Ok, thanks !
If you're patient, you might be able to play those thanks to fantranslations.
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The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel I and II for PS4 coming west in early 2019
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Ok, thanks !
If you're patient, you might be able to play those thanks to fantranslations.
Its mandatory though to have played Zero and Ao otherwise its pointless to even start CS3/4.
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Oh I know that, but was thinking about 3 and 4 (I'm getting optimistic)
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Those games won't come out before the end of 2019, by then you might be able to play Zero no Kiseki and Ao no Kiseki in English. I mean, you already can, but the fantranslation available right now isn't that great.
I disagree, but only because it's incredibly easy to break it in half and make it unchallenging. You can easily ensure bosses take no or almost no turns, for instance. 95% of combat can be beaten by spamming attack/crafts.
Is CS4 the only game in the series made specifically for PS4? 1,2 and 3 were made for PS3 and Vita in mind and later ported to PS4 not unlike YsVIII right? So the only game where's we should see a significant graphical upgrade will be until 4?
Was there a noticeable graphical difference between a game's PS3 and Vita version other than I assume framerate?
Was there a noticeable graphical difference between a game's PS3 and Vita version other than I assume framerate?
CS3 is ps4 only. Shouldn't have many differences going from CS3 to CS4.
late but completely forgot about Joyoland PC ports lol. (I even bought them recently)
But yeah Korea never got zero or ao.
I want to pick these up despite owning them on PC already. Those steel books look so good, and I want that 50 Mira.
I consider being able to break RPG combat after learning how it works to be a positive, but that's me. And with the way combat in CS works, the idea is indeed to minimize the amount of turns that enemies take. I was satisfied with the challenge for much of Hard mode when starting a new game in CS II (had to restart after Normal wasn't enough).
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Yall buy this too so I can get more of this in situ:
You do not go into this thinking "how long till...". These are VERY holistic games that have payoffs big and little ticking off at regular intervals like wheels within wheels. And some of these payoffs are GAMES out we're still patiently waiting for. Let it set. Let it cook. Enjoy the ride. Note the little details on large ideas. There's alot of careful, masteful subtlety to discover her. And prepare for the best...
...not that you could, of course.
You do not go into this thinking "how long till...". These are VERY holistic games that have payoffs big and little ticking off at regular intervals like wheels within wheels. And some of these payoffs are GAMES out we're still patiently waiting for. Let it set. Let it cook. Enjoy the ride. Note the little details on large ideas. There's alot of careful, masteful subtlety to discover her. And prepare for the best...
...not that you could, of course.
Where would I go for the fan translations?
Actually, both CS3 and CS4 were made specifically on PS4. only CS1 & CS2 were cross gen.
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I'm playing on Hard on a first playthrough (just hit the Finale), and with the right quartz a lot of bosses just get one-shotted before they can move:
Maybe it's just that I mainly play WRPGs, but I find the combat one of the weaker aspects of the game. It's satisfying enough, but I'm glad Turbo exists.
IDK, if you consider the IRL inspiration for Erebonia, it makes a lot more sense.
Falcom learned from the best in the business.
Oh no question, still plenty of one-shotting even on Hard with the right setups. Pretty much why I had to say, "much of Hard mode" (there were still things that could potentially kill me if I didn't pay attention, but Laura did plenty to trivialize many boss and bonus battles). The more options there are to avoid or mitigate damage with the right preparations, the higher my opinion of a battle system. I don't really play any WRPGs outside of Deus Ex, and those have plenty of things to abuse too, yet I also don't really think of great combat when it comes to WRPGs specifically.I'm playing on Hard on a first playthrough (just hit the Finale), and with the right quartz a lot of bosses just get one-shotted before they can move:
Maybe it's just that I mainly play WRPGs, but I find the combat one of the weaker aspects of the game. It's satisfying enough, but I'm glad Turbo exists.
That said, I did appreciate any fights where the enemies actually survived attempts to steamroll them. It could get dull when seeing too many enemies go down easily.
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The said character just is a keen observer and recognizes two people from his past in the first game.
It's not even the same league as the main character in this game, lol what are you on.
Are you sure you don't mean cousin, or are you referring to a briefly-mentioned offscreen character I've forgotten about?
So I have to:
-Play Trails in the Sky SC and TC
-Youtube a lets play of translations for the crossbell arc games
-Play these two on PS4 when they release
Then wait for 3 and 4 for PS4 as well?
Do I have it laid out right?
-Play Trails in the Sky SC and TC
-Youtube a lets play of translations for the crossbell arc games
-Play these two on PS4 when they release
Then wait for 3 and 4 for PS4 as well?
Do I have it laid out right?
Not quite
You do not need to play SC/TC to properly experience Cold Steel
You especially do not need to experience the Crossbell games before Cold Steel (the Crossbell games occur concurrently and the 2nd one significantly spoils CS2)
Trails in the Sky: First Chapter & Trails of Cold Steel 1 are equally valid starting points. The callbacks work both ways, so you still get something when going from Cold Steel ---> Sky and vice versa.
Are you implying that you'd skip FC? you shouldn't skip any game.
Also it's "the 3rd", not TC.
Oh sorry, I already played FC. I didn't know it was specifically called the third. I was trying to remember the names off the top of my head(which is why I just called them crossbell arc games).
It's not a big deal, it's just not a third chapter of a story, it's its own thing. I'm actually playing it right now and it's really interesting.
Is this something the fanbase disagrees on? Because I've heard otherwise which is why I'm trying to play the ones I'd need to maximize the experience.
So many good RPGs being made or ported or remastered these days.
What a fucking time to be alive!
What a fucking time to be alive!
Some swear by playing the original trilogy first, and that's fine. You'll be able to immediately recognize every little callback and reference, but personally I don't think it's 100% vital, and when I played the games in reverse, I had fun with some of the call-forwards.
As for the Crossbell games, definitely don't worry about playing them yet.
If you care about maximizing the experience - then yes, the best and only way to experience it is as per how the developer has released the game, in the order of release from FC->SC->3rd->Zero->Ao->CS1/2/3/4.
But it's worth noting that the core of the story doesn't revolve around that. To some people, the perspective of finding out that character X that was in the first game had an arc that that person is revealed to be Y, and by the 5th game in the franchise, if you ever had any degree of franchise osmosis or even checked in the news or media coverage, the fact that the character is "Y" is no longer a spoiler at all. And that revelation or extra story tidbit is by no means a deal-breaker.
Like PK said, the callback ultimately works both ways. It's perfectly enjoyable without having played the older games.
This series practically live and dies by the plot and dialogue.
The gameplay is serviceable, but it will never get in the way of the narrative due to how easy everything is.
I will never suggest anyone to play Cold Steel first because:
1. You will miss out a lot of contexts. A lot of enjoyment in the series is you reconnecting things mentioned/discussed in previous entries. The world building is really great and you can tell a lot of care are put into it.
2. Trails typically follows general trend of popular anime. Cold Steel as newer entries, borrows heavily from the school setting, harem and a lot of common modern anime trope. Judging by general sentiment in this forum, "anime" is bad, hence why a lot of people hate Xenoblade Chronicles 2. I assume people who like this series don't mind "anime".
3. Trails is a slow series. It takes long to build up stuffs. Cold Steel is by far the slowest arc yet. For comparison, Trails in the Sky FC took me 35-40 hours to clear without turbo. Trails of Cold Steel took me 65 hours with turbo mode. To top it off, Sky FC is halfway point of the arc. Cold Steel is not even a quarter of the arc and Cold Steel 1+2 is well known to have excessive number of padding.
4. It's just my opinion, but Cold Steel 1+2 are 2 weakest entries in the series by far. If I started with this, I probably wouldn't give a shit about Sky or Crossbell. I don't mind padding, but when the padding is so obvious where it's going, you just can't help but roll your eyes. The MC is also very boring and the side characters don't really help much. There are only 1 or 2 I care about.
Playing the Sky trilogy first is absolutely the best option. That is not really up for debate. It isn't necessary though and I think that's where a lot of the hangup is.
Sky benefits from being played first, because knowledge of characters and events in Cold Steel will spoil some things or alter perception of some reveals/events. Certain big revelations in Sky are treated much more casually in Cold Steel, so they lack the same impact if you see them there first.
On the other hand, having some context from the Sky games makes certain aspects of CS more interesting.
Sky doesn't really gain anything from being played after CS, and CS doesn't really gain anything from being played first. But you could still play them in that order since CS manages to not entirely spoil Sky unless you dig deep for it, and it doesn't require knowledge from Sky to understand the main story.
(Just CS1 and 2 FWIW, 3 and 4 seem to require every prior game)
Cool that these are releasing for those that haven't played them yet. I'll think about possibly double-dipping (have both games on my Vita) for sure. It mostly depends on funds and other games coming out around that time.
Ugh I remember playing the Japanese demos of CS1 and 2 and I absolutely loved the gameplay; one of the examples of turn-based done right.
The thing is, though, I played FC and it honestly made me fall asleep numerous times and I never finished it. So I'm not sure if CS would be worth it.
Which is odd because I managed to complete the Gagharv trilogy :p
The thing is, though, I played FC and it honestly made me fall asleep numerous times and I never finished it. So I'm not sure if CS would be worth it.
Which is odd because I managed to complete the Gagharv trilogy :p
I'm sure it'll be perfectly possibile to play CS3 and 4 before playing Trails to Zero and Azure. Some stuff connecting to those two might be a bit confusing but the characters of CS haven't lived through its events either (meaning I'm sure there's some exposition to bring them up to speed when something tying into past events comes up) and these games are so wordy that I'm sure people who have not played those two can figure out a lot of the essential bits and pieces of what has happened in Zero and Azure from the dialogue and lore presented in CS3 and 4.