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Dr. Caroll

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
8,111
The game has never left the first page of the global top sellers since release, don't know what you're talking about.
It's at page 3 for my region top sellers. Looking at the global page, it's at #22, which is considerably better, but not good for a week old game. I'm pretty sure Metal Gear Survive, for instance, had way better legs than this. And it did not do well.
 

Remark

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Oct 27, 2017
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It's a completely standalone title. It takes place at the same time as titles 1 and 3 in the series and before 2, not to mention 3 didn't ever get localized outside Japan. It also barely even references 1 outside a few cameo mentions. The excuse also doesn't work when no VC game has ever been on a nintendo console before either
Oh never really looked into VC4 so I didn't know tbh. Still feel like nobody really knew the game was on XB1.
 

Pryme

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Aug 23, 2018
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Apparently in the other thread FIFA 19 sold only 1% on Switch. Kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy since EA, as usual, didn't exactly put their all into the Switch version.

While EA not making the game the best would have affected sales, im pretty sure most people who own switch consoles have it as a secondary console...and with no cross play, the home consoles have a FAR bigger player base for FiFA multiplayer than Switch.

More or less what we expected no?

UK is pretty much PlaystationLand and Xbox is pretty much a non factor so 54% looks about right. But I honestly expected much less Switch sales. Great job!

How is the Xbox a 'non-factor' in the UK?!
 
Mar 4, 2018
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The game debuted at #9 on the UK charts in a relatively slow week. For its part, the PC version has sold 20-50,000 copies, and sales have now basically tanked as the game slips to page 3 of the Steam top sellers and beyond.

The game also sold worse than the PSP exclusive VC3 in Japan. Future of the series seems a little grim.

Well RIP this series . There is alot of good improvement in VC4
 

Phendrift

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Oct 25, 2017
32,303
Damn, pretty good Switch sales given the lack of mindshare there compared to everywhere else
 
Oct 27, 2017
767
Disappointed by Switch numbers. There was almost zero competition on that platform. I expected they dominate the sale for VC4. PS4 players must have empty pockets till now even more big games coming lol.
And ofc the Xbox % is more than I thought! I expected it around 2-3 %.
 

Adder

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Oct 28, 2017
384
Spain
Interesting to see Nintendo not being 3rd in 3rd party game sales for once.

Also, considering how fewer Switches there are compared to the PS4, that percentage is actually really high.
I agree, specially because UK and Europe in general -with the exception of France- is a weak market for Nintendo in comparison to US and Japan.
 

Terranigma

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Oct 27, 2017
858
Disappointed by Switch numbers. There was almost zero competition on that platform. I expected they dominate the sale for VC4. PS4 players must have empty pockets till now even more big games coming lol.
And ofc the Xbox % is more than I thought! I expected it around 2-3 %.


Zero competition my arse, it had Torna to contend with.
 

RyoonZ

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
645
Very nice to see Switch carry the sales of jrpg, the genre is having a hard time surviving without it.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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Hmmm kinda disappointed at this. Xbox has been doing it's best lately to get more Japanese games on its system but if this is the best it's gonna sale, that might not be happening much longer. I'm sure FF and RE will always be there, but smaller stuff like this probably won't be.

Ahh well. It is what it is.
 

Dr. Caroll

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
8,111
Well RIP this series . There is alot of good improvement in VC4
As someone did note, the PC version hasn't slipped quite as far as I thought. It's at #22 currently on Steam on the global chart. That isn't actually good, mind you, for a week old game, but it does represent a slow trickle of sales. Still, 20-50k on PC to date is very weak. VC is a relatively high profile series that has earned solid reviews and has a good PC port, and I was expecting something in the range of 100-200k, not somewhere between 20 and 50k. The player peak numbers are pretty soft, too.

https://steamdb.info/app/790820/graphs/

The issue as I see it is that the game is doing poorly everywhere. Japan on PS4 (not sure about Switch version, though which could be important), UK having a very weak launch -- anything below #5 can literally be in the low thousands -- globally on PC, etc.
 

Katana_Strikes

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Oct 29, 2017
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Those numbers are expected in all honesty. There was no way the Xbox version was going to sell well.
 

Kenzodielocke

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Oct 25, 2017
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What Japanese games were announced for Xbox recently? I feel like there were a lot over the past few weeks. I am curious if they are going to do as bad as here or better.
 

Rodjer

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Jan 28, 2018
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What Japanese games were announced for Xbox recently? I feel like there were a lot over the past few weeks. I am curious if they are going to do as bad as here or better.

Sekiro, DMC V, RE2 and KH3 are the next big japanese titles coming to Xbox, Tales of Vesperia too.

Edit. SoulCalibur 6 as well. DoA6 is coming too.
 

ASarafanov

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Oct 31, 2017
596
Japan
Disappointed by Switch numbers. There was almost zero competition on that platform. I expected they dominate the sale for VC4. PS4 players must have empty pockets till now even more big games coming lol.
And ofc the Xbox % is more than I thought! I expected it around 2-3 %.
We're talking about UK here. Do you understand how big is difference between PS4 and Switch userbases?

Zero competition? lol Torna just released.
 

Kenzodielocke

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Oct 25, 2017
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Sekiro, DMC V, RE2 and KH3 are the next big japanese titles coming to Xbox, Tales of Vesperia too.

Edit. SoulCalibur 6 as well. DoA6 is coming too.
I don't meant those titles. I meant titles more like VC4. All DMC games are on Xbox, all the Souls games are, RE games are also on xbox etc. Tales of Vesperia even was a 360 exclusive in the West :D
 

Apathy

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Oct 25, 2017
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that's a bit of a bold assumption, isn't it? Nothing sells more on Xbox if it's on PS4 too, if I'm not mistaked.
If this is based on the fact that it was at Microsoft's E3... Xbox had the marketing deal with Square Enix for FF XV, ads would put the Xbox version over the PS4 version yet FF XV PS4 outsold Xbox by a big margin

Hell they might not even have the marketing deal to help considering that the game was at the Sony area at tgs and it's where we saw the second trailer
 

guru-guru

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Oct 25, 2017
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As someone did note, the PC version hasn't slipped quite as far as I thought. It's at #22 currently on Steam on the global chart. That isn't actually good, mind you, for a week old game, but it does represent a slow trickle of sales. Still, 20-50k on PC to date is very weak. VC is a relatively high profile series that has earned solid reviews and has a good PC port, and I was expecting something in the range of 100-200k, not somewhere between 20 and 50k. The player peak numbers are pretty soft, too.

https://steamdb.info/app/790820/graphs/

The issue as I see it is that the game is doing poorly everywhere. Japan on PS4 (not sure about Switch version, though which could be important), UK having a very weak launch -- anything below #5 can literally be in the low thousands -- globally on PC, etc.
In terms of the Nintendo eshop, it's only #19 in NA, and #25 in Japan. With regards to the Japan eshop, the original Valkyria Chronicles is actually #7 right now (helps that it's around 2000 yen), which is kind of funny. All in all, the digital sales seem poor; I suspect physical will end up being similar, and I guess we'll see how the Japan numbers are with the upcoming Media Create thread.
 

Rodjer

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Jan 28, 2018
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I don't meant those titles. I meant titles more like VC4. All DMC games are on Xbox, all the Souls games are, RE games are also on xbox etc. Tales of Vesperia even was a 360 exclusive in the West :D

In 2019: Jump Force, Ace Combat 7, Code Vein, One Piece all from Namco Bandai.
 

Eolz

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Oct 25, 2017
7,601
FR
Honestly expected more on Switch due to the genre. I guess players didn't know well enough the franchise?
Still really good, will be interesting to follow when it's more than the launch week. Will be interesting to see how much was on PC too.

Still, it's also the UK (you know it has probably been #1 on Switch in France for example).
 
Oct 28, 2017
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I don't meant those titles. I meant titles more like VC4. All DMC games are on Xbox, all the Souls games are, RE games are also on xbox etc. Tales of Vesperia even was a 360 exclusive in the West :D

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Plus what rodjer said, all the upcoming bandai games are coming to Xbox too. It's actually getting nearly all the Japanese games Sony is getting, save for persona, yakuza, and a few other niche games.

Although after seeing sales numbers, they may not be getting them for long. Time will tell.
 

Durante

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Oct 24, 2017
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As someone did note, the PC version hasn't slipped quite as far as I thought. It's at #22 currently on Steam on the global chart. That isn't actually good, mind you, for a week old game, but it does represent a slow trickle of sales. Still, 20-50k on PC to date is very weak. VC is a relatively high profile series that has earned solid reviews and has a good PC port, and I was expecting something in the range of 100-200k, not somewhere between 20 and 50k.
It's not nearly as good as it should be, considering the quality of the game, but it should also be noted that the regional pricing is really high everywhere, which means that all of those really are full price sales.

If we assume 35k sold right now (in the middle of the given range) that's a revenue of >1.4 million USD after the Steam cut. Assuming that PS4 and Switch are twice as successful as PC globally, that would give them 2.8 million each, for 7 million in revenue so far across these platforms shortly after release. Adding XB1 (for what it is) and continuing / long-tail sales on all platforms (on PC I fully expect it to triple its revenue so far over its lifetime), as well as DLC, it should end up with ~20 million in revenue over its lifetime.

That's hardly fantastic, but I do think it will more than cover production and marketing costs and produce some profit. It's not an AAA game after all.

Still, the game does deserve much better. It's amazing.
 
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Oct 25, 2017
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It's the usual chicken and egg situation. What came first, Xbox players not caring about your franchise or you not bringing your games to Xbox which meant the Xbox userbase will not know your franchise throughout the years? Franchises that had a decent number of installments on Xbox One like Final Fantasy are outsold by PS4 versions but not by this much.
 

dose

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Oct 29, 2017
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Honestly not surprised with XBO. No other Valkyria Chronicles was on the console yet they just threw the 4th one on there.
So how does that explain the high Switch sales? The series has never been on a Nintendo console before. Your point doesn't really make sense tbh.
 

stryke

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Oct 28, 2017
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It's the usual chicken and egg situation. What came first, Xbox players not caring about your franchise or you not bringing your games to Xbox which meant the Xbox userbase will not know your franchise throughout the years? Franchises that had a decent number of installments on Xbox One like Final Fantasy are outsold by PS4 versions but not by this much.

hardly comparable when final fantasy has a significantly larger brand name

and a poor excuse when switch didn't have any of the previous titles either
 

silva1991

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Oct 26, 2017
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I'm surprised. I was expecting the switch version to take the lead considering the lack of big new releases. Still good split between the two versions.

As for the Xbox version it's not surprising. I guess that can give us an idea on how DQ11 would have performed there.
 

LinkStrikesBack

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Oct 27, 2017
16,364
Disappointed by Switch numbers. There was almost zero competition on that platform. I expected they dominate the sale for VC4. PS4 players must have empty pockets till now even more big games coming lol.
And ofc the Xbox % is more than I thought! I expected it around 2-3 %.


It's the switch tax. I wanted the switch version but it was at least £5 more everywhere for what would be a slightly inferior version, so I've just not bought it yet.

Edit: and even the digital version is £5 on switch than PS4 (£50 on switch and £45 on PS4), so sega can't even use the card price defense.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Hopefully the game has some reasonable legs that keep selling at a brisk place. The one thing to remember is that they have multiple platforms this time around to continue further than the first.

I'm really enjoying this and loving the improved mechanics, as well the character stories.

Amusingly I've got that feeling of a lot of skies 2 potential from some of the suspicious designs that was shown in this game. I would love for them to work on this potential title next as I feel this engine and other parts can make such a game possible on a modest budget for it.
 

Puroresu_kid

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Oct 28, 2017
9,465
finally, people can stop saying all videogames sell better on Switch just because of the Dead Cells report

and well, in regards to Xbox One, it is sad, but it's a given. Japanese games don't sell well on that console and if you're main Xbox, you should also know that full well. Xbox team has been doing their best, but let's be honest here, anime fans in general know by now Sony will never disappoint them in this regard, so everyone has jumped ship for the most part. I seriously doubt the support for Xbox One/Scarlet will be as strong in the next 3 years as it's been this year and 2019.

Who said all video games sell better on switch?
 

Bazry

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Oct 30, 2017
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VC4 is niche enough that if you put the work in for a Switch port, people will want to own that version. Fifa on the other hand is so big in the UK that the Switch version would struggle if it had all the features of the other versions, but has absolutely no chance when EA release a sub-par version and then try and charge full price for it
 

Łazy

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Nov 1, 2017
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I'd say it sold more on the Switch in France.
Japan is out as it's a late release and no idea in the US and other countries.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I feel confident this game will sell fine to the extent it will make buck its cost and some what profit at the end of things. Digital purchasing, multi platforms, and then the occasional seasonal sale promotion are all in its favour.
 

Virtua Sanus

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Nov 24, 2017
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Plus what rodjer said, all the upcoming bandai games are coming to Xbox too. It's actually getting nearly all the Japanese games Sony is getting, save for persona, yakuza, and a few other niche games.

Although after seeing sales numbers, they may not be getting them for long. Time will tell.
I highly doubt Namco and SEGA will drop Xbox One support when it comes to porting games. Valkyria Revolution of all games probably selling in the hundreds should've scared them off but clearly they find it a worthy enough platform to keep targeting. I for one am super happy everyone can enjoy a masterpiece like Valkyria Chronicles 4.

Atlus and the Yakuza stuff not being on more platforms is unfortunate, but I do think that will change before much longer. Well, maybe not Atlus...

I feel confident this game will sell fine to the extent it will make buck its cost and some what profit at the end of things. Digital purchasing, multi platforms, and then the occasional seasonal sale promotion are all in its favour.
Fully agreed. I am certain SEGA's happy with it overall. It seems to be a sensibly made game on a light budget and I can see it being ported to many future platforms.
 

MatrixMan.exe

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Oct 25, 2017
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This is good to see. I think there's slight merit in the "PS4 had more competition" argument however, more so this is because the audience for Japanese games on Switch and PS4 likely overlaps significantly. For a lot of people it will come down to whether they want to play it on console or have the portable functionality, rather than two separate audience buying the game on two separate consoles.
 

Strings

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Oct 27, 2017
31,426
Honestly not surprised with XBO. No other Valkyria Chronicles was on the console yet they just threw the 4th one on there. Also barely any promo for the game leads to what you see here. It sucks though, but it is what it is :'(

Hope SEGA doesn't take it as a reason to stop releasing their more japanese-centric games on there but I'm not that confident.
They had esteemed and very well made game Valkyria Revolution! That's probably why it performed extra poorly >.<
 

Mory Dunz

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Oct 25, 2017
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finally, people can stop saying all videogames sell better on Switch just because of the Dead Cells report

and well, in regards to Xbox One, it is sad, but it's a given. Japanese games don't sell well on that console and if you're main Xbox, you should also know that full well. Xbox team has been doing their best, but let's be honest here, anime fans in general know by now Sony will never disappoint them in this regard, so everyone has jumped ship for the most part. I seriously doubt the support for Xbox One/Scarlet will be as strong in the next 3 years as it's been this year and 2019.

subtle as a trainwreck
 

ShinySunny

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Dec 15, 2017
1,730
And people keep asking why so many Japanese devs skip XB.

Honestly, I am more surprised that it actually charted with Spiderman, and most JRPG fans already buying DQ on the PS4.
It is a brutal month.
 

Segaswirl

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Feb 5, 2018
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Glasgow, Scotland.
I am the 7%! Sales for the game seem pretty sad. I don't think Revolution helped, which I also bought for the X1.

The game should have probably been a digital only release on Xbox like Nier was. Don't publishers have to agree to print a certain number of copies to even be allowed to release a physical Xbox version?