“Treating us like second class citizens”

The reality, OP, is that most of the hyperbole you speak of doesn't have a similar, less applicable replacement. Of course, we could go with LESS hyperbole, but it doesn't magnify the severity of neglect.

Also, exaggerating the state or grievances of others in your medium to denote similar circumstances has been a thing long before the oppressed have spoken up. Most of the time, it is comedic, but I can see why it gets on people's nerves to see such ignorant terminology. It is the hope that video game players will be treated equal from publishers and manufacturers alike.

(That's a lot of big words for Monday Morning. I get ya, OP.)

Peltz said:

I think people just need to check themselves before posting. Most of the "outrage" around here is extremely juvenile.

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I mean, I'm sure there's a decent amount of teenagers on here.

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im getting flashbacks to a thread about a guy who took off his shoes during work

and how that would only end up hurting my feet a whole lot

it's all cement down there

ckareset said:

So just because there are worst things in life we arent allowed to complain?

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I agree. In almost every situation there are people who have it worse. Doesn't mean you can't complain. Especially on a gaming forum.

Benzychenz said:

I mean, I'm sure there's a decent amount of teenagers on here.

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I'm sure there are plenty who haven't mentally moved past being a teenager too

Bobo Dakes said:

"holding content hostage"

What is with these hyperbolic, dark ass metaphors some of you guys choose to use when a dev or publisher does something you don't like or someone else seems to have it better?

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OP I love you...and for those trying to change the subject, he is specifically speaking to hyperbole, and using strong socio-political statements for things like your dissatisfaction of content being locked behind DLC.

And all I'll say is this...I hope some of you have 1% of the passion that you have for when a JRPG doesn't come with the original Japanese voiceovers or when a game is more expensive than you think it should be, for real life issues or for how you treat people around you. I feel like there are people here that grandstand on gaming issues as if it makes you a better person, especially when what you believe defies all reasoning. Look at how people that spend money on FIFA/Madden UT are talked about in another thread on this page.

If you have deep hatred or disdain for someone over a videogame, how can you act like you couldn't hate someone for other non-gaming reasons?

Bobo Dakes said:

It is very frustrating to see gamers co-op the language of marginalized groups...

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r/boneappletea

Also, hyperbole is the name of the game, my dude

I do enjoy watching people on era talk about WELL IM NOT GONNA BUY IT THEN when dlc is announced before launch while still being seemingly aware of rising dev costs and inflation


And they're always so proud of their protest

I'm tired of geek entitlement and victim mentality.

Look at Gamergate and Comicsgate. Some people care more about their fandoms than they do about reality.

Capitalism bad

But also unchecked gamer entitlement bad

Both can be true!

data west said:

I do enjoy watching people on era talk about WELL IM NOT GONNA BUY IT THEN when dlc is announced before launch while still being seemingly aware of rising dev costs and inflation


And they're always so proud of their protest

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People that say stuff like that either were not very interested in the product to begin with or are going to buy it anyways but want to feel awesome showing their support of standing up to the evils and say things to show they are fitting in too

Angry white straight dudes love to co-opt the language of marginalised groups and play the victim because they think that's the only way to get people to pay more attention to them.

As if they're not already the most catered to demographic in the history of the world.

Gamers rise up

Big_Erk said:

"Oh, ho, ho, irony! Oh, no, no, we don't get that here. See, uh, people ski topless here while smoking dope, so irony's not really a, a high priority. We haven't had any irony here since about, uh, '83, when I was the only practitioner of it. And I stopped because I was tired of being stared at."

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Is... is that a Roxanne quote?

Edit: caught up. Bravo, sir. Bravo. Although, I think the fact I recognized it is a pretty big achievement itself.

Adamska said:

Well, just look at the terms such as 'gambling', 'exploitative', 'predatory' and many others that have completely lost their meaning when people apply them to any sort of MTX that they dislike.

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People calling micro transactions "predatory practices" is what put it over the top for me.

Fat4all said:

who's we

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What is the other section that isn't EtcetEra? The one you're in right now, that doesn't feature a whole lot of crossover posters normally?

sharpforprez said:

What is the other section that isn't EtcetEra? The one you're in right now, that doesn't feature a whole lot of crossover posters normally?

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but people post in both sections

ooh, quick edit

Ultimately, fans do not have rights. There's no video game/comic book/movie constitution. You are subject to whatever a conglomerate decides will make them the most money. That's the nature of capitalism.

Unfortunately, I feel like a lot of millennials don't realize this. They care more about their imaginary "rights" as a geek than their actual rights and freedoms.

WARNING: All metaphors must contain the appropriate amount of urgeny, alarm, or concern for the context in which it is used for the purposes of avoiding confusion, distress, or agitation to persons who possess the correct thinking regarding the priorities and goals of our society.

-The Ministry of Language

Also another problem...any criticism of people's behavior sometimes leads to what you are seeing here...

"SO YOU ARE SAYING I SHOULDN'T CRITICIZE BAD CORPORATE PRACTICES???!???!? SO EVERYONE SHOULD BEND OVER FOR THE MAN SO YOUR FEELINGS WON'T GET HURT"

"SO GAMERS SHOULD SAY NOTHING AND LET GREEDY PUBLISHERS HAVE THEIR WAY WITH US???!??"

When people don't have anything to back up how they feel besides agree with everyone else, they use hyperbole and insults to try to "win". Maybe show some empathy to what the OP is saying, and have some nuance to what you say here when you feel strongly about something? Not everything is the worst thing ever.

Bobo Dakes said:

It is very frustrating to see gamers co-op the language of marginalized groups

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"Holding content hostage" is taking away language from other groups? Sure, if those marginalized groups are all hostages...

One more thought. You are within your rights to complain about corporations. But they are also within their rights to determine that your protests won't lose them any money, and ignore you.

They use those phrases because a lot of people here take games way too seriously. Like this guy:

Kumikomical said:

They targeted gamers.

Gamers.

We're a group of people who will sit for hours, days, even weeks on end performing some of the hardest, most mentally demanding tasks. Over, and over, and over all for nothing more than a little digital token saying we did.

We'll punish our selfs doing things others would consider torture, because we think it's fun.

We'll spend most if not all of our free time min maxing the stats of a fictional character all to draw out a single extra point of damage per second.

Many of us have made careers out of doing just these things: slogging through the grind, all day, the same quests over and over, hundreds of times to the point where we know evety little detail such that some have attained such gamer nirvana that they can literally play these games blindfolded.

Do these people have any idea how many controllers have been smashed, systems over heated, disks and carts destroyed 8n frustration? All to latter be referred to as bragging rights?

These people honestly think this is a battle they can win? They take our media? We're already building a new one without them. They take our devs? Gamers aren't shy about throwing their money else where, or even making the games our selves. They think calling us racist, mysoginistic, rape apologists is going to change us? We've been called worse things by prepubescent 10 year olds with a shitty head set. They picked a fight against a group that's already grown desensitized to their strategies and methods. Who enjoy the battle of attrition they've threatened us with. Who take it as a challange when they tell us we no longer matter. Our obsession with proving we can after being told we can't is so deeply ingrained from years of dealing with big brothers/sisters and friends laughing at how pathetic we used to be that proving you people wrong has become a very real need; a honed reflex.

Gamers are competative, hard core, by nature. We love a challange. The worst thing you did in all of this was to challange us. You're not special, you're not original, you're not the first; this is just another boss fight.

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This is amazing.

Akita One said:

Also another problem...any criticism of people's behavior sometimes leads to what you are seeing here...

"SO YOU ARE SAYING I SHOULDN'T CRITICIZE BAD CORPORATE PRACTICES???!???!? SO EVERYONE SHOULD BEND OVER FOR THE MAN SO YOUR FEELINGS WON'T GET HURT"

"SO GAMERS SHOULD SAY NOTHING AND LET GREEDY PUBLISHERS HAVE THEIR WAY WITH US???!??"

When people don't have anything to back up how they feel besides agree with everyone else, they use hyperbole and insults to try to "win". Maybe show some empathy to what the OP is saying, and have some nuance to what you say here when you feel strongly about something? Not everything is the worst thing ever.

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The post right above you being a prime example. I have a friend who regularly exaggerates like that because he said he proves his point. But if it really proved anything then exaggerations wouldn't be necessary. Their original stance is pretty weak so might as well amp up the hyperbole even more.

Benzychenz said:

I mean, I'm sure there's a decent amount of teenagers on here.

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I understand. It's the demographics we are dealing with.

But that doesn't mean they people can't be better or just more chill about stuff.

A simple "that sucks" or "please change this" or "I am no longer interested in this" or "it should instead be more like this" is enough to say when it comes to business practices regarding DLC or system exclusivity, or anything else regarding business tactics you don't like. Like, all of the video game companies out there are trying to get you to spend money. This should no longer surprise you or cause genuine outrage. Hiding a costume behind an amiibo is not "predatory" for example. If you think it is, then you don't know what "predatory pricing" actually is (hint, it has to do with prices that are too low not too high).

On the other hand, when it comes to hiring practices, minority under-representation in the industry, or anything else of that nature, that is when it's more appropriate to use the term "marginalized" or "second class citizens" when discussing industry behavior.

And for those that say that the meaning of words changes over time, yes that is true. But that doesn't mean that people don't also use words incorrectly. And it also does not mean that they don't look stupid for doing so.

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The post right above you being a prime example. I have a friend who regularly exaggerates like that because he said he proves his point. But if it really proved anything then exaggerations wouldn't be necessary. Their original stance is pretty weak so might as well amp up the hyperbole even more.

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Correct. These are strawman arguments. They don't address the actual topic at hand.

Gravy Boat said:

I think you were agreeing with OP but your post also proves his point a little. People not liking VR isn't "disgusting".

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I was referring to the vitriol, not the people. But yes it was a little tongue-in-cheek as well.

Bobo Dakes said:

Don't be that guy when what I'm pointing out does clear damage to other groups.

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OP, I honestly don't know if it does damage to other groups as much as you say. But I do agree with your criticisms, overall. And I do think that it just makes people who use that language look like imbeciles who deserve to be criticized. So I'm 100% on your side here.

Daily reminder: ResetEra is made up entirely of gamers.

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adjsagljaglsgjgjdkslagksjk

make it wasn't there
make it didn't happpen

"I play video games to escape from real world problems"

Bobo Dakes said:

Don't be that guy when what I'm pointing out does clear damage to other groups.

If I called something EA did a "gamer holocaust", you would not respond with something like this.

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Quote the post that said this.

I've been a Nintendo fan and heavily following the industry for 15 years, and I've seen this language thrown around a few times, many times by me, considering that we typically get half-assed ports of other games, if we even get them to begin with. You're right, it's not funny, it's not cool, and it's not accurate.

Dragonyeuw said:

I would say that's life in general. *Generally*, people are concerned first and foremost with what directly impacts them. We're very myopic creatures by nature.

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That's what I meant. Game forum, plus people looking mostly at their own problems, equals people being hyperbolic about game issues.

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Don't be that guy when what I'm pointing out does clear damage to other groups.

If I called something EA did a "gamer holocaust", you would not respond with something like this.

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I would not be surprised with a thread titled as such, unfortunately.

Jessie said:

Ultimately, fans do not have rights. There's no video game/comic book/movie constitution. You are subject to whatever a conglomerate decides will make them the most money. That's the nature of capitalism.

Unfortunately, I feel like a lot of millennials don't realize this. They care more about their imaginary "rights" as a geek than their actual rights and freedoms.

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'Fans' don't have rights. But workers and customers do.

But what if they are REALLY "Treating us like second class Star citizens" : o

Just because you want to be robbed blind by publishers, doesn't mean everybody else wants to be. Shitty business practices are shitty business practices, and we, as consumers, are obligated to do so. Like when the IPhone XR, for some ridiculous reason, only has a 720p screen in 2018.

Bobo Dakes said:

That doesn't make it okay for people to call themselves second class citizens when a company does something shitty.

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Well, I wouldn't use that term either. But then again, i got a one day ban for calling certain companies shitty one too many times, so what do I know?

Lmao at OP whinging about people whinging about shitty things in the industry

If that is a first world problem then OP being upset about it is a first world problem to the power of 3

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Usually said by the ones doing the taking.

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I can't "take" something like language from you. I mean not in this context - there's other ways, like when I hear about people being scolded on public transportation for speaking their native languages and stuff. But I don't quite agree with your central argument that it's somehow disrespectful to marginalized citizens to use terminology typically associated with their struggles to discuss petty, menial gamer bullshit.

I've been through some difficult family/health related situations and described them as awful when discussing them. I've also called food at some places awful. Same word for vastly different experiences- not even remotely on the same scale of importance. Is this inconsistent? Only in the most pedantic sense. Language is complex and people are really good at setting descriptions in their proper context. No matter which words I use to describe a bad restaurant, nobody would ever *really* associate my wording as emotionally comparable to my description of a family fallout, even if I ended up using the same words.

I don't want to put words in your mouth, but if your insinuation by "those doing the taking" is that I belong to whatever arbitrary group you assume is dominant, don't even. I'm not. Not that who or what I am should make any difference to whether my argument holds water, though.

Spyder_Monkey said:

They should at least know what those words mean. There's a clear connotation to "second class citizen" that goes misused all the damn time.

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I agree it's useful to know what words and phrases mean, else you run the risk of using them in a way that doesn't make sense. But there's plenty of situations where you can grab a phrase or term with a very specific meaning or connotation, and employ it in a situation that is completely different and still succeed in conveying your ideas clearly.

Think of Stockholm Syndrome. A very clear concept that involves a traumatized reaction to one of the most stressful and dangerous situations you could find yourself in (being held hostage). You'll find the term used in wildly different contexts - having nothing to do with literal captors and hostages - in gaming forums but also in published articles and essays. And it's not a brazen insult to people who have actually gone through something terrible like this happening to them; it's just a two-word combo which packs a fairly complex idea quickly. Not *in spite* of it's completely different original intent, but *because of it*, it winds up being useful to quickly communicate what you mean. And people will understand what you meant immediately, which is the whole point.

I blame Libertarians

Kumikomical said:

They targeted gamers.

Gamers.

We're a group of people who will sit for hours, days, even weeks on end performing some of the hardest, most mentally demanding tasks. Over, and over, and over all for nothing more than a little digital token saying we did.

We'll punish our selfs doing things others would consider torture, because we think it's fun.

We'll spend most if not all of our free time min maxing the stats of a fictional character all to draw out a single extra point of damage per second.

Many of us have made careers out of doing just these things: slogging through the grind, all day, the same quests over and over, hundreds of times to the point where we know evety little detail such that some have attained such gamer nirvana that they can literally play these games blindfolded.

Do these people have any idea how many controllers have been smashed, systems over heated, disks and carts destroyed 8n frustration? All to latter be referred to as bragging rights?

These people honestly think this is a battle they can win? They take our media? We're already building a new one without them. They take our devs? Gamers aren't shy about throwing their money else where, or even making the games our selves. They think calling us racist, mysoginistic, rape apologists is going to change us? We've been called worse things by prepubescent 10 year olds with a shitty head set. They picked a fight against a group that's already grown desensitized to their strategies and methods. Who enjoy the battle of attrition they've threatened us with. Who take it as a challange when they tell us we no longer matter. Our obsession with proving we can after being told we can't is so deeply ingrained from years of dealing with big brothers/sisters and friends laughing at how pathetic we used to be that proving you people wrong has become a very real need; a honed reflex.

Gamers are competative, hard core, by nature. We love a challange. The worst thing you did in all of this was to challange us. You're not special, you're not original, you're not the first; this is just another boss fight.

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My eyes are bleeding

"I'm starving to death"
"Shut the fuck up, you are not dying. Think of those people who are actually starving in third world countries. You are BANNED from using that term!"

That is a fuck ton of generalizations OP.

Who are you guys?