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Does Switch need folders?

  • Yes

    Votes: 177 35.0%
  • JackNicholsonYes.gif

    Votes: 127 25.1%
  • Yes... And themes, don't forget the new themes.

    Votes: 212 42.0%
  • I like to live in the chaos.

    Votes: 95 18.8%
  • Folder 2: The Dark UI

    Votes: 59 11.7%

  • Total voters
    505
  • Poll closed .

Epilexia

Member
Jan 27, 2018
2,675
I enjoyed We Are Doomed on PS4 but it didn't grab me for long.

I've always seen Inversus and was interested in the concept but never picked it up. You guys have great things to say about it so I may consider it, lol.

The guy on Debris Infinity above me is insane. I followed the dev of the game on instagram and he said the same thing. He also told me he plans on some sort of Zen Mode for the game, which is basically no HUD.

Where 'We Are Doomed' truly shines is in its infinite arena mode. The "main" levels of the game are a short of tutorial and something to give to normal players "a sense of progression".

The great problem of its main mode, is that the main gimmick of the game, the laser beam, it doesn't work as well. Because you really need a screen filled with enemies to exploit this scoring mechanic.

This video explains very well what's the magic of 'We Are Doomed'.



This beam mechanic of 'We Are Doomed' was greatly expanded in the combo system included in 'Graceful Explosion Machine', that is a game centered in this idea of continually destroying enemies, maximizing the risks, to try to fill your special weapons, obtaining a S Rank.

But in 'Graceful Explosion Machine' I really miss an infinite arena mode. At the end, 'Graceful Explosion Machine' doesn't work as well as 'We Are Doomed' as a score-attack game, because of its more closed nature. All of that said, it's still amazing, because Vertex Pop has a very distinctive sound design in its games.

Regarding 'Inversus Deluxe' its problem is that while it's one of the finest single player shmups made this generation, and I consider this in the same tier as 'Debris Infinity' regarding the finesse of the patterns in its arenas, the game started as a multiplayer competitive game, trying to merge 'Pac-Man Championship Edition DX+' with twin stick elements. So the game was promoted basically as a 4 players competitive game.

And you can't fin too much video footage or reviews talking about its superb single player arcade mode.

For lovers of infinite score attacks arenas in twin sticks, it has the most complete package in the genre, with 11 different arenas, each one with separated leaderboards for the single player and the two players co-op mode.

The great thing is that every arena has a different gimmick and design, and the enemies have different patterns.

It also has one of the most fascinating mechanics in the genre, by including elements like a polarity system similar to 'Ikaruga', and this is exploded in every single aspect of the game.

It's also a game with great production values, and it was tested by some of the most illustrious members of the indie and arcade community for years: to obtain a 5 stars rank it requires to master each arena.

In a fun note, after almost a year without playing 'Inversus Deluxe', this week I have included the game again in my playlist, to try to play with wesman .

And after so many hours playing 'Debris Infinity' the last week, in my first attempt in the first arena, I was able to score 1 million points, obtaining my first 5 starts rank (my previous high score in this arena was in the 700.000 points mark).

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But this is other great thing of the game: I'm not even in the TOP 100 in the leaderboard of this arena, because there is a very active player base of TOP skilled Japanese players. The game was really popular in Japan. So there is a lot of incentive to compete for an high score.

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jariw

Member
Oct 27, 2017
4,283
I wonder if the 3 titles from Kairosoft (Game Dev Story, etc) that arrive on October 11 on the Japan eShop will appear on the NA/EU eShops on the same date?
 

Bananastand

Member
Oct 26, 2017
1,426
Not a lot of new game pages up on the EU eShop. I was fully expecting Marble it Up! to have a tbd date or something since it is already out in the US.
 

mrmoose

Member
Nov 13, 2017
21,175
I wonder if the 3 titles from Kairosoft (Game Dev Story, etc) that arrive on October 11 on the Japan eShop will appear on the NA/EU eShops on the same date?

I didn't even realize they were porting stuff over. I love Game Dev Story (and most of their games) but I don't really see the appeal of playing it on the switch (instead of a smart phone) unless they add something.
 

Primate Ryan

Member
Oct 27, 2017
603
I agree with Opa-Pa that it's well worth it to go back and replay Undertale and do not kill anyone, ever. It's almost like a different game.

West of Loathing is great! Make sure to get Wandersong as well, which I like even more..

It breaks my heart that Wandersong doesn't show up in the charts. It's deliciously upbeat and odd. Yoku and Just Shapes and Beats didn't really chart that high either when they released (somewhere around position 20 on the download charts). These games are all a joy to behold and I really want them to do better.
 

Hispanicguy

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,432
Where 'We Are Doomed' truly shines is in its infinite arena mode. The "main" levels of the game are a short of tutorial and something to give to normal players "a sense of progression".

The great problem of its main mode, is that the main gimmick of the game, the laser beam, it doesn't work as well. Because you really need a screen filled with enemies to exploit this scoring mechanic.

This video explains very well what's the magic of 'We Are Doomed'.



This beam mechanic of 'We Are Doomed' was greatly expanded in the combo system included in 'Graceful Explosion Machine', that is a game centered in this idea of continually destroying enemies, maximizing the risks, to try to fill your special weapons, obtaining a S Rank.

But in 'Graceful Explosion Machine' I really miss an infinite arena mode. At the end, 'Graceful Explosion Machine' doesn't work as well as 'We Are Doomed' as a score-attack game, because of its more closed nature. All of that said, it's still amazing, because Vertex Pop has a very distinctive sound design in its games.

Regarding 'Inversus Deluxe' its problem is that while it's one of the finest single player shmups made this generation, and I consider this in the same tier as 'Debris Infinity' regarding the finesse of the patterns in its arenas, the game started as a multiplayer competitive game, trying to merge 'Pac-Man Championship Edition DX+' with twin stick elements. So the game was promoted basically as a 4 players competitive game.

And you can't fin too much video footage or reviews talking about its superb single player arcade mode.

For lovers of infinite score attacks arenas in twin sticks, it has the most complete package in the genre, with 11 different arenas, each one with separated leaderboards for the single player and the two players co-op mode.

The great thing is that every arena has a different gimmick and design, and the enemies have different patterns.

It also has one of the most fascinating mechanics in the genre, by including elements like a polarity system similar to 'Ikaruga', and this is exploded in every single aspect of the game.

It's also a game with great production values, and it was tested by some of the most illustrious members of the indie and arcade community for years: to obtain a 5 stars rank it requires to master each arena.

In a fun note, after almost a year without playing 'Inversus Deluxe', this week I have included the game again in my playlist, to try to play with wesman .

And after so many hours playing 'Debris Infinity' the last week, in my first attempt in the first arena, I was able to score 1 million points, obtaining my first 5 starts rank (my previous high score in this arena was in the 700.000 points mark).

X4e9dp6.jpg


But this is other great thing of the game: I'm not even in the TOP 100 in the leaderboard of this arena, because there is a very active player base of TOP skilled Japanese players. The game was really popular in Japan. So there is a lot of incentive to compete for an high score.

HiaopGq.jpg


Graceful Explosion Machine needed an endless mode but it doesn't take away how great the game is.

I think every twin stick needs an endless mode.

Picked up Inversus last night and damn is it good. Been reading on the scoring mechanics. So if you miss a shot, that resets your combo...that's frustrating, lol but it makes you play smarter.

Getting those 5 stars will definitely require skill. You need some patience as well, with trying to chain them together.

I didn't know how big this game is in Japan! I read their twitter account earlier and there's a meetup or something in the coming days. That's awesome.
 

Tebunker

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,844
A reasonable price, not everyone is going to accept the Switch tax and we don't have to with many other games staying reasonable
You mean the game that is the same price on both platforms? This is a remake, has remake-ish price, and thats the price everywhere. This isn't a switch tax thing.

Like yeah you can argue the remake is too high priced but this isn't a switch thing
 

Ninjadom

Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,191
London, UK
Do you think Luigi will still use the Gameboy Horror in Luigi's Mansion for 3DS??

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Bonus!! Luigi's Mansion Arcade by Capcom (this is NOT coming to Switch).
 
Aug 29, 2018
1,089
You mean the game that is the same price on both platforms? This is a remake, has remake-ish price, and thats the price everywhere. This isn't a switch tax thing.

Like yeah you can argue the remake is too high priced but this isn't a switch thing

Oh okay fair enough my bad, seems a little crazy but goodluck to them I guess
 

Trace

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,689
Canada
Not a lot of new game pages up on the EU eShop. I was fully expecting Marble it Up! to have a tbd date or something since it is already out in the US.

It'll probably be pretty quick between us having everything together for EU release and it being up on the store. I'm not sure exact timing but it shouldn't be too long.
 

Tebunker

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,844
Oh okay fair enough my bad, seems a little crazy but goodluck to them I guess
I mean $10 could make a huge difference since it doesn't seem like there is a whole lot going on with this complete version.

It is the first time it has gotten a full HD release, but I am not even sure if it includes all the tweaks and changes from the other versions.
 

TheBiInBilingual

THE STORE ENSURED ME THERE WOULDN'T BE FILM
Member
Feb 22, 2018
2,793
Is there a reason why StarLink hasn't appeared on the eShop at all yet? At least not on the Dutch one.. You'd think that's a game Ubi wants to promote on there.
 

Dranakin

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,964
Game Dev Story++ out on the 11th. Plus 2 other games from Kairosoft.

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Interesting. If Prison Architect doesn't go on sale before the 11th, I'll forgo waiting to use my credit on that and use it instead for Game Dev Story++. I've been itching for a management sim game on the Switch, but I can't justify dropping $30 for one eShop game, when great, long-lasting games with replayability like Dead Cells, Stardew Valley, Darkest Dungeon, etc. can be had for less.
 

Hispanicguy

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,432
Would have loved to get Disgaea 1 but other than the HD graphics, it doesn't add much. As much as I like the grind, I've been spoiled by the cheat shop and all the updates that made it much more manageable. If they added that, it would have been a day 1 purchase.
 

Dash Kappei

Member
Nov 1, 2017
4,833
I absolutely loved WoL, its so frustration free. Hope you enjoy it too!

played just a bit yesterday and I already chuckled a couple of times :)

So you mean you killed some in your playthrough? If so, definitely go back and play it without killing anyone. If you already like the game this much, you can't even imagine how great the true ending route is.

I agree with Opa-Pa that it's well worth it to go back and replay Undertale and do not kill anyone, ever. It's almost like a different game.

West of Loathing is great! Make sure to get Wandersong as well, which I like even more..

Wandersong is on my to-buy list for sure but with so many games in my backlog I haven't even started or close to it (The Messenger, Dead Cells, Sonic Mania and a dozen others) I'll be waiting for a discount I think. Heck, I'm 100% sold on Yoku's but still haven't grabbed it even if it was 40%off... from now on I want to only buy games I know I'll play in bed right away, everything else needs to wait for whenever my backlog gets slimmer.

And I have Diablo and Dark Souls retail coming... ugh... but hey 24€ for Dark Souls and €39 for Diablo... could not pass that up lol
 

OrakioRob

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,491
Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
Speaking of Diablo 3, I can't make up my mind about it. I've only played the first Diablo (and love it), so I checked a few D3 videos online, but I mostly find high-level players running and exploding everything around them so fast... it's like they're on autopilot, it doesn't look fun to me. Am I right to assume the game is a lot slower and creepier before you reach endgame or should I just move on and play something else?
 

Primate Ryan

Member
Oct 27, 2017
603
Speaking of Diablo 3, I can't make up my mind about it. I've only played the first Diablo (and love it), so I checked a few D3 videos online, but I mostly find high-level players running and exploding everything around them so fast... it's like they're on autopilot, it doesn't look fun to me. Am I right to assume the game is a lot slower and creepier before you reach endgame or should I just move on and play something else?

It's a bit slower, but never creepy. Diablo 3 is very cartoony and the writing is pretty terrible, especially for the villains. It's nothing like the first game.
 

Tebunker

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,844
I'm not sure that there will *be* an eShop release. Gotta sell them toys. (See also: Skylanders)

The toys can be bought as digital codes, so why shouldn't the main game be available digitally as well?

North American Eshop has a Star Link Digital Edition right now.

Just no preorder

https://www.nintendo.com/games/detail/starlink-battle-for-atlas-switch


It still may only be a cartridge but digital only items with it, but Ubisoft's starlink site really makes it seem like that isn't the case, the digital edition is the one you will buy in the eshop and it comes with all the 'toys' in digital form
 
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Kaitos

Tens across the board!
Moderator
Oct 25, 2017
14,706
Anyone get Valthirian Arc: Hero School Story? I loved My Life as a King and could use a similar game.
 

NateDrake

Member
Oct 24, 2017
7,497
oOo: Ascension for Nintendo Switch | 6 Minutes of Gameplay -- basically you have to make your way through stages that are setup like mazes. Can get pretty challenging but stages also have a fast way to completing them. If you boost, you can jump over ledges and avoid certain obstacles.

 

wesman

Member
Oct 30, 2017
1,203
Pittsburgh
oOo: Ascension for Nintendo Switch | 6 Minutes of Gameplay -- basically you have to make your way through stages that are setup like mazes. Can get pretty challenging but stages also have a fast way to completing them. If you boost, you can jump over ledges and avoid certain obstacles.



Cool! Just saw your video pop up. Would you recommend it for $9?
 

AnimeJesus

Member
Oct 27, 2017
4,171
It's a bit slower, but never creepy. Diablo 3 is very cartoony and the writing is pretty terrible, especially for the villains. It's nothing like the first game.

I just want to echo that the writing is indeed terrible and the story is a huge downgrade after the excellent story\presentation in D2. It also has one of the worst cases of villain taunting I can think of. Gameplay is great though and I believe they will just let you jump straight into Adventure mode in this version.
 

ghoulie

Member
Oct 28, 2017
1,054
I'm curious about this game too.
Was gonna ask about this myself

Been watching a guy on twitch play it. From the description and screenshots on the eshop page, I had assumed it was mostly about building the school and management type stuff, but I'll seen this player do is the dungeon stuff, which looks like a mobile game.
 

HotHamBoy

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
16,423
Interesting. If Prison Architect doesn't go on sale before the 11th, I'll forgo waiting to use my credit on that and use it instead for Game Dev Story++. I've been itching for a management sim game on the Switch, but I can't justify dropping $30 for one eShop game, when great, long-lasting games with replayability like Dead Cells, Stardew Valley, Darkest Dungeon, etc. can be had for less.

Just be aware that as awesome as GDS is, it's pretty shallow compared to something like Prison Architect.
 

sheaaaa

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
1,556
Anyone has any tips for wrapping my head around Binding of Isaac? Played a few runs and I have no idea what's going on. I get cursed randomly, one run I started teleporting to different rooms when I got hit, generally some advice would be good!

Also has all the DLC content been integrated into the main game already?

I agree that the base shooting is quite frustrating and feels weak, but I'm pressing on for now.
 

Zonic

Member
Oct 25, 2017
33,376


So....middle of the month for more NES games? I wish there was a set schedule so we don't have to play the guessing game.
 

Baladium

Banned
Apr 18, 2018
5,410
Sleep Deprivation Zone


So....middle of the month for more NES games? I wish there was a set schedule so we don't have to play the guessing game.


Same here, it's needlessly confusing. We should see a pattern emerge as the months go on though. Maybe they thought adding October's games on the 1st would be too soon after the initial batch of games? Interestingly, October 10th is three weeks after the service launched, and November 1st is three weeks after that. We'll see.
 

HotHamBoy

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
16,423
With "Chicken Range" i velieve we have reached peak shovelware satuation.

This "game" is $19.99/£19.99

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So I assume Overcooked isn't worth getting even on sale because Overcooked 2 is so much better? I haven't got any local friends so it would just be for single player since the first game doesn't have online.



So....middle of the month for more NES games? I wish there was a set schedule so we don't have to play the guessing game.



Speaking of Online... Lol this is such a shit list of games to pitch a subscription.

The other problem with Nintendo's strategy vs is others is that I have zero incentive to sub now if I don't have any games I'm actively playing online. I have no incentive to sub before Smash Bros. The NES games will always be there, I won't miss out on them by waiting.

Where the fuck are the special offers? Are they really going to use those as a bullet point to sell the service and then go a whole month or more without having any?
 
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Zonic

Member
Oct 25, 2017
33,376
Lol this is such a shit list of games to pitch a subscription.

The other problem with Nintendo's strategy vs is others is that I have zero incentive to sub now if I don't have any games I'm actively playing online. I have no incentive to sub before Smash Bros. The NES will always be there, I won't miss out on them by waiting.
Especially when the NES controllers they're offering won't even ship out until December, so might as well wait for the game you want to play releases & when the controller designed specifically for the NES games ships out to subscribe.

Speaking of, I wonder how long they'll let you buy those controllers. I wouldn't mind owning them eventually, but $60 is just way too much. Maybe that's why they're exclusive to their service, so they don't get discounted (though I'm sure it's to not confuse consumers buying it only to find out they don't work unless they spend more money).

What a shame that we're not getting any Castlevania games anytime soon, especially considering PS4 is getting Rondo of Blood + SotN, a rather great bundle. But Konami did put Gradius on the service, maybe we'll see Castlevania down the line along with stuff like Contra. I really just want more 3rd party support considering they seem to be off to a good start.
 

HotHamBoy

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
16,423
Especially when the NES controllers they're offering won't even ship out until December, so might as well wait for the game you want to play releases & when the controller designed specifically for the NES games ships out to subscribe.

Speaking of, I wonder how long they'll let you buy those controllers. I wouldn't mind owning them eventually, but $60 is just way too much. Maybe that's why they're exclusive to their service, so they don't get discounted (though I'm sure it's to not confuse consumers buying it only to find out they don't work unless they spend more money).

What a shame that we're not getting any Castlevania games anytime soon, especially considering PS4 is getting Rondo of Blood + SotN, a rather great bundle. But Konami did put Gradius on the service, maybe we'll see Castlevania down the line along with stuff like Contra. I really just want more 3rd party support considering they seem to be off to a good start.
Just get the 8bitdo pad if you value novelty over ergonomics. At least it will work with more than just NES games.

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jefjay

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,111
Yay! I beat Mom on my 5th run. Who says Binding of Isaac is hard;) I did notice on my next run that there looks to be more floors now. Is that my permanent prize for killing Mom?


Anyone has any tips for wrapping my head around Binding of Isaac? Played a few runs and I have no idea what's going on. I get cursed randomly, one run I started teleporting to different rooms when I got hit, generally some advice would be good!

Also has all the DLC content been integrated into the main game already?

I agree that the base shooting is quite frustrating and feels weak, but I'm pressing on for now.

I have no idea what's going on either half the time. The starting tears are close to useless. The game seems to be all about finding and gathering as many items as you can. Even at the expense of hearts. And not all are good. As far as I can figure the game is about embracing that chaos. Good or bad.