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Skittles

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Oct 25, 2017
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Game glitched, got kicked back to tutorial. Skipped it and now I have more wildcards lmao
 

Imperfected

Member
Nov 9, 2017
11,737
Ravnica Sealed Codes (they're 1/account, so if one doesn't work try the next, and once one is accepted you can stop; also note you do need to enter the dashes):

jy7-5zii-s3y
gfy-amnj-s61
im7-1tij-uei
 
Oct 28, 2017
6,119
I've got one of those too if I can find it. First person to quote me can have it. Make sure Imperfected's are gone first! One use per account for all of these codes.
 
Oct 28, 2017
6,119
I took the first one on that. Sorry quoting don't need this, but is one code only allowed for one account. Like the one I grabbed cannot be used anymore? Or can anyone use these once?

It should be one use per code and one use per account. IE, all the codes uniquely give one entry, and you can only get one free entry on your account.

You can also enter "PlayRavnica" to get free packs I'm told.
 
Mar 17, 2018
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Well going over to the subreddit a lot of the kids are complaining they don't get all ten premade decks I guess.

To be honest I think 5 premades is a pretty good level to start out at. I'm not sure what people think they deserve, but pushing ten on the current model would mean they are giving away a lot of cards. I'm sure even if they did that it would just be dupes anyway.

The fanbase is right in some ways, but I think a lot of people just want tons of free stuff. They don't understand for the business model to work, greedy or not, you have to pay for some things. If everybody is just content grinding, then no money is made and the game won't succeed. It's hard to satisfy everyone. I think it's actually a decent model they have going.

People have been able to get free packs, free codes, et cetera.
 

Wamb0wneD

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Oct 26, 2017
18,735
Hm when I'm going to craft lands I should go for the shocklands no? Rotationproof and all that.
 

Tofd

Member
Jul 8, 2018
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Well going over to the subreddit a lot of the kids are complaining they don't get all ten premade decks I guess.

To be honest I think 5 premades is a pretty good level to start out at. I'm not sure what people think they deserve, but pushing ten on the current model would mean they are giving away a lot of cards. I'm sure even if they did that it would just be dupes anyway.

The fanbase is right in some ways, but I think a lot of people just want tons of free stuff. They don't understand for the business model to work, greedy or not, you have to pay for some things. If everybody is just content grinding, then no money is made and the game won't succeed. It's hard to satisfy everyone. I think it's actually a decent model they have going.

People have been able to get free packs, free codes, et cetera.

It mostly sucks because you didn't get the ones you wanted, like B/W or G/B (aka the better ones). If they had let us chosen which ones, it would've been much better. That's my 2cents anyways.
 
Mar 17, 2018
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Sealed is the worst fucking mode known to man. I will not spend a dime on it ever again unless I'm drunk and happen to buy into it. Second time in a row that I get nearly nothing in my decks. Hardly any control. Instead, I watch my opponent cast hexes, kills, and large creatures at whim. I looked completely through all my colors. Burn had a few control spells, but no dual color lands to match any of the white or greens I had. Blue was completely useless. No draw or anything. Black had not a kill in it.

I honestly cannot believe I have played Sealed twice and won one match due to some jackass just quitting before the match. I am 100% sure he would have won.

OMG thanks for the free code but Sealed can go fuck itself. It's a complete waste of time and money. I cannot imagine anyone in their right fucking mind paying 2000 gems to play that RNG shit. I'd rather buy diapers for myself.

There is almost no skill involved with that mode. At 40 cards you are basically just putting 14-17 land in and every decent creature you have. Tri colors seem to work well if you have anything to put in those colors. It's completely just RNG based. And whatever match up bullshit they have going is fucked beyond all belief.

While one match I played in 6 sealed matches was even remotely competitive, I had no chance against most of the opponents. None. I think this time out my deck was a little better due to better creatures, but it was still the same thing: zero control in my sealed list with almost no decent rares.

I did have a hex on green. I thought I was going to win one of those matches and then the dude threw out the same hex and them proceeded to copy the motherfucker and then throw out two draw cards no less. My blue deck didn't even have a draw card lol. Wow. What a bad time. Thank god that code was free.

I couldn't see one card that was useful in those sealed packs. My rares were shit. I already had whatever decent creature it gave me.

Word of warning for noobs: do not spend 2000 gems on sealed unless you are desperate as fuck.
 
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Santiako

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
1,151
Sealed is the worst fucking mode known to man. I will not spend a dime on it ever again unless I'm drunk and happen to buy into it. Second time in a row that I get nearly nothing in my decks. Hardly any control. Instead, I watch my opponent cast hexes, kills, and large creatures at whim. I looked completely through all my colors. Burn had a few control spells, but no dual color lands to match any of the white or greens I had. Blue was completely useless. No draw or anything. Black had not a kill in it.

I honestly cannot believe I have played Sealed twice and won one match due to some jackass just quitting before the match. I am 100% sure he would have won.

OMG thanks for the free code but Sealed can go fuck itself. It's a complete waste of time and money. I cannot imagine anyone in their right fucking mind paying 2000 gems to play that RNG shit. I'd rather buy diapers for myself.

There is almost no skill involved with that mode. At 40 cards you are basically just putting 14-17 land in and every decent creature you have. Tri colors seem to work well if you have anything to put in those colors. It's completely just RNG based. And whatever match up bullshit they have going is fucked beyond all belief.

While one match I played in 6 sealed matches was even remotely competitive, I had no chance against most of the opponents. None. I think this time out my deck was a little better due to better creatures, but it was still the same thing: zero control in my sealed list with almost no decent rares.

I did have a hex on green. I thought I was going to win one of those matches and then the dude threw out the same hex and them proceeded to copy the motherfucker and then throw out two draw cards no less. My blue deck didn't even have a draw card lol. Wow. What a bad time. Thank god that code was free.

I couldn't see one card that was useful in those sealed packs. My rares were shit. I already had whatever decent creature it gave me.

Word of warning for noobs: do not spend 2000 gems on sealed unless you are desperate as fuck.

You need to chill the fuck out. Seriously. This isn't dipshit HS type deckbuilding, and all elite players are going through the SAME EXACT shit with different builds. Just because you see some tryhard manning his meta build doesn't mean all builders are using one or two different builds to pulverize people.

Many people like myself are busy building sealed decks from scratch and losing just as much as you. So chill the fuck out and stop the incessant whining. It's Magic. You are going to lose. If you can't handle it find something else to do.

If you are losing ten times in a row there is something wrong with your deck. Start over try something else.

:p
 
Mar 17, 2018
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You need to chill the fuck out. Seriously. This isn't dipshit HS type deckbuilding, and all elite players are going through the SAME EXACT shit with different builds. Just because you see some tryhard manning his meta build doesn't mean all builders are using one or two different builds to pulverize people.

Many people like myself are busy building sealed decks from scratch and losing just as much as you. So chill the fuck out and stop the incessant whining. It's Magic. You are going to lose. If you can't handle it find something else to do.

If you are losing ten times in a row there is something wrong with your deck. Start over try something else.

:p

Except this does not apply to a mode that COSTS 2K GEMS AND NEARLY TEN DOLLARS OF YOUR MONEY.

By all means go ahead and join that shitshow. There is no meta in sealed, so while you think that post is clever, it really is not. All Wizards is doing is basically asking you to gamble on this mode. It's pathetic at best, and stealing at worst. The cards I got in return were dupes and all around crap.

I'm just warning noobs right now don't even bother wasting your cash unless you get a free code. If you want to play RNG the game maybe that suits you, but so far two times through and it was absolutely HORRIBLE each time.

The other modes I think are priced better.

But they are basically trying to get you in for 6 packs of cards that are mostly crap, or RNG anyway, and for ten dollars you have no control over anything. At 1K gems? I could see that. But ten bucks? Per sealed draw. Nah man.
 
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Santiako

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Oct 25, 2017
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Except this does not apply to a mode that COSTS 2K GEMS AND NEARLY TEN DOLLARS OF YOUR MONEY.

By all means go ahead and join that shitshow. There is no meta in sealed, so while you think that post is clever, it really is not. All Wizards is doing is basically asking you to gamble on this mode. It's pathetic at best, and stealing at worst. The cards I got in return were dupes and all around crap.

I'm just warning noobs right now don't even bother wasting your cash unless you get a free code. If you want to play RNG the game maybe that suits you, but so far two times through and it was absolutely HORRIBLE each time.


There's obvioulsy weaker pools but building sealed is an acquired skill like any other, next time (if there is a next time) post your pool here and maybe we can help out.
 
Feb 16, 2018
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most sealed pools in guilds of ravnica have a good enough deck within them. most of the time, you just have to recognize it

i've gotten 6 or 7 wins 90% of the time.

focus on the cards you can cast, not just the strong cards. the games are best-of-1 and the player base is pretty new atm, so you need consistency more than power


i think it is too expensive for most people though, which is a shame because it's probably the best format given arena's limitations
 

caylen

Publisher - Riot Games
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Oct 27, 2017
139
santa monica
Historically (with some outliers for some formats like M11, Urza Block and Odyssey block), Sealed is a format that dramatically rewards skill over luck for the first four to six matches, then becomes exceptionally luck reliant (as in: if you are equally skilled, who got better pulls) in the latter part of the bracket assuming you are successful.

$10 is a lot of money in regards to F2P, but it's insanely cheaper than most sealed formats for digital games (for paper magic, a store sealed usually runs about $25 to $30, if not more).

If you want to play a limited format with the goal of improving your collection as a primary personal condition, then you probably should stick to draft. In terms of EV reward structure though, Sealed currently "pays" better than Draft though.

Saying that there's no meta in sealed speaks more about you than the 25+ years of people who've played that format. It's a TOUGH format.
 

kidnemo

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Dec 11, 2017
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I really dig sealed - and sure there are times when you CAN get a junk pool, but you can also get mana flooded or mana screwed. There is always a certain random element, more times than not though you can build a servicable deck that will get you some wins.

PS I love sealed and regularly place very well when I play it, but it IS difficult and is a skill in and of itself as opposed to constructed.

Also if anyone has any more codes I'm up for it!

Saying that there's no meta in sealed speaks more about you than the 25+ years of people who've played that format. It's a TOUGH format.

That is definitely true. In a way it reminds me of the purest form of magic when it was originally released. Kids buy cards, make a deck at the table in a comic shop, play.
 
Mar 17, 2018
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most sealed pools in guilds of ravnica have a good enough deck within them. most of the time, you just have to recognize it

i've gotten 6 or 7 wins 90% of the time.

focus on the cards you can cast, not just the strong cards. the games are best-of-1 and the player base is pretty new atm, so you need consistency more than power


i think it is too expensive for most people though, which is a shame because it's probably the best format given arena's limitations

How is it the best format? Objectively, lowering the card base to 40 is just regressive. It's much less complex, requires much less overall skill in deck building, and with RNG involved it's clearly not as free as other modes in this card number format.

I know how to build decks. Sealed is RNG. Period. You might win and be lucky 3 or 4 times in a row. You might lose 4 in a row too. And with the shit cards I got in both Sealed experiences, what is the point? I didn't receive but one decent creature I didn't have in these two times. Why in the world would I pay nearly ten bucks to come back here? The issue here is clearly a monetary issue first and foremost.

Again, every time Sealed is brought up we always have some guy posting how they got 6 or 7 wins 90% of the time. This is BS. It's based on severely limited data. You aren't going to get 6 or 7 wins 90% of the time.

Recognizing a good deck build is not hard for me dude. I've been playing magic at a fairly high level for over 15 years. Yes, at some point I will get a really good sealed deck and get a bunch of wins. But why gamble? For what reason? So far the cards have been shit. This is nearly ten bucks to get entry lol. For RNG!
 
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Santiako

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Oct 25, 2017
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How is it the best format? Objectively, lowering the card base to 40 is just regressive. It's much less complex, requires much less overall skill in deck building, and with RNG involved it's clearly not as free as other modes in this card number format.

I know how to build decks. Sealed is RNG. Period. You might win and be lucky 3 or 4 times in a row. You might lose 4 in a row too. And with the shit cards I got in both Sealed experiences, what is the point? I didn't receive but one decent creature I didn't have in these two times. Why in the world would I pay nearly ten bucks to come back here?

Again, every time Sealed is brought up we always have some guy posting how they got 6 or 7 wins 90% of the time. This is BS. It's based on severely limited data. You aren't going to get 6 or 7 wins 90% of the time.

Recognizing a good deck build is not hard for me dude. I've been playing magic at a fairly high level for over 15 years. Yes, at some point I will get a really good sealed deck and get a bunch of wins. But why gamble? For what reason? So far the cards have been shit. This is nearly ten bucks to get entry lol. For RNG!

No need to get angry, it's a skill intensive format since you need to get the deck build at once and you don't get to refine it over time. It's fine if you don't want to play it, but don't spread lies.
 

Ashodin

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potentialtodisplease

Bro you gotta learn the format before you can play reliably. You can't just jam all the "best" creatures in there. Go read up on the format before just diving in, or expect to learn through trial by fire.
 
Mar 17, 2018
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Historically (with some outliers for some formats like M11, Urza Block and Odyssey block), Sealed is a format that dramatically rewards skill over luck for the first four to six matches, then becomes exceptionally luck reliant (as in: if you are equally skilled, who got better pulls) in the latter part of the bracket assuming you are successful.

$10 is a lot of money in regards to F2P, but it's insanely cheaper than most sealed formats for digital games (for paper magic, a store sealed usually runs about $25 to $30, if not more).

If you want to play a limited format with the goal of improving your collection as a primary personal condition, then you probably should stick to draft. In terms of EV reward structure though, Sealed currently "pays" better than Draft though.

Saying that there's no meta in sealed speaks more about you than the 25+ years of people who've played that format. It's a TOUGH format.

I compare it to regular 60 card Magic. I find it regressive, dull, and at no point would I ever say it rewards skill all that much. Number one, your pool is RNG. This is objectively not skill. Number two, you have 20 less cards. This is objectively a less complex array of cards to select from, nevermind you are only selecting from a very small pool to start with.

So in this way, yes it may be an acquired skill, but it is objectively less complex, less skillful overall due to RNG constraints, and I don't think anyone will ever convince me otherwise.
 
Mar 17, 2018
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potentialtodisplease

Bro you gotta learn the format before you can play reliably. You can't just jam all the "best" creatures in there. Go read up on the format before just diving in, or expect to learn through trial by fire.

I didn't just jam all the best creatures in there lol. I said that is basically what it comes down to. Top decking your RNG cards. Don't act like Sealed requires this genius level of intellect to play. It's 20 less cards, it's RNG for the card pool, you are working with only a select few cards, and at no point is it that hard to build a decent Sealed deck from what you have. The point is what you have is not much.

I don't need to learnt the format. I played the format all the time in Magic 2014 or 15 or whatever version had it. And that did not cost money like this version.

It's illogical to say that RNG has some kind of consistent reasonable outcome to it. No, it does not. While there are skills of course to be used in deckbuilding with sealed, they are far less complex than making decks from a full card pool and 60 cards. Objectively, this is true based on numerical quantities and probability if you ask me. Making 60 card decks that work consistently is simply harder to do, and with hundreds of more options there is much more room for error.

If you are gifted exceptional creatures and spells in your sealed array of cards, you will have a deck that has the better probability of being exceptional compared to someone that draws lesser cards. This is not arguable. There are power/efficiency levels to your cards.
 
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No need to get angry, it's a skill intensive format since you need to get the deck build at once and you don't get to refine it over time. It's fine if you don't want to play it, but don't spread lies.

I'm spreading facts. Skill intensive my butt lol. Picking a little over 20 cards that interact with each other in a small pool that is RNG based is not even close to the skill required to build a 60 or 40 card deck from an entire collection. NOT EVEN CLOSE. The complexity is exponentially less.

I'm not here to hate on Sealed, I'm here to hate on Sealed for 10 fucking dollars.
 

caylen

Publisher - Riot Games
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Oct 27, 2017
139
santa monica
I'm not here to argue because it's not really a debate, honestly. Magic since it's inception has been a game where the concepts of randomization are a core part of the game's design and tenants, for better and for worse. From the shuffle, to understanding which hands to mulligan vs keep (and vs which decks, and in which matchups, and in play/draw scenarios, and in which etc etc), to genre defining cards like Goblin Charbelcher, Gamble, Hymn to Tourach and Chaos Orb.

Sealed is probably the 3rd most difficult recognized format for Magic I can think of (I'd tier it as Rochester Draft, then Mental Magic, then Sealed for most sets). There's an INSANE amount of skill involved. Understanding what colors you pick, when to splash a 3rd color for a bomb vs not, when to go for riskier mana bases for better general power vs playing it safe, which "answer" cards you select in the main in understanding the format, when to build for synergy vs raw power - even general time management & mana base determination is exceptionally more skill demanding than most Draft formats. Yeah, there's a random assortment of cards you're gonna get, and there's definitely a chance you get an inane amount of dumb non playable rares and uncommons, or the worst creature curve imaginable, or when your win condition is "mill them out" and you're not playing Blue but you're also definitely not going to win by attacking most of the time, and so on.

One of the things about Magic that I truly love and appreciate is how cruel some scenarios are, and trying to find ways to overcome them with the resources afforded. Sealed does that really, really well! I love deck building with constrained resources, I enjoy trying to solve the meta while also accepting I have no control on what I get, and the joy of giving a bad beat is worth forgiving the bad beats that occasionally happen. That's a skill test - and I understand it's not a skill you (or others) appreciate or desire. But saying things like "objectively" or "less complex" doesn't do you any favors.

It's ok to not like Sealed. Try to not crap all over the things that other people really like, especially when a large number of them have been liking that thing for over two decades.
 

Santiako

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm spreading facts. Skill intensive my butt lol. Picking a little over 20 cards that interact with each other in a small pool that is RNG based is not even close to the skill required to build a 60 or 40 card deck from an entire collection. NOT EVEN CLOSE. The complexity is exponentially less.

I'm not here to hate on Sealed, I'm here to hate on Sealed for 10 fucking dollars.

Literally everyone is telling you that you are very very wrong, but you clearly won't budge so let's drop it.
 
Feb 16, 2018
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How is it the best format?

i think it's the mode that's best suited for translating something from the paper game to arena

between constructed, draft, and sealed, i think arena can do sealed the best

whether or not they'll make it more affordable for a wider range of players (i.e. phantom sealed) remains to be seen, but it beats the other modes in terms of how it's structured for match-making and playing whenever you want and letting everyone play the same thing
 
Mar 17, 2018
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Literally everyone is telling you that you are very very wrong, but you clearly won't budge so let's drop it.
Please prove to me how an RNG based format with 40 cards compared to a format with 60 and unlimited options is somehow more complex and requires more thought to win consistently based on skill alone? Of course this is nearly impossible because Sealed is an RNG mode. The simple foundation of its logical means to producing skill-based deckbuilding is based on an array of cards randomly chosen. RNG is not skill, and you won't ever convince me the base of Sealed is more skill-based.

Literally, not everyone is telling me anything. Literally, it's about 4 people here who are defending Sealed with roundabout ideas on its logical structure. You haven't even attempted to make a logical argument, so I have no idea what you are even on about.

What is true is that you can't argue against logic, so you try to use brute force opinion yet your opinion doesn't go anywhere. My ideas are based in logic, yours are based in group think. Sealed is a simple mode, one of the most simple in all of Magic. And it's RNG based. Deal with it buddy.
 
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i think it's the mode that's best suited for translating something from the paper game to arena

between constructed, draft, and sealed, i think arena can do sealed the best

whether or not they'll make it more affordable for a wider range of players (i.e. phantom sealed) remains to be seen, but it beats the other modes in terms of how it's structured for match-making and playing whenever you want and letting everyone play the same thing

How? We have constructed where you can bring your own deck. How is Sealed better than this?
 

vid

Sky Van Gogh
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Oct 27, 2017
183
Can someone explain how wildcards worked? I skipped the tutorial...

When you're constructing a deck, if you try to add a card that you don't have a copy of, it will ask if you want to use a Wildcard of the rarity of that card in order to add that card to collection. There are four rarities of Wildcards to match the four rarities of cards in the games. You find Wildcards in packs, and will also get them gradually just by opening packs.
 
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I'm not here to argue because it's not really a debate, honestly. Magic since it's inception has been a game where the concepts of randomization are a core part of the game's design and tenants, for better and for worse. From the shuffle, to understanding which hands to mulligan vs keep (and vs which decks, and in which matchups, and in play/draw scenarios, and in which etc etc), to genre defining cards like Goblin Charbelcher, Gamble, Hymn to Tourach and Chaos Orb.

Sealed is probably the 3rd most difficult recognized format for Magic I can think of (I'd tier it as Rochester Draft, then Mental Magic, then Sealed for most sets). There's an INSANE amount of skill involved. Understanding what colors you pick, when to splash a 3rd color for a bomb vs not, when to go for riskier mana bases for better general power vs playing it safe, which "answer" cards you select in the main in understanding the format, when to build for synergy vs raw power - even general time management & mana base determination is exceptionally more skill demanding than most Draft formats. Yeah, there's a random assortment of cards you're gonna get, and there's definitely a chance you get an inane amount of dumb non playable rares and uncommons, or the worst creature curve imaginable, or when your win condition is "mill them out" and you're not playing Blue but you're also definitely not going to win by attacking most of the time, and so on.

One of the things about Magic that I truly love and appreciate is how cruel some scenarios are, and trying to find ways to overcome them with the resources afforded. Sealed does that really, really well! I love deck building with constrained resources, I enjoy trying to solve the meta while also accepting I have no control on what I get, and the joy of giving a bad beat is worth forgiving the bad beats that occasionally happen. That's a skill test - and I understand it's not a skill you (or others) appreciate or desire. But saying things like "objectively" or "less complex" doesn't do you any favors.

It's ok to not like Sealed. Try to not crap all over the things that other people really like, especially when a large number of them have been liking that thing for over two decades.

For one thing, thanks for the write-up. I have a few problems with your post though. You numerically order Sealed and then also use inductive logic to ascribe Sealed as the third most difficult format. That doesn't really make any sense outside of your own ruminations on difficulty within Magic. You say there is an insane amount of skill involved. But numerically it is less complex, its foundation is based on RNG, and altogether you haven't made a case as to why this would be more complex, why it would require more thought or creativity versus a regular 60 card Magic game not bound by the constraints of RNG and limited card pools. Objectively, these constraints are there. You can't argue they are not. A mostly unlimited card pool, more cards, more choices, more room for errors and probability fluctuations... how can one possibly call Sealed anything but a more simple game with its foundations set in RNG card pools.

Every time I have played Sealed it always comes down to less complex mechanics. Each game I played with this newest three game set we basically just dropped creatures until one of us had the best creatures. There were extremely limited interactions, no counters, few complex casts, and altogether it was just who had the better creatures or cards that could draw from the pool in the end. It's not like I didn't almost win a couple of these matches. But in the end it was clear he had the better cards. Objectively, it was clear I did not have any black kills, nor did I have any creature copies. These are the two things used against me to win. I simply had no choice in the matter. Nothing in my card set could kill his hex or even defend against it except on counter within blue. ONE.

Yes, there was skill involved in picking these cards, but the games themselves had much less depth than a normal game of competitive Magic that I have played for years. This was the same in whatever Duels version had Sealed. Less complex games. Winner usually had the better creatures. Few spells were cast. It mostly ended up with an array of creatures looking at each other until someone top-decked a better card. I'm sorry, but this is my experience in Sealed throughout a couple hundred games. Often it just led to people staring at each other before one side got the better topdecks. While this happens in normal Magic, it is much less apparent than in Sealed because the creature and spell bases are much less complex. Sealed is inherently dumbed down. This is not even arguable.

So while you guys can wax nostalgic, I am indeed going to go off my considerable experience in playing Sealed with digital Magic. It's a mode I don't care for, and I have clearly laid out those reasons why I don't care for it as you have laid out some reasons why you might like it.

Also, I can guarantee you when I do eventually win a bunch of games in Sealed I will not come back here yelling to the clouds about how awesome Sealed is. I played hundreds of matches of Sealed in Duels. It has always been simple, constrained, and boring to me.
 
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How? We have constructed where you can bring your own deck. How is Sealed better than this?

constructed requires card ownership and a bunch of complicated systems to try to make games fair/fun/balanced/meaningful

sealed has no prerequisites and everyone can play everyone. also it visits more of the game design because 95% of the cards aren't good enough for constructed

i just think sealed is something arena can do better than paper mtg and better than other video games
 
Mar 17, 2018
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constructed requires card ownership and a bunch of complicated systems to try to make games fair/fun/balanced/meaningful

sealed has no prerequisites and everyone can play everyone. also it visits more of the game design because 95% of the cards aren't good enough for constructed

i just think sealed is something arena can do better than paper mtg and better than other video games
Well I can see your point there for newer players I guess, but only is Sealed were affordable to new players, which it is not.

And for anyone like myself with a great card collection, there is almost no reason to play Sealed. It's simply a more simple version of the game I love. While it is cool to gamble and try some new stuff in Sealed now and then, in my experience, considerable with the Duels franchise, Sealed has always been a simple game with much less interaction than the other modes I love like 2HG and Constructed.
 
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Agreed.

Skipping dem lengthy replies.

Yes, skip logic and let's just believe. Together now. If there is enough of us spouting illogical variations on the same random thoughts well there is no choice but to believe this.

Except that poster hasn't actually posted anything of worth concerning the logical details of Sealed. They just say everyone here is saying you are wrong, so you must be wrong. We all know that is the sign of being right!

Jesus these replies are horrible. At least the one poster had something of worth to say.
 

LiQuid!

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Oct 26, 2017
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As someone who is bad at anything the prospect of ANY mode that asks me to pay actual money to prove how "good" I am is an insta-pass for me. The only way I know how to play these types of games is via collecting and building constructed decks. The fact that draft and limited modes are so popular confounds me. I might join some of the drafts you can buy into with gold cause they seem like a decent way to at least draft some specific cards if you don't care about scrubbing out. Buying into gem only modes tho is literally just throwing money away for me.
 

Bucca

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Oct 25, 2017
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If you play Rat Deck you are scum.

Also, deranking all the way back to the start of the rank after losing 1 game is bulllllllllllllllllllshit.
 
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What's funny is that people say you don't just jam in creatures, but every single Sealed match I have played in this version, and most in Duels as well, comes down to 4 or 5 creatures staring at each other until one guy kills the best creature on the other side. Sealed has such simplistic gameplay specifically, objectively, because your card pool is hideously small. You literally don't have many spells to cast, you have very few interactive spells, and altogether most Sealed matches come down to who cast the best creature first. While there is more to Sealed matches, there really isn't much more. I've played Magic for 15 plus years going on 20. Sealed is the most simplistic and redundant mode in Magic I have ever played.

And no one here has done anything to justify their logic in defending their position versus the other modes. Until you can produce that logic you fail. You don't just get to say oh man 4 other people here agree Sealed is awesome you are wrong. That is not the point. I don't care if you think Sealed is awesome.

Right now it is a very expensive mode. And beyond that it is one of the most simple Magic modes out there.
 

kidnemo

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Yes, skip logic and let's just believe.

LOL, okay dog, you got me.

Multiple people have told you that you are being combative. You're being condescending (tell us again how your experience is so much more valid and everyone else is just "waxing nostalgic"). Multiple people have told you your stance is wrong on something and that you are pushing your own opinion as fact.

It's your choice to decide if you want to accept it and do some self reflection or keep fighting from your island.

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So I still haven't spent any of my wildcards yet, waiting to see how the meta fleshes out a bit before I commit. I WILL say I'm most likely going to buy in for a play set of these guys for the green stompy:

https://shop.tcgplayer.com/magic/dominaria/steel-leaf-champion

Turn two with a mana dork seems like a pretty powerful play and a great card for the 3 spot.
 

caylen

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For people unfamiliar with tracking the metagame, a helpful (but not perfect) resource is the Magic Online official event decklist repository:

https://magic.wizards.com/en/content/deck-lists-magic-online-products-game-info

For Standard - I'd strongly encourage that if you are mindful on how much you invest, to wait for a major IRL event to dictate the early meta signals, but this is a pretty helpful resource to see what could potentially work.
 
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LOL, okay dog, you got me.

Multiple people have told you that you are being combative. You're being condescending (tell us again how your experience is so much more valid and everyone else is just "waxing nostalgic"). Multiple people have told you your stance is wrong on something and that you are pushing your own opinion as fact.

It's your choice to decide if you want to accept it and do some self reflection or keep fighting from your island.

*

So I still haven't spent any of my wildcards yet, waiting to see how the meta fleshes out a bit before I commit. I WILL say I'm most likely going to buy in for a play set of these guys for the green stompy:

https://shop.tcgplayer.com/magic/dominaria/steel-leaf-champion

Turn two with a mana dork seems like a pretty powerful play and a great card for the 3 spot.

No one here has made any credible argument to the contrary. I have outlined in my posts specifically why this is true. Because you keep using this group think BS, let me spell it out for you so you can craft your logical retort:

Sealed: (versus Standard)

Card base defined by randomly generated cards.

Limited card base of 40 cards.

Each user has as a less complex array of spells and creatures.

Users can only select from the predefined random card base.

Games often culminate with an array of creatures on each side because of the limited/random nature of instant/sorcery spells.

Topdecking much more common due to the limited/random nature of instant/sorcery spell interactions.

Predefined card base limits creativity and complexity of finalized deck.


If you can honestly retort any of these claims with any amount of decent logic I will give you some credit. You probably have not even played a Sealed match in this game, which is whatever...
 

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Why does everyone want to rank up? There's currently no rewards for getting a certain rank, correct?

I actually want to stay in bronze so I'll have easier matches.
 

vid

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Day 6 of reaching the rewards cap for the day. Each day I've felt the small changes to my decks becoming better and better, and today I managed to achieve my "NOPE" control deck dreams. Still haven't spent a dime outside of the Welcome Pack, and have yet to actually spend the gems from that. I did open my GRN Sealed pool though (having redeemed a code I got at GRN Prerelease), but haven't actually constructed a deck for Sealed yet. Just wanted to add the cards to my collection and have the pool in my mind so I could try to put something better than my "Dimir Pile" during the actual Prerelease.

I said that I'd probably fall off from going after the rewards cap every day, but each passing day means my deck improves a bit more and I'm able to get through the fifteen wins a bit faster. Maybe I'll be able to keep it going longer than expected. Dang, Wizards, I could be playing Destiny or Octopath Traveller, and here I am grinding in Magic...
 

Yeef

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If you want to craft the promo planeswalkers (Teferi, Vraska and Ral), make sure you do it before Thursdays patch; after that you won't be able to anymore.
 

Ashodin

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I don't need to learnt the format. I played the format all the time in Magic 2014 or 15 or whatever version had it. And that did not cost money like this version.
Ignoring all the rest of what you said because it didn't even pertain to what I was saying, what I mean is that each limited format is different because of the mechanics and playstyles involved.

You can keep throwing out your "veteran of the game" number all you want, but it doesn't mean anything if you haven't practiced or looked at how Guilds of Ravnica plays as a whole.

I'm just about the same number of years of a veteran as you, but even I know that each individual set release can change the way the game is played just by studying up on how to play the mechanics and getting the feel to the format.

Also, it's pretty strange that you're comparing a limited format versus a constructed format. They're entirely different beasts.

I get it, you're saying that Sealed is much more RNG. Of course it is, you're opening packs of cards and trying to make a deck out of it. What I don't get is why you're yelling about what's already known info.

Sealed is much more of a crapshoot than Draft, but there are those of us who enjoy it because attempting to build the best deck is actually fun out of a pool like that. It's like TCG Bricks. Put what you can find together and make a rocketship.

In terms of how it is with 2K gems and the value you get back, it is exactly equivalent to spending 2K gems on 10 packs. You have the option to do either, but one lets you play magic and potentially earn more (and I'd argue you'd at least get one win unless you, I dunno, don't learn anything about the format or never played Magic).

I just don't get why you have to be so hostile about it.
 
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Ignoring all the rest of what you said because it didn't even pertain to what I was saying, what I mean is that each limited format is different because of the mechanics and playstyles involved.

You can keep throwing out your "veteran of the game" number all you want, but it doesn't mean anything if you haven't practiced or looked at how Guilds of Ravnica plays as a whole.

I'm just about the same number of years of a veteran as you, but even I know that each individual set release can change the way the game is played just by studying up on how to play the mechanics and getting the feel to the format.

Also, it's pretty strange that you're comparing a limited format versus a constructed format. They're entirely different beasts.

I get it, you're saying that Sealed is much more RNG. Of course it is, you're opening packs of cards and trying to make a deck out of it. What I don't get is why you're yelling about what's already known info.

Sealed is much more of a crapshoot than Draft, but there are those of us who enjoy it because attempting to build the best deck is actually fun out of a pool like that. It's like TCG Bricks. Put what you can find together and make a rocketship.

In terms of how it is with 2K gems and the value you get back, it is exactly equivalent to spending 2K gems on 10 packs. You have the option to do either, but one lets you play magic and potentially earn more (and I'd argue you'd at least get one win unless you, I dunno, don't learn anything about the format or never played Magic).

I just don't get why you have to be so hostile about it.

Why? Because I made one post signifying my disdain for this overpriced, shitty mode. I don't claim to be the best Sealed player in the world. In fact, I am probably an average Sealed player, though, the skill gap is much less wide anyway. But then 2 or 3 people in particular started their group think BS with absolutely no validation whatsoever in their posts. They kept alluding to this BS about how I was wrong, yet provided absolutely zero evidence as to why my claims about Sealed were wrong. I was literally being told I was wrong and that's it.

You can read those posts for yourself. Only one poster actually chose to write something, and even then I made a logical retort picking that post apart for poor inductive logic. I don't stand for inane drivel like this. If you want to tell me to calm down fine. But you aren't going to lie to make your case and then claim group think as your fascist "logic".

And then they kept on making bullshit posts without any evidence. My logical claims on Sealed are correct, and I never claimed it did not require skill, but that it required much less skill than standard to build consistent and creative decks. Sealed is a super duper limited mode based on the foundation of RNG. Hey, if it's fun for you or someone else great. That doesn't somehow negate how I feel about the mode, or the logic I have provided in describing such a mode and why to me it is vastly inferior to Standard or Constructed, nevermind the fact it is expensive as hell and does not come with wildcards.

Big deal there. Last I checked those shitty Sealed packs have no wildcards in them. Not sure about Vault progress. But ultimately you are much better off picking packs and just buying them from sets you want. I should know. I spent about 140 on packs, and 10 on Sealed along with a free ticket on Sealed. Sealed was a waste of money. I won't say it is not fun sometimes. It is fun sometimes. But it's also awful as well, and it costs a decent amount of money with very little to give back at least from my experience.

The whole point is that Sealed in an overpriced mode that doesn't give you shit for cards and no wildcards. The other stuff is just logical ideas about why Sealed is a poor man's Magic mode.

Newer players want to know the best bang for your buck. The best bang for your buck is wildcards, the main currency of Magic at this point. Sealed does not provide those.

So I will leave it at that, but I'm not just gonna bow down to insidiously stupid logic posted by a couple people on this board.

"You're wrong dude because we said you are wrong." Why am I wrong? "Because we said so." Yeah no.

I'd say out of a couple hundred games of Sealed I have played 80% or more come down to topdecking with a bunch of creatures laid out against each other. It's boring, simplistic, and RNG based. Whatever.
 
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