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Finished with Torchwood season 2, really enjoyed it but it was a bit shaky at points, but overall really solid. The ending was terrific and I hadn't expected them going so far. Now about 40 minutes into Children of Earth and the premise is terrifying, I can't wait to see how it goes.
 

mclem

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BBC America showing commercials for fixing your curved erection during a Doctor Who marathon is something else.

People assume an erection is a strict progression of shaft to head, but *actually* from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint - it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly... dicky-wicky... stuff.
 

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Did... Did you really?!

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APZonerunner

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Finished with Torchwood season 2, really enjoyed it but it was a bit shaky at points, but overall really solid. The ending was terrific and I hadn't expected them going so far. Now about 40 minutes into Children of Earth and the premise is terrifying, I can't wait to see how it goes.

The dark secret is I think you're probably watching the best bit of television to come out of modern Doctor Who right now - enjoy it
 

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There's been no leaks/reveals of the titles, right? Curious as to what they'll do with them this time. The move away from the vortex to the clock theme of the last titles seemed like the biggest departure in a while, would be interesting to see whether they'll try for something even more different this time around.
 
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I'm jumping in (the series). Never saw an episode, but have seen a few clips and the tone seems slightly comedic/goofy (maybe? maybe not?), and I'm intrigued. Should I start with the Matt Smith era, the David Tennant era, or just start in the gosh dang 60s and go onward? I'm not usually inclined to watch a million of hours of something, but I'm also not super against it.

(I'm sure this type of post is common here, haha, sorry!)
 

ClivePwned

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I'm jumping in (the series). Never saw an episode, but have seen a few clips and the tone seems slightly comedic/goofy (maybe? maybe not?), and I'm intrigued. Should I start with the Matt Smith era, the David Tennant era, or just start in the gosh dang 60s and go onward? I'm not usually inclined to watch a million of hours of something, but I'm also not super against it.

(I'm sure this type of post is common here, haha, sorry!)

well, you could wait till sunday and start with the New Doctor. Maybe the Christmas Special Twice Upon a Time since we see Jodie Whittaker at the very end.

Otherwise, pick the first story of any Doctor since Paul McGann on. Apart from David Tennant's first story, they pretty much tell you what you need to know (since they all have new companions who need the premise explained to them). The tone of the show does change every time there's a new Doctor and even more so when there's a new Showrunner.
 
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well, you could wait till sunday and start with the New Doctor. Maybe the Christmas Special Twice Upon a Time since we see Jodie Whittaker at the very end.

Otherwise, pick the first story of any Doctor since Paul McGann on. Apart from David Tennant's first story, they pretty much tell you what you need to know (since they all have new companions who need the premise explained to them). The tone of the show does change every time there's a new Doctor and even more so when there's a new Showrunner.
Fantastic. Thanks. :)
 

Ignatz Mouse

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If production values aren't important to you, start with the first of NuWho, the Ninth Doctor (Eccleston). It explains a lot for new viewers, since it was coming off a very long hiatus.

If you want more polished, start with the 11th. I'm not a big fan of the Smith era, but lots of people are and it *is* a fantastic intro to a doctor and companion.
 
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I'm jumping in (the series). Never saw an episode, but have seen a few clips and the tone seems slightly comedic/goofy (maybe? maybe not?), and I'm intrigued. Should I start with the Matt Smith era, the David Tennant era, or just start in the gosh dang 60s and go onward? I'm not usually inclined to watch a million of hours of something, but I'm also not super against it.

(I'm sure this type of post is common here, haha, sorry!)

AV Club just did an article on where to start.

https://www.avclub.com/a-timey-wimey-guide-to-the-modern-era-of-doctor-who-1829288382
 

Blader

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With one week to go, I watched Twice Upon a Time again over the weekend. What a lovely swansong episode.

Does anyone know the piece of music that played when Bradley returned to his TARDIS and began regenerating? It sounded like an RTD-era piece of music. Almost like Vale Decem, but not that.

I'm jumping in (the series). Never saw an episode, but have seen a few clips and the tone seems slightly comedic/goofy (maybe? maybe not?), and I'm intrigued. Should I start with the Matt Smith era, the David Tennant era, or just start in the gosh dang 60s and go onward? I'm not usually inclined to watch a million of hours of something, but I'm also not super against it.

(I'm sure this type of post is common here, haha, sorry!)
Personally I'd recommend just starting with the new series when it starts on Sunday and following that to the end (Christmas). There's likely another 8-9 month break between the end of this series and the start of the next one, which you could fill with going back and starting from, I guess, Rose.
 
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With one week to go, I watched Twice Upon a Time again over the weekend. What a lovely swansong episode.

Does anyone know the piece of music that played when Bradley returned to his TARDIS and began regenerating? It sounded like an RTD-era piece of music. Almost like Vale Decem, but not that.


Personally I'd recommend just starting with the new series when it starts on Sunday and following that to the end (Christmas). There's likely another 8-9 month break between the end of this series and the start of the next one, which you could fill with going back and starting from, I guess, Rose.
I'll start from Sunday onward then, and then afterwards go probably to the 2005 restart.
Oh, this is fantastic. Thanks.
 

APZonerunner

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Does anyone know the piece of music that played when Bradley returned to his TARDIS and began regenerating? It sounded like an RTD-era piece of music. Almost like Vale Decem, but not that.

It's just "Vale", which plays a few times as 10 approaches his death/regeneration, most notably when he sees the Ood at the end of The Waters of Mars iirc - but it plays a lot in that area and in The End of Time. Vale Decem is like an evolved version of that piece.
 

M.Bluth

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Does anyone know the piece of music that played when Bradley returned to his TARDIS and began regenerating? It sounded like an RTD-era piece of music. Almost like Vale Decem, but not that.
I think it's a rearrangement of that, some on the internet are listing it as Vale Unus, but I don't know if that's accurate... They still haven't released the S10 soundtrack yet?!

I'll start from Sunday onward then, and then afterwards go probably to the 2005 restart.
Might be the best plan, yes.
 

Blader

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It's just "Vale", which plays a few times as 10 approaches his death/regeneration, most notably when he sees the Ood at the end of The Waters of Mars iirc - but it plays a lot in that area and in The End of Time. Vale Decem is like an evolved version of that piece.
Ah ha! That's it. No wonder it sounded so similar... thanks!

I got chills watching that sequence again. As excellent as Capaldi's regeneration is, Moffat and Talalay (and Gold!) really delivered a knockout regeneration for Bradley too.
 

Orion

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Oct 25, 2017
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I've been away from the Doctor Who universe for a few years but I saw a marathon on and I've been watching some of the 10th doctor episodes again. Love David Tennant's Doctor so much. Haven't seen any of the 12th Doctor so I'm curious to see if he's as boring as he seems. Definitely gonna watch the new episodes coming soon since I'm curious about the new Doctor.

Also I'd like to remind everyone that Donna Noble is and will always be the greatest companion of all time. I just watched the episode where she left and I'm feeling very emotional. lol
 

M.Bluth

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Some of the new music may have leaked


It's not actually a leak, people who bought the season on iTunes or Amazon Prime Video should find it in their library.

Funny, though, I was just talking about the music with a friend, thanks to the Vale question above. I loved what I've heard of Akinola's work, but we were curious how's his DW work will sound. I like this a lot, and I hope there's some really memorable stuff throughout the season.
 

Ignatz Mouse

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I've been away from the Doctor Who universe for a few years but I saw a marathon on and I've been watching some of the 10th doctor episodes again. Love David Tennant's Doctor so much. Haven't seen any of the 12th Doctor so I'm curious to see if he's as boring as he seems. Definitely gonna watch the new episodes coming soon since I'm curious about the new Doctor.

Also I'd like to remind everyone that Donna Noble is and will always be the greatest companion of all time. I just watched the episode where she left and I'm feeling very emotional. lol

Check out 12's last season. He's not boring and Bill is a great companion.
 

Orion

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Check out 12's last season. He's not boring and Bill is a great companion.

I just remember thinking he seemed broody and depressing, which turned me off since I like my Doctor's cheerful and quirky. But yeah I plan on watching some of it since it looks like they're showing all the episodes leading up to the series premiere.
 

ClivePwned

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I just remember thinking he seemed broody and depressing, which turned me off since I like my Doctor's cheerful and quirky. But yeah I plan on watching some of it since it looks like they're showing all the episodes leading up to the series premiere.

that lasted a season before it became all (minor spoiler)
tanks, sunglasses and guitars.
He's much less alien after the first season (though conversely, the show isn't as good for the most part)
 

Ignatz Mouse

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He's more wry and not particularly brooding. But he is grouchy.

Hes my second favorite after 10, though I don't have a lot of exposure to 1-7.
 

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I just remember thinking he seemed broody and depressing, which turned me off since I like my Doctor's cheerful and quirky. But yeah I plan on watching some of it since it looks like they're showing all the episodes leading up to the series premiere.

I'm just a little bit older than Peter Capaldi, so I suppose I found him funny and scarily clever and the most charismatic Doctor Who for some time. But then, I always fall in love with the current Doctor Who. They're all fantastic.
 

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tanks, sunglasses and guitars.

The velvet jacket, the guitar and the sunglasses were long overdue. I'm of his generation so I wish I'd just splurged on a dozen of those £10 black velvet jackets when they were all being sold off on that stall in Camden Market in the late 1990s. It's a classic look. Being Doctor Who means you can go back to that stall any time, and pair it with an original Tommy Cooper fez.
 

Blader

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that lasted a season before it became all (minor spoiler)
tanks, sunglasses and guitars.
He's much less alien after the first season (though conversely, the show isn't as good for the most part)
I agree about S8 being Capaldi's best outing, but I also think that softening of his personality feeds really well into a bigger transformation that happened for him over the three seasons. I was thinking about this the other night as I watching his last ep again, but you contrast the "Am I a good man?" moment with Clara in Into the Dalek with his final speech to Thirteen, and it really lands home just how much of an arc Capaldi's Doctor underwent -- and how well he and Moffat pulled it off.

It was that growth as a character, and his toxic co-dependent relationship with Clara, that really elevate Capaldi's Doctor into my second favorite.
 

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I agree about S8 being Capaldi's best outing, but I also think that softening of his personality feeds really well into a bigger transformation that happened for him over the three seasons. I was thinking about this the other night as I watching his last ep again, but you contrast the "Am I a good man?" moment with Clara in Into the Dalek with his final speech to Thirteen, and it really lands home just how much of an arc Capaldi's Doctor underwent -- and how well he and Moffat pulled it off.

It was that growth as a character, and his toxic co-dependent relationship with Clara, that really elevate Capaldi's Doctor into my second favorite.

Capaldi is one of those who has some potentially really interesting Big Finish stories in him because of this. Tennant and Smith are relatively static (Smith has his flunk post Ponds, yes, and Tennant has his as-yet unseen 'dark phase' between The Waters of Mars & The End of Time (apart from Day of the Doctor, which falls in that gap), but Capaldi is one of the few to really change on-screen in a significant way, I think, and there's many seasons of great development between Season 9 and 10 for him waiting to be told in the coming years.
 

Paradox

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I agree about S8 being Capaldi's best outing, but I also think that softening of his personality feeds really well into a bigger transformation that happened for him over the three seasons. I was thinking about this the other night as I watching his last ep again, but you contrast the "Am I a good man?" moment with Clara in Into the Dalek with his final speech to Thirteen, and it really lands home just how much of an arc Capaldi's Doctor underwent -- and how well he and Moffat pulled it off.

It was that growth as a character, and his toxic co-dependent relationship with Clara, that really elevate Capaldi's Doctor into my second favorite.

It's interesting that the two Doctors that arguably have the most growth (9+12) start off emotionless and distant and basically learn to care again, whereas 10+11 start off as big bags of feelings and get whittled down every time they lose someone.

I think part of is it probably because, in terms of pure narrative, it's far more satisfying to watch the previously gruff, cold grump become a cuddly teddy bear rather than the bright young thing become a mopey whiner.
 

ClivePwned

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my main beef is with the abrupt nature of both the 12th's Doctor's personality change (same as Clara). It came all once, usually between seasons. Tennant and Smith don't suddenly change personality completely between seasons. Character growth and change is great, if we actually get to see it. Otherwise, it's just bad writing (either in the original version or the retcon). Capaldi's grumpiness resulted in some amazing one liners in Season 8 and after that, the larger than life stuff wasn't as compelling.

That said, the character change for the 12th is nothing on the level of Sylvester McCoy going from over the top goofy clown in his first season to 'God' in his second.
 

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I do understand the change in personality with his failure to find Gallifrey, but the transition was a bit too much. Especially the Sonic Glasses and that guitar. Sweet lord that was way overdone.
 
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What's the guideline for new OTs here again? I might start whipping up a Series 11 OT over the next few days.

OT Title suggestions would also be appreciated!
 

Joqu

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"It's about time" is the boring pick, but I also think it'd make for a really good title

I guess you could also extend it to "It's about time (and space)"?
 

M.Bluth

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What's the guideline for new OTs here again? I might start whipping up a Series 11 OT over the next few days.

OT Title suggestions would also be appreciated!
I'm a Shat Lass!
The Future, the Past, and the Time-Wimey is Female
Still Not Ginger

Or, bitter YouTube comments:
"Nothing left for men over 30 to watch anymore. Disgusting!"
"The Doctor has been finally exterminated"
"SHE BROKE THE TRADITION AFTER 54 YEARS IT'S LIKE NO MORE CHRISTMAS CRACKERS DISLIKE!!"
"Rip Dr who because of pc" — Michael Richardson
 

Blader

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I do understand the change in personality with his failure to find Gallifrey, but the transition was a bit too much. Especially the Sonic Glasses and that guitar. Sweet lord that was way overdone.
Oh really? I didn't think it had to with Gallifrey. I feel like the ending of Death in Heaven + Last Christmas explains the transition between S8 Twelve and Clara and S9. They spend the whole year snapping at each other, in their own weirdly toxic friendly way, to the point where they lie to each other just to spare the other one from journeying together... but realize they can't take being apart like that, and just embrace traveling together as friends. Which is why they're much more buddy-buddy, why Twelve is much more relaxed, and Clara is more devil-may-care in S9. That, and Clara's more self-destructive instincts driven by Danny's death, though I agree that that part of her character was too underwritten.
 
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It's About Time is the obvious pick... apart from the fact that I basically used it for this thread!

I was toying with something along the lines of TARDIS Full of Bras or Nevertheless She Regenerated, but I was hoping for something a little more... all-encompassing? I don't know.
 

Baroque

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Man, someone had waned me that BBC America made weird ass cuts to episodes but I hadn't really noticed until right now watching The Eleventh Hour. It's like they looked at all the fun, important character-building bits and thought "Ehhhh, we don't need those."
 

EvilChameleon

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Man, someone had waned me that BBC America made weird ass cuts to episodes but I hadn't really noticed until right now watching The Eleventh Hour. It's like they looked at all the fun, important character-building bits and thought "Ehhhh, we don't need those."

This is why I don't have faith that they won't butcher the opening episode on Sunday. Cuts, commercials, speed-ups, we'll probably see it all.
 

EvilChameleon

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Dude yes, now i'm freaking out. I don't have money to buy the season on Amazon, which I heard is the best way to see it, and I don't know what to do.

Actually, I just looked ahead to the airing on BBC America on Sunday.

The opening episode is supposed to be 65 minutes long.

BBC America has it slotted in for 1:45 to 3:30. That is an hour and 45 minutes. That's 40 minutes longer than the episode time.

There will absolutely be commercials.

Fuck BBC America.
 

Proteus

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Actually, I just looked ahead to the airing on BBC America on Sunday.

The opening episode is supposed to be 65 minutes long.

BBC America has it slotted in for 1:45 to 3:30. That is an hour and 45 minutes. That's 40 minutes longer than the episode time.

There will absolutely be commercials.

Fuck BBC America.
Space in Canada has it booked till about 3:10. Less commercials but still annoying.