 votes)
fandorin - #181 #241
finalbeta - #228 #340
z-beat (0 votes)
sweetnicole - #197 #261
muffin - #243 #350
gryvan - #331 #380
Day Start - Day End
red_v2 (7 votes)
stuart444 - #36
z-beat - #266
muffin - #350
finalbeta - #376
gryvan - #380
sweetnicole - #410
ezekelrage - #422
finalbeta (4 votes)
fandorin - #241
themrpliskin (Natiko) - #333
red_v2 - #421 (Double)
ezekelrage (3 votes)
brazil - #137
coolestspot - #178
empressdonna - #263
muffin (0 votes)
coolestspot (0 votes)
z-beat (0 votes)
I really dislike this. Anyone looking at that makes it look like 'confirmed town' as that's what green is usually used for.
Those are the only two players that I am leaning town on thus far; I will do one with them as a norma/not green later too.
==== DAY 2 VOTES ====
Day Start - Day End
finalbeta (7 votes)
stuart444 - #450 #572
sweetnicole - #488 #488
sweetnicole - #488
fandorin - #494
brazil - #619
empressdonna - #666 #724
z-beat - #696 #741
natiko - #797
coolestspot - #804
muffin - #861
ezekelrage - #898
brazil (4 votes)
natiko - #604 #649
finalbeta - #623
gryvan - #699
z-beat - #741
stuart444 - #800
sweetnicole (1 votes)
stuart444 - #723 #800
empressdonna - #744
empressdonna (0 votes)
natiko - #649 #679
natiko - #700 #797
z-beat (0 votes)
natiko - #691 #700
coolestspot - #708 #804
muffin - #714 #861
coolestspot (0 votes)
natiko - #679 #691
z_beatzorwhateveryournameis (0 votes)
coolestspot - #705 #708
==== DAY 1 VOTES ====
Day Start - Day End
red_v2 (7 votes)
stuart444 - #36
coolestspot - #108 #109
coolestspot - #109 #178
z-beat - #266
muffin - #350
finalbeta - #376
ezekelrage - #378 #383
gryvan - #380
sweetnicole - #410
ezekelrage - #422
finalbeta (4 votes)
fandorin - #241
sweetnicole - #261 #410
themrpliskin (Natiko) - #333
red_v2 - #390 #421
red_v2 - #421 (Double)
ezekelrage (3 votes)
brazil - #137
coolestspot - #178
empressdonna - #263
finalbeta - #340 #376
muffin (0 votes)
fandorin - #116 #181
coolestspot (0 votes)
fandorin - #181 #241
finalbeta - #228 #340
z-beat (0 votes)
sweetnicole - #197 #261
muffin - #243 #350
gryvan - #331 #380
Day Start - Day End
finalbeta (7 votes)
sweetnicole - #488
fandorin - #494
brazil - #619
natiko - #797
coolestspot - #804
muffin - #861
ezekelrage - #898
brazil (4 votes)
finalbeta - #623
gryvan - #699
z-beat - #741
stuart444 - #800
sweetnicole (1 votes)
empressdonna - #744
empressdonna (0 votes)
z-beat (0 votes)
coolestspot (0 votes)
z_beatzorwhateveryournameis (0 votes)
==== DAY 1 VOTES ====
Day Start - Day End
red_v2 (7 votes)
stuart444 - #36
z-beat - #266
muffin - #350
finalbeta - #376
gryvan - #380
sweetnicole - #410
ezekelrage - #422
finalbeta (4 votes)
fandorin - #241
themrpliskin (Natiko) - #333
red_v2 - #421 (Double)
ezekelrage (3 votes)
brazil - #137
coolestspot - #178
empressdonna - #263
muffin (0 votes)
coolestspot (0 votes)
z-beat (0 votes)
If we assume that Brazil is town, that would mean there is no scum votes on Zeke Day 1.
If we assume that Fand is town, that would mean the only possible scum voter on finalbeta Day 1 was Natiko.
Did scum stack their votes all on Red during Day 1? If you believe that, then Natiko would not be scum.
The following three people (excluding those confirmed) voted for the town lynch of Red V2, but then did not vote for the lynch of Finalbeta: Gryvan, Z-Beat, Stuart444
The following two people (excluding those confirmed) have always been on the lynch train at end of the day: Muffin, Zeke.
Since Day 1 was a town train vs a scum train, and we know this for a fact, I do not think it likely that there is any scum votes on Final.
I think scum is 100% stacked within Red Day 1. This means Fand, Brazil, and Natiko are both town; their votes were placed elsewhere.
This mean of the remaining scum, they are located somewhere within the following players: Stuart444, Z-beat, Muffin, Gryvan, and Zeke.
Of the players who voted for Red, and then voted for Final, only one player has not claimed anything nor has a probable/possible explanation for his actions: Muffin.
If we assume that Fand is town, that would mean the only possible scum voter on finalbeta Day 1 was Natiko.
Did scum stack their votes all on Red during Day 1? If you believe that, then Natiko would not be scum.
The following three people (excluding those confirmed) voted for the town lynch of Red V2, but then did not vote for the lynch of Finalbeta: Gryvan, Z-Beat, Stuart444
The following two people (excluding those confirmed) have always been on the lynch train at end of the day: Muffin, Zeke.
Since Day 1 was a town train vs a scum train, and we know this for a fact, I do not think it likely that there is any scum votes on Final.
I think scum is 100% stacked within Red Day 1. This means Fand, Brazil, and Natiko are both town; their votes were placed elsewhere.
This mean of the remaining scum, they are located somewhere within the following players: Stuart444, Z-beat, Muffin, Gryvan, and Zeke.
Of the players who voted for Red, and then voted for Final, only one player has not claimed anything nor has a probable/possible explanation for his actions: Muffin.
I disagree heavily with this. This community is prone to bussing, even in town vs scum votes.
Muffin's D1 vote:
D2 vote:
Notice that both times, he doesn't ever read Final as scum, and as far as I can tell, Muffin never tangibly interacted with Final on anything. He never really provides a read on him either; he simply says he is null reading him D1, and then D2 he'd prefer Final > Brazil. There was this one interesting interaction though at the end of D2.
While I was inclined to dismiss this as Final simply breaking down at the end of the game, he says that Muffin is lynching him on purpose as scum. Is it possible that Final is calling out Muffin right here for lynching a scummate on purpose to buy himself town points? Muffin had a crucial opportunity to make the vote 5-5, but instead made it 6-4, solidifying the lynch on Final at the end of the day. This would explain Final's angry reaction to a scummate voting for him, essentially dooming him to a lynch when he felt like his scummate could have saved him.
Thoughts from others? I would like to see Muffin respond to this as well.
Post on Final @ start of D2:
D2 vote:
Notice that both times, he doesn't ever read Final as scum, and as far as I can tell, Muffin never tangibly interacted with Final on anything. He never really provides a read on him either; he simply says he is null reading him D1, and then D2 he'd prefer Final > Brazil. There was this one interesting interaction though at the end of D2.
While I was inclined to dismiss this as Final simply breaking down at the end of the game, he says that Muffin is lynching him on purpose as scum. Is it possible that Final is calling out Muffin right here for lynching a scummate on purpose to buy himself town points? Muffin had a crucial opportunity to make the vote 5-5, but instead made it 6-4, solidifying the lynch on Final at the end of the day. This would explain Final's angry reaction to a scummate voting for him, essentially dooming him to a lynch when he felt like his scummate could have saved him.
Thoughts from others? I would like to see Muffin respond to this as well.
What actions exactly? You frame it as if I actually got asked questions about this and answered them badly. I haven't.
No I haven't claimed as I don't see the merit right now.
This is an interesting thought that I'd entertain and wouldn't mind hearing from Muffin as well.
That said, with scum chat, I'd assume things like this would be talked out in chat. even just a heads up ahead of time.
What I mean is that of the two, Zeke has an explanation, although not one I buy yet, about him being the final vote on the biggest train at the end of each day. You do not have any explanation for your votes on D1/D2 like that, and I have already asked questions and pressured Zeke.
My experience is that these things aren't talked about in chat head of time. For example, GoT mafia, Meatwad was doomed for a lynch by a fellow scummate since the scummate felt that Meatwad was unredeemable. The scummate could have voted for someone else and saved Meatwad, but chose to doom him instead. There was no discussion about that in mafia chat beyond Meatwad saying, "You can save me," and then the scummate basically saying, "No"
Final was operating based off of emotion at the end of D2 including some OMGUS posts, and I don't think there was anything calculated or pre-planned about that.
While I can understand this line of thinking but at the same time, he could have planned himself to aim shots at anyone near the end to make it harder to deduce his scum mates.
A null read is a read. It means I don't lean one way or another on him, as it's hard to read him. I mentioned that somewhere already, it reminded me of nin who I always scumread for this kind of play at the start when it was just how he played and was NAI. I felt similar about Final, some posts of his just seems similarly random.
I mean, even for how fast Final got lynched and how often his not scumhunting was called out, I still don't think even he would openly slip up like that. You and others pushed him from D1, scum will have discussed what to do in case he gets lynched. They were probably counting on the fact that he would sooner or later. As Stuart said up there, this community is prone to bussing.
Do you think that scum would bus a scum-mate two days in a row right at the start of the game? I do think that has happened in the past, but I'm not feeling great on the odds that it happened this time. If it did happen, we'd be talking about either Fand or Natiko as the scum bus person on Final for two days in a row. That being said, I feel better about Fand doing it than I do about Natiko, so I'd be inclined to say if there was any bussing of scum by scum it was and is Natiko.
Would you concur with that sentiment?
I think it could be either of them. I also think because of how easy final was, they might bus two days in a row.
Long game wise it works to their advantage as they have a vote record of a vote on a scum two days in a row until they got lynched.
If I had to choose one, I'd choose Fand but ONLY because Natiko joined in D2. I'm not sure what pliskin planned.
So this is specifically about late vote on major train right?
D1: I had to leave an hour before day end so I left my vote on the one of the few trains I would rather lynch. I provided explanation for my vote, and already talked about red before that.
D2: Again, my Z-Beat vote would just be wasted in the end, so I chose the train I was most comfortable with. I had expressed Zeke, gryvan, Z-Beat and Final before as people I would decide my lynch between. When I came back to place my vote it was between Brazil and Final. Easy choice.
No reason not to believe it. We've got no switcher claim, and no cop counterclaim. At worst CS could be a godfather, but that possibility is not something to dismiss a green check over. Even if I'm not overly fond of CS and his plays lately.
Was not worth the wait. Figured it would be a green check.
*shrug*
Stuart444 I do want to note if you think scum bussed Final multiple days in a row, you're essentially saying that Brazil would be town, right?
Day 1:
Day 1:
Day 1:
- Final votes on Red.
- Scummate busses Final
- Scummate votes for Red
- Final votes on Brazil
- scummate busses Final
- scummate votes for either final or brazil
Day 1:
- Final votes on Red
- Scummate busses Final
- Brazil votes Zeke
I'd say at worse there is no Cop and it's a safe claim she was given.
If she's alive for multiple day phases after this though, I'd hope people would question it but I'm believing it for now, I just want some opinions considering the long anticipation for a green check. (I mean to me, it doesn't make sense to show you're a cop without a red check first as the red check getting lynched proves your claim and helps town, win-win).
Ruling out a switcher is the right move. Regardless of how wasted you think that is.
Though I've got to admit, in hindsight I didn't really consider that scum might have a day kill. That could have screwed this situation up majorly.
Alternatively both scummates have been bussing Final D1, but man I don't see that being likely.
I'm saying, I wouldn't rule it out that easily.
If we have two scum left, it could easily be as something as one bussing two days in a row and one bussing only on D2. It's not an either/or situation.
I just wouldn't rule anything like this out is all.
With the size of the game, I think a day vig would be a bit much for scum to have, much more likely for town to have a day vig imo.
It's possible.
Day 2 Final str8 up gave up, giving any potential scummates any angle to vote him. Like your example with meatwad. If a scum player feels their mate is playing poorly or dumb, they would have to make a point of it. I can see them doing it day 1 as well. Since day one final could be seen by some as cracking.
My pact with him saved him. Scum couldve easily reacted to the deal.
If you say so. I'm still not really good at judging what would be balanced.
The response Nicole made telling CS to calm down mainly. Besides if she got a red check on him she wouldn't be doubting my claim.
*shrug*
It's very possible to have a red check and still think your claim is BS. Unless there was only one scum left at least.
What? Your bomb defuser claim? How would a CS red check do anything to confirm that?
Does anything about Final's posts strike you as planned or calculated in nature? Did anything he ever do strike you as planned or calculated?
If he did slip up, I imagine scum would definitely want to be letting it stay forgotten in the events of previous days. If it wasn't a slip up, I imagine scum would be all over that to try and frame Muffin today for a lynch Curious that no one pointed it out until me, though, a town player, and no one has started calling for Muffin's head yet though.
I probably need to ISO both of them as do you so we can sort that out.
Yes, it is that you, so far, have a habit of slipping your post into the final train without really pressuring or actively scum reading people. You're simply saying, "Oh well I would have lynched for them." "Oh I was comfortable lynching them." But you never really pressured Final on anything, and at best you said you were null reading him while feeling comfortable voting for him.
ok, you guys can have it. Not worth explaining.
Would a post intended to fuck with town seem calculated? That would be the better question. You would need to decide if it's impulse or planned.
It's not like anything we said was wrong. Literally you can have a red check and think your claim is BS. There is nothing to explain as in the absence of a bomber, your claim is not proven.
No claim is proven in the absence of proof. People can believe claims or not but none are proven until proof is shown.
Me naming several lynch targets I would be comfortable with quite a while beforehand is not scum reading people? Though I admit that specifically in Finals case it's more on the side of being comfortable with his lynch than actively scumreading him. Doesn't mean I'm not actively scum reading people, that's not true.
And "slipping your post into the final train" is just what I need to do if the lynch I primarily wanted doesn't get traction. That's the same as everybody. When day end nears, it's better to choose a preferred option out of the main lynches.
If it was calculated to throw suspicion on Muffin, I would imagine others would have picked it up and started to run with it.
If it was an impulse reaction of emotion, I would imagine that scum would have let it be and tried to draw attention from it.
No one picked it up and ran with it. No one quoted the post/interaction until I did. It strikes me as something that people wanted to forget about, otherwise I imagine scum would have brought it up by now to start throwing suspicion towards Muffin.
Why? I don't really see how it being calculated or not changes what scum could do with it. They have 24 hours to plan things, even assuming one of their scummates did something on impulse before day end.
Even if it was on impulse, scum could have decided to run with it today just as easily.