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428: Shibuya Scramble |OT| Today Was A Good Day
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I love how they're all entirely unsubtle too, it's hilarious.
There's at least a couple more past where you are; not sure if I've seen all of them yet either, of course.
Well, 428 is the spiritual successor to Machi
(But given the abysmal sales of 428 in the West, if you want to play that one, consider learning Japanese)
the game is trolling me for certain now
i saw 2 minorikawa jumps in the same chapter on osawa and thought they jumped to the same time so i totally ignored doing the other and exhausted the other options for the 2 of them and gave up and tried the other jump option also is there really a spelling error "choonsoft" in their own game lol
That's not a real misspelling; they're just joking by changing the name as they would for reference to a different company, hah.
I feel like I'm missing the obvious, currently stuck at the keep outs for Tama and Minorikawa at the 12:00 block, any tips?
Ok, glad I saw this when I was still on the couch after turning off my PS4; I just finished the main game (will post my thoughts after doing more of the bonus stuff tomorrow) and had quit for the night, but it was easy enough to open it back up.
Thing is, there's two Jumps for Minorikawa, and I'm not sure which you mean. Going forward, it'd be best to give the specific time (and ideally a spoiler tagged description of where you're blocked) as well when asking; it's not as easy to tell what you need in retrospect for KOs without that since not every Jump actually is used to clear something. Of course... in this case I guess a time alone doesn't even help, since they're listed for jumping to the same time, 12:35. They do go to different points, so I'll list them in the order of where you'd end up... I'm assuming it's the first one giving you trouble, anyway.
Minorikawa:
Meanwhile, do both of the above and you should end up fine for Tama? If not...
Tama:
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Osawa 12:35
You'll need to have Toyama go by Osawa's house, and then have Osawa be there to save him.
You'll need to have Toyama go by Osawa's house, and then have Osawa be there to save him.
Achi 12:45
Though I think this one is by default, so...
Though I think this one is by default, so...
Meanwhile, do both of the above and you should end up fine for Tama? If not...
Tama:
Minorikawa 12:50
But I'm fairly sure you'll have this by default; I thought a choice might be involved but it does what you'd need either way, and the other one I thought about causes bad ends. So it shoooould be by default, I think.
But I'm fairly sure you'll have this by default; I thought a choice might be involved but it does what you'd need either way, and the other one I thought about causes bad ends. So it shoooould be by default, I think.
Got my copy, 11-12 am block
Consider me hooked, game.
Also, i see someone on the team really likes Twin peaks uh?
I'm glad i kept Osawa's chapter for last because...holy shit, was that unexpected. Now i really wonder how this deadly virus stuff is going to tie with all the rest.
Consider me hooked, game.
Also, i see someone on the team really likes Twin peaks uh?
Yeah that's my bad, I actually made more specific notes and then totally blanked on using them since it was late. Thanks for the tips and checking it out for me though, I'll give it a shot in a little bit.
I'd really appreciate some help with the bonus content. But if possible, only a hint, please...
Also...
Could I at least get a person or hour block for the 4th question about the "argument"? I felt so good about the first 3 - I even immediately guessed the first by chance, hah - but this was... maybe less memorable than they expected? Cause I can't find it, but I don't want to just be told it (especially as the only guide I found seems to be a straight list where I'd likely end up seeing another couple after), hmm.
meanwhile this Osawa waiting for movement to end one sucks; there's a lot of different moving backgrounds in that unclogging scene and there's like 0 ability to jump through most of the conversation so it took forever to keep trying different parts...
even though from the other 2 I know it only takes like 30 seconds for the code to appear, and that it's a panning camera, I have no idea if that's the rule or those 2 are just nice
...honestly for that one I would appreciate just being told what part/line it is, if anyone knows, so I can stop wasting time on that one specifically; at some point I should give up and use a guide entirely but I want to try first...
meanwhile this Osawa waiting for movement to end one sucks; there's a lot of different moving backgrounds in that unclogging scene and there's like 0 ability to jump through most of the conversation so it took forever to keep trying different parts...
even though from the other 2 I know it only takes like 30 seconds for the code to appear, and that it's a panning camera, I have no idea if that's the rule or those 2 are just nice
...honestly for that one I would appreciate just being told what part/line it is, if anyone knows, so I can stop wasting time on that one specifically; at some point I should give up and use a guide entirely but I want to try first...
Also...
I, uh, just realized I only got the "normal" ending. Rather, I was pretty satisfied with it despite some sadness, and so despite having noticed that it was titled that while moving around the timeline, I expected "true" to require bonus content...
But then while looking for hints now, I saw people talking earlier in the thread and they seem to have gotten it before doing any of that, sooo. Don't tell me anything, but I guess as soon as I get home tomorrow I'm trying to get that...
Why couldn't I have seen that an hour ago, aaaaaah...
EDIT: and glancing again earlier in the thread, the brief flash of a tagged hint I saw at least lines up with my expectations of what choices to make to get it (since... I expected at least one to matter but then I got all bad ends before it even would have kicked in or not), so that's good to know
But then while looking for hints now, I saw people talking earlier in the thread and they seem to have gotten it before doing any of that, sooo. Don't tell me anything, but I guess as soon as I get home tomorrow I'm trying to get that...
Why couldn't I have seen that an hour ago, aaaaaah...
EDIT: and glancing again earlier in the thread, the brief flash of a tagged hint I saw at least lines up with my expectations of what choices to make to get it (since... I expected at least one to matter but then I got all bad ends before it even would have kicked in or not), so that's good to know
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Yep, I imagine it was deliberate.Have you guys noticed the signature on Jack Stanley's ID card?
I was legitimately surprised it wasn't a Twin Peaks reference instead.
The same goes for Stanley's name at all, really. I guess there is an FBI agent with the last name Stanley, but even that'd be on the very subtle side of things for their references.
The same goes for Stanley's name at all, really. I guess there is an FBI agent with the last name Stanley, but even that'd be on the very subtle side of things for their references.
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You want the part shortly after the clog, Kajiwara comes into Osawa's office and there's a close up on his hands with the gloves on.
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Do you mean
The Mean Clean stuff?
If yes,
Input the code on the screen you found it on.
I feel bad as I already folded and looked that quiz answer up carefully (though only that, so the rest helps!). I can't believe I missed it either because when I had to go to that conversation for the code there, it was obvious. I knew it was very likely Minorikawa to begin with - since who else gets into arguments - but for some reason I blanked on that one happening, and Oorai's interview didn't have it, so... whoops.
And... ah, damn it. I was wondering if there was a different bit with gloves, and I remembered another shot, but he wasn't wearing them when he had the ticket! I'm angry I wasted that time... but thank you very much for the help!!
...now, I'm similarly stuck on a few others (including the argument one, actually) but I'll just ask about those in a couple days. It's probably not worth more than a few minutes each but it's an excuse to fit in some Dragalia, so...
And... ah, damn it. I was wondering if there was a different bit with gloves, and I remembered another shot, but he wasn't wearing them when he had the ticket! I'm angry I wasted that time... but thank you very much for the help!!
...now, I'm similarly stuck on a few others (including the argument one, actually) but I'll just ask about those in a couple days. It's probably not worth more than a few minutes each but it's an excuse to fit in some Dragalia, so...
Also,
Sorta wish I'd done this before spending another ~2 hours on bonus stuff so I didn't see the quiz question about the phone call, whoops. But obviously the anime exists so I knew she was alive. Honestly a little more annoyed the 4/28 thing got dropped in here; I obviously can't pretend it's much of a big or important thing to be spoiled for, but that would have been a very nice thing to have hit me on that image...
Along those lines... Canaan, the anime, is a weird thing to think about for me. I never saw it but it was out back when I was real into buying figures and such. I'm very happy I didn't remember enough of the merch I saw back then, as I could vaguely think of both Canaan and Alphard's anime appearances but didn't remember which was which!
Along those lines... Canaan, the anime, is a weird thing to think about for me. I never saw it but it was out back when I was real into buying figures and such. I'm very happy I didn't remember enough of the merch I saw back then, as I could vaguely think of both Canaan and Alphard's anime appearances but didn't remember which was which!
I was looking into that Canaan anime spinoff and apparently this ini Minorikawa:
What the heck happened there...
What the heck happened there...
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Well, the website title is accurate.I was looking into that Canaan anime spinoff and apparently this ini Minorikawa:
What the heck happened there...
I was looking into that Canaan anime spinoff and apparently this ini Minorikawa:
What the heck happened there...
...well, I was wondering if anyone returned. Maybe I will watch it, even if it's not great...
I've been watching the Canaan anime after getting the platinum. There are some characters with cameo appearances who look a lot like their game counterparts (and one who has only appeared as a voice), but the main returning characters all look quite different. If you think Minorikawa looks odd, wait until you see Maria.
I can't say that it's good, mostly it's just kind of dull? It has a couple of interesting points to make about International politics, but nothing particularly deep. I just have the last episode to watch tonight, but I'm pretty much entirely watching for completion at this point.
I can't say that it's good, mostly it's just kind of dull? It has a couple of interesting points to make about International politics, but nothing particularly deep. I just have the last episode to watch tonight, but I'm pretty much entirely watching for completion at this point.
I did generally remember what Canaan looked like from the original airing, so when she first showed up in the game I just assumed her design had been changed for the show.
fucking Kajiwara lmao
Osawa's chapters are so surreal, very serious shit is happening but i'm laughing half of the time.
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When I read it last night it immediately cleared my frustration that I'd wasted like 20-30 minutes trying to find it the other night, when the location was so obvious (I'd tried it first and hadn't realized how this stuff works).
It was perfection.
Does anyone know how to get bad end 82? I tried around a couple times but keep getting different bad ends. Would appreciate the help if anyone knows. I'm following that fuwanovel guide but I must be doing something wrong. Guides for this game are also practically nonexistent
Does anyone know the real name of the actor that plays Achi Endo?
EDIT: Ok, so my sister was watching me play the game because it was a live action VN (she's never seen that before) ... and she ended up getting hooked. She's also got a crush on the guy who's playing Achi and is bugging me to find out his name and if he has an Instagram/Twitter account. I haven't finished the game yet and I'm still avoiding spoilers, so I'm a bit hesitant to use Google search for this.
C'mon, help a brother out?
EDIT: Ok, so my sister was watching me play the game because it was a live action VN (she's never seen that before) ... and she ended up getting hooked. She's also got a crush on the guy who's playing Achi and is bugging me to find out his name and if he has an Instagram/Twitter account. I haven't finished the game yet and I'm still avoiding spoilers, so I'm a bit hesitant to use Google search for this.
C'mon, help a brother out?
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I searched for the cast on Google and found Achi. His name is Yûto Nakamura: https://twitter.com/Yuuto_nakamura
I can try to find it specifically when I get home tonight, but off the top of my head, given the numbering... I'm assuming you've beaten the game, to be clear...
It's either one of the bomb ones or right before it, isn't it? There are obviously a few different ways for the bomb to go off. Kano not thinking the bomb's on Palmer (I believe both of these are different endings?), Tateno not stopping the call to Hitomi's phone, etc.
For the bomb exploding, there should be a Kano ending for each Achi ending. If you've gotten all of the other endings, you should have already seen each possible situation. It's a little more complicated to make use of that without hints, especially since they reuse the icons+names of these several times, but that'll at least narrow down how early or late it is in that scene since you should be able to line up the missing ending with the corresponding one on the other character that you do have. Oh, and Kano letting Palmer get away to catch the vial should be like this too, I think?
I can also glance at the Fuwanovel guide now, if you give me a few minutes...
For the bomb exploding, there should be a Kano ending for each Achi ending. If you've gotten all of the other endings, you should have already seen each possible situation. It's a little more complicated to make use of that without hints, especially since they reuse the icons+names of these several times, but that'll at least narrow down how early or late it is in that scene since you should be able to line up the missing ending with the corresponding one on the other character that you do have. Oh, and Kano letting Palmer get away to catch the vial should be like this too, I think?
I can also glance at the Fuwanovel guide now, if you give me a few minutes...
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Oh, whoops, I was completely wrong after glancing at the Fuwanovel guide. I got that one naturally, and wow is that ever a super vague guide that barely connects anything or tells you what you're actually trying to do; I can't even tell who it's for. But thankfully, googling got me a video of the JP version of the ending and so...
I'm pretty sure it's just Stanley's side of Tateno's Bad End 85? I'm guessing you just averted that from happening before you got past a Keep Out on Stanley?
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Thank you! This helped a lot. My problem was that I was trying to get it too early. The guide makes it seem like the ending is right after that choice, but it is actually past a bunch of keep outs lol
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Ryoko's story... Don't know what I expected, but I'll take it, lol.
I bet this game has a big otome fanbase.
I bet this game has a big otome fanbase.
Mostly finished with the game, just have a couple special episodes and the conspiracy routes left. I thought it was pretty great but I kinda got burned out/checked out on some of the side content.
I thought Suzune's scenario was good but skipped through most of Canaan's. Well, skimmed through it, I guess. I got most of the story, but was scrolling through a lot of text. Found it overlong, and didn't care for most of it. If this is what the Canaan anime is like, I'm probably going to skip it.
I thought the mean clean scenario was pretty cool and enjoyed the 'filming' credits. I skipped most of the special episodes I've gotten so far
Since they're so short and viewable in the bonus content, I'll probably go back and give those a proper read when I'm more in the mood.
I thought the mean clean scenario was pretty cool and enjoyed the 'filming' credits. I skipped most of the special episodes I've gotten so far
Since they're so short and viewable in the bonus content, I'll probably go back and give those a proper read when I'm more in the mood.
i'm stuck once again but near what i think is the end
i can't get around achi shouting susumu and having alphard throw the vials in the air, again i've exhausted pretty much most of the options that i think would have an impact on the event but no change, after the last point i got stuck on (with minorikawa guessing the wrong name) i figure the trigger is going to be something really dumb like osawa refusing a banana at the begining of the game
It is worth remembering that only choices within a block can affect that block, but you might want to look back nearer the start of that block for some changes.
For something a bit more spoilery:
Did you salute with Kano?
i did it just before i saw the quote alert
i didn't think the game would pull this on me and allow me to jump to new character viewpoints, if i think i'm as far as i am it seems weird that the game is adding this in as a feature
I really liked it- you're getting ends on characters that aren't as relevant over the past few hours, and now someone else gets to take the stage.
Of course, I was also lucky and picked the perfect things for that Jump the first time without knowing about it first, thinking that they would be the "bad" options as I thought Tatento might see Kano as too idealistic, hah. So I wasn't ever stuck thinking "...how can these 2 even change this?" I think "...can I become Tateno...?" would have been an interesting thing to wonder, though...
Though, I should say I waited before I was completely stuck where you are to actually use it.
Of course, I was also lucky and picked the perfect things for that Jump the first time without knowing about it first, thinking that they would be the "bad" options as I thought Tatento might see Kano as too idealistic, hah. So I wasn't ever stuck thinking "...how can these 2 even change this?" I think "...can I become Tateno...?" would have been an interesting thing to wonder, though...
Though, I should say I waited before I was completely stuck where you are to actually use it.
Now that I've finally properly finished DQXI, I'm coming back to this game, and I'm really loving the writing, the flow and the overall tone of the game.
The localization is stellar in the sense that it's never stilted and manages to convey a lot of things. I absolutely love some of the contextual definitions you get when you press square. The sea lion impression might be my favorite so far.
I just reached 14:00 and Yanigishita is my MVP. The actor is fantastic, so much screenshot material there.
(spoilers up to 14:00)
The localization is stellar in the sense that it's never stilted and manages to convey a lot of things. I absolutely love some of the contextual definitions you get when you press square. The sea lion impression might be my favorite so far.
I just reached 14:00 and Yanigishita is my MVP. The actor is fantastic, so much screenshot material there.
(spoilers up to 14:00)
I never go looking for these things, but I really expected Tama to be Maria, given how the game went out of its way to hide her identity. So I'm glad it's already out of the way, because that means it's not a particularly huge late game twist.
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I sorta expected it, but I was surprised they revealed it so soon! I do prefer that from the "I want the twist to happen sooner" perspective I usually get when I know a spoiler, but since it was only a prediction here I got to feel the side of wondering if it was true and how they'd reveal it. So it was definitely a bit of a shock still, and I think it was definitely a good time to reveal it rather than drag it out.
Also, yes, the Tips are amazing. Some are hilarious, and then others are somehow emotional/sentimental gut punches within the span of a paragraph. I feel like the localization really shines there in particular, too.
Honestly, it might have one of the best localizations I've seen like... ever...? To the degree that I can't be actually annoyed that we didn't get a game I love like this, that really goes right for some themes/mechanics that I'm so into, a decade ago when it came out in Japan, because it would never have gotten this fantastic localization.
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No joke. I can't imagine it having gotten this layer of love and care.
It's a crying shame it isn't more appreciated. They outdid themselves on every level. (Still kind of surprised some of the sillier typos got through...)
Did this game really bomb sales wise? That'd be unfortunate. The localization is amazing and the game completely deserves it.
I thought the Canaan anime was -terrible- when I watched it like 10 years ago. Its so much worse in retrospect. It took all the fun and charm of this game and slapped a shitty anime aesthetic all over it. I'll just pretend like it doesn't exist honestly.
I thought the Canaan anime was -terrible- when I watched it like 10 years ago. Its so much worse in retrospect. It took all the fun and charm of this game and slapped a shitty anime aesthetic all over it. I'll just pretend like it doesn't exist honestly.
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Yeahhhhh, I've noticed a lot of games releasing lately with little to no marketing and then bombing. No one is saying ANYTHING about Punchline. It feels like they're just releasing some of these games for the people who know about it and want it, not actually hoping to get amazing sales. It says only like 100 people own it on psnprofiles lol. I know it's not indicative of everyone who owns it but that's a pretty sad number.
That's what I feared. That's how i felt about the
Canaan scenario.
Superniche games being localized on a shoe-string budget don't have the means to be heavily marketed. The audience for visual novels is inherently very small, costs have to be cut to have these games come over at all. Like most visual novels coming over need to be profitable with a few thousand sales because very few games in this genre ever get beyond that.
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I honestly can't see how Spike could have marketed it better shy of commercials(lol). They did just about everything viable: blogs, videos, character highlights, etc.
People just weren't interested.
People just weren't interested.
I know people that were interested but not for the price they were selling it at.
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Games with much less content still sell for more, but it being a VN did it no favors I guess.
Yeah, the way I see it, the three limiting factors were:
- the genre. VN itself is a niche, but this is a subset that will turn off some people who are looking for anime games.
- pricing. I think the value is fair, but I can see how a lot of people would wait for a sale.
- release date. September was stacked, and releasing at the same time as DQXI in particular didn't help. It released later in Europe but I don't think releasing later was great either. I guess a better window would have been July or August.
- the genre. VN itself is a niche, but this is a subset that will turn off some people who are looking for anime games.
- pricing. I think the value is fair, but I can see how a lot of people would wait for a sale.
- release date. September was stacked, and releasing at the same time as DQXI in particular didn't help. It released later in Europe but I don't think releasing later was great either. I guess a better window would have been July or August.