We literally had a time walk deck being tier 1 in standard until last week :p
Some neat uw stuff out there - im nowhere near familiar enough with the meta yet to play it though.
We literally had a time walk deck being tier 1 in standard until last week :p
Edit: side note, was there a design article that explains their goals to remove true board clear from the game? As a historical player that hasn't played in quite some time...that's a gaping hole and I'd be interested to see the intentions behind it.
Fucking Niv is tough man. There are just not enough board control options. Are there any enchant kills besides counters or returns on all of red and blue? I mean it's like it's not even fair to be honest. One enchant comes out and you can do nothing about it.
Might have to think about doing a tri color if this continues. I'm single-handedly losing 80% of matches to the white enchant exiles. I have no answer for them.
Losing to mostly dudes just casting creatures for the most part. I've got my deck sorted pretty well, I just can't really ever seem to get board control down. And like I said whenever they exile something it's usually after a full mana cast. I almost never have enough to counter back. And it's basically over cuz blue red has no enchant kills.
It's funny thinking back at how normal it was at the time. Perhaps because we had so few other game options the imbalances seemed quaint. I particularly miss cards like Tithe. One mana for that?!? So fair!!
Overall spell power is much lower and creature efficiency not even comparable. Almost none of the early 'efficiency' creatures would be good these days.
You're on a 17 game streak and haven't got silver yet? I feel like I got silver pretty quick, around 15 wins and some losses.17-0 with this deck now.
This game was fun as hell I got severely flooded early and had to hold the game down with some tokens and a couple cheap creatures like Doomed Dissenter and Deathbloom Thallid (LOVE these cards that make tokens when they die). He had 2x Diamond Mare healing him so much and one of those 2/2's that can only be blocked by spirits, so he was pinging me for 3 damage every turn and healing up to 25+ life. Flood ended up paying off when I get Verdant Force out, but he had 3x Water Knots and a Capture Sphere locking down everything I had except my tokens. That's when Whisper Blood Liturgist showed up for the first time since I started playing this deck and I was using him to sac my own creatures (which made tokens!) then sac'ing tokens to resummon them for free! What a dumb card!
Love that after all these wins with this deck I'm still finding new win conditions.
Rakdos hand discard is a pretty ok deck in modern tbf.I LOVED playing hand discard, but can totally understand why its not a thing anymore.
Nut draw - dark rituals - hymm to tourach - hypnotic spectre - pass turn
Then add in necropotence? Ooooof
AMAZING when its you playing it, not so fun the other way around.
And yea, juzam djinn used to be THE creature. Now look at him...
Left field question: does anyone have a URL to a collection of what the decklists are for the free decks you *can* get in Magic Arena?
It might be more helpful for us more experienced players to help the "new to magic" community do some recommended cheap edits (common/uncommon wild card changes) to those than lecture new players on just how and why Magic works, especially in a standard meta. If I can find some time this evening, I might make some recommended changes and share in thread.
Taking advantage of the topic are there any magic game for PS4 or iOS? Or any other good card game? I love card games but the options seems scarce.
Feeling like burn isn't all that good this format due to their not being cheap plus draw cards
Thanks... I will check it on iOS... I couldn't find on PS4.Well yeah they have the Duels series. Single player actually is not too bad. I recommend Duels 2013 and 2014.
I've been mainly getting Ixalan packs in order to build up my dino cards, but I haven't been getting many yet. SHould I instead be using my cash towards another pack?
The Merfolk are becoming more interesting to me after playing against some of these decks.
Feeling like burn isn't all that good this format due to their not being cheap plus draw cards
Alternatively, you can use Scryfall's Future Standard search.Posting this again. Complete card lists for each set:
Dominaria: https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/card-image-gallery/dominaria
Ixalan: https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/card-image-gallery/ixalan
Guilds of Ravnica: https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/card-image-gallery/guilds-ravnica-2018-09-19
Core 2019: https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/card-image-gallery/core-set-2019-2018-06-22
Rivals of Ixalan: https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/card-image-gallery/rivals-of-ixalan
Ya, currently out of uncommon wildcards so that doesn't help either. I need 4 for chart a course and that 3 cost goblin which deals 1 damage to everything seems pretty good. But yea, while there's some good single target clear, there's a severe lack of AOE burn this season. Which means you'll be losing against token decks pretty easy. Also, I don't think we have a good X cast burn card which means you just lose late game most times.It takes a long time to get it going. IMHO Niv decks--blue/red--need to be toned and then toned again against a wide variety of enemies. I just spent the last 3 hours tuning my deck, and overall it is doing pretty well now.
You aren't going to be able to put much draw in your deck I think unless you make a tri color deck. I did see one guy with 3 or 4 colors just stamp me out, but he drew a planeswalker early and it's hard to get rid of them when they have first turn and a god hand.
As for burn there is definitely plenty of cheapish burn, but no real cheap clears. So I been using the counter Ionize along with dragons to back up my deck. I'd say Niv is pretty hard to use and not for beginners.
While it's a pretty good card, it does nothing for you early game. As no one is gonna let you draw 3 at that stage.There's that jump start one that can deal 4, if opponent declines you draw 3, I've seen the Izzet people playing that, one guy drew his whole deck against me playing it 8 times and new enigma drake.
There 100% is. I've encountered too many mirrors to make me think otherwiseAlso, I want to say that there is clearly match rigging/shaping going on. On the forums and all throughout closed beta they talk about it. I guess it helps some newer players, but I have noticed playing a lot more mirror burn matches now that I am playing Niv. Not too big a deal, but there certainly is a weird algorithm going on here too.
Is there a deck with niv mizzet going on?Also, I want to say that there is clearly match rigging/shaping going on. On the forums and all throughout closed beta they talk about it. I guess it helps some newer players, but I have noticed playing a lot more mirror burn matches now that I am playing Niv. Not too big a deal, but there certainly is a weird algorithm going on here too.
Banefire is pretty good though?Ya, currently out of uncommon wildcards so that doesn't help either. I need 4 for chart a course and that 3 cost goblin which deals 1 damage to everything seems pretty good. But yea, while there's some good single target clear, there's a severe lack of AOE burn this season. Which means you'll be losing against token decks pretty easy. Also, I don't think we have a good X cast burn card which means you just lose late game most times.
While it's a pretty good card, it does nothing for you early game. As no one is gonna let you draw 3 at that stage.
That red/black starter deck is pretty good. Some minor tweaking will allow for a decent deck
There 100% is. I've encountered too many mirrors to make me think otherwise
Thanks ill look at them to decide my.next paxk purchasesPosting this again. Complete card lists for each set:
Dominaria: https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/card-image-gallery/dominaria
Ixalan: https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/card-image-gallery/ixalan
Guilds of Ravnica: https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/card-image-gallery/guilds-ravnica-2018-09-19
Core 2019: https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/card-image-gallery/core-set-2019-2018-06-22
Rivals of Ixalan: https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/card-image-gallery/rivals-of-ixalan
Ahhh, was looking for something like that. Only saw x RR so far. X R is pretty good tho.Is there a deck with niv mizzet going on?
Banefire is pretty good though?
While you're at it, would you like to give feedback to my long ass post a bit further above? :PAhhh, was looking for something like that. Only saw x RR so far. X R is pretty good tho.
Is there a deck with niv mizzet going on?
Banefire is pretty good though?
Before the game went down I was 17-2 with this deck, both losses to grixis, hmm....
Ajani's is my attempt to replace Authority of the Consuls.
Sounds good. I got one Niv myself and was playing with the thought of going in that direction but I try to go for something else for now. (I'd really like to hear your feedback on it, it's like 10 posts further up. The long as fuck one. :P)I've made my own Niv deck to try and match the tokens. The one they gave me was garbage. Because there is no AOE burn, you just gotta pick and choose wisely and see how it plays out. Niv is of course an amazing dragon, and so are a couple of the others like Demanding Dragon. At 5 cost he comes in and burns for 5 to face or the sack a creature. One of the best 5 cost around IMO. I went a little higher on the range with a couple 6 cost creatures, Sarkhan and Riv PWs, and a whatever else that fits and synergizes.
Niv to me needs the higher end because without it you are just going to suffer. To me Demanding Dragon is 100% needed because you need to burn tokens and then get to your bigger creatures ASAP to get their life down. I use one banefire right now. Looking to replace maybe one burn spell for another that targets the face. Still, I got plenty of burn. Spit Flame is decent as is the one that exiles.
Banefire is a big wincon when it works. But having too many of those means you are depending on late game wins. Not quite sure I can support two of them in my deck, though, I am thinking about it.
I didn't get the saproling deck sadly... got the vampire one though at least.I got my free decks and am quite sad to be missing the vampire and dinosaur ones.
Today I got ub pirate deck which I didn't care for at all.
Fiery Cannonade from Ixalan is a pretty good option for this need.
In some games (e.g. Hearthstone) people sometimes suspect it happens conspiracy theory style, but as far as I'm aware they explicitly acknowledge trying to work it into the matchmaking algorithm here -- "deck quality" matchmaking? I wonder how they do it.Also, I want to say that there is clearly match rigging/shaping going on. On the forums and all throughout closed beta they talk about it. I guess it helps some newer players, but I have noticed playing a lot more mirror burn matches now that I am playing Niv. Not too big a deal, but there certainly is a weird algorithm going on here too.
Sounds good. I got one Niv myself and was playing with the thought of going in that direction but I try to go for something else for now. (I'd really like to hear your feedback on it, it's like 10 posts further up. The long as fuck one. :P)
Also what do you think of beacon coil?
I usually don't go over 2 X cost cards in a burn deck. As the game shouldn't really last that long. Best scenario is an X cost with flashback or jump-start. Def gonna look into adding bigger monsters and some harder hitting spells. As once you hit top deck mode grabbing shock is not ideal.I've made my own Niv deck to try and match the tokens. The one they gave me was garbage. Because there is no AOE burn, you just gotta pick and choose wisely and see how it plays out. Niv is of course an amazing dragon, and so are a couple of the others like Demanding Dragon. At 5 cost he comes in and burns for 5 to face or the sack a creature. One of the best 5 cost around IMO. I went a little higher on the range with a couple 6 cost creatures, Sarkhan and Ral PWs, and a whatever else that fits and synergizes.
Niv to me needs the higher end because without it you are just going to suffer. To me Demanding Dragon is 100% needed because you need to burn tokens and then get to your bigger creatures ASAP to get their life down. I use one banefire right now. Looking to replace maybe one burn spell for another that targets the face. Still, I got plenty of burn. Spit Flame is decent as is the one that exiles.
Banefire is a big ender when it works. But having too many of those means you are depending on late game wins. Not quite sure I can support two of them in my deck, though, I am thinking about it.
Beacon coil seems good, but I think it kinda suffers due to how many monsters the red/blue decks run. Meaning there's not as many as you would like in the graveyard most times.Sounds good. I got one Niv myself and was playing with the thought of going in that direction but I try to go for something else for now. (I'd really like to hear your feedback on it, it's like 10 posts further up. The long as fuck one. :P)
Also what do you think of beacon coil?
Yeah I forgot about that one. I will have to think about it. I have been building my deck to combat the tokens outside of AOE, so not sure 2 damage will do what I want, but for sure it is something to think about.Fiery Cannonade from Ixalan is a pretty good option for this need.
Before the game went down I was 17-2 with this deck, both losses to grixis, hmm....
Ajani's is my attempt to replace Authority of the Consuls.
I usually don't go over 2 X cost cards in a burn deck. As the game shouldn't really last that long. Best scenario is an X cost with flashback or jump-start. Def gonna look into adding bigger monsters and some harder hitting spells. As once you hit top deck mode grabbing shock is not ideal.
Beacon coil seems good, but I think it kinda suffers due to how many monsters the red/blue decks run. Meaning there's not as many as you would like in the graveyard most times.
Notion rain seems pretty good, but don't hurt yourself too much! You never know when you will need that life. Do you want to discard people more at all? I think the weakness of this deck is if something like a good Golgari deck sneaks out a Hex big. You will have trouble ridding it if they have another creature out, and with trample one of them can end you pretty quick. I know some people are pretty surprised when I drop a 12/12 on turn 5, but the sagas should help you there I would hope. Still, your deck there would need a lot of testing. It is too hard for me to tell how it will work out just reading it to be honest. It's a very specialized build. Cool though.Sounds good. I got one Niv myself and was playing with the thought of going in that direction but I try to go for something else for now. (I'd really like to hear your feedback on it, it's like 10 posts further up. The long as fuck one. :P)
Also what do you think of beacon coil?
Hm well then I'll change that counter out.It's hard for me to comment without seeing all the cards. I have to look them up. I don't remember all descriptions. It looks like the deck could use some tuning in game against opponents. Just keep subbing stuff out that you think does not work. Not sure about Sinister Sabotage. I think you really need to be sure you have blue land out. That might not always be consistent. I don't use that counter even in a red/blue deck.
Not quite sure about Soot outside of singleton. My Golgari deck would probably pound that deck pretty hard unless you got those sagas out. I tried Ice saga out but didn't like it in my Niv deck. But it just depends you know on what you are playing. I love elder saga. I also use Phyrexian saga to clear in my golgari deck. To be honest if you can get Phyrexian replace that ice one at least one of them.
Beacon bolt? Anything that depends on having instants and sorcery in the grave I don't particularly find useful as you need a lot of crap in there for it to work, and sometime it just isn't going to work. But sure they can work in decks that are constantly drawing or discarding people. But I would not put too many in.
Yeah I only play 3x Thought Erasure for discard, not sure if I should paly 4 or put some duress in... And yeah I made sure Notion Rain is my only card I lose life over. Maybe I should go for 3x Vraska's contempt since it gives me 2 lif back.Notion rain seems pretty good, but don't hurt yourself too much! You never know when you will need that life. Do you want to discard people more at all? I think the weakness of this deck is if something like a good Golgari deck sneaks out a Hex big. You will have trouble ridding it if they have another creature out, and with trample one of them can end you pretty quick. I know some people are pretty surprised when I drop a 12/12 on turn 5, but the sagas should help you there I would hope. Still, your deck there would need a lot of testing. It is too hard for me to tell how it will work out just reading it to be honest. It's a very specialized build. Cool though.