Yeah, this will be remembered for quite a while. Excellent response
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Halifax cartoonist’s response to Kavanaugh hearing goes viral (Warning: upsetting imagery)
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Yeah, this will be remembered for quite a while. Excellent response
My mother is a sexual assault victim you asshole. And she's the one who showed this to me today. She doesn't have a problem with it. Stop trying to speak for all victims and stop pretending one persons opinion on it makes all others invalid.
Seriously, all this energy an anger about a political cartoon that brings attention to the horrible shit. But where's that same energy when we are actually discussing nominated Supreme Court justices that are accused of sexual assault? These clowns are more upset by a political cartoon than the horrible shit thats ACTUALLY HAPPENING in real life. Amazing.
I've seen it a few times but I never really understood what the power was
This thread contains a breadth of replies from posters from a breadth of different backgrounds and experiences. People are reacting to some really upsetting material in their own way. No one should tell you how to respond to it, and you shouldn't be telling other people how to respond to it either, as it turns out, particularly so in this case.
It's a raw image and emotions are running high in here, justifiably so. This whole case is just enormously upsetting.
who cares what she thinks, other's feel the message in the art.
The "power" would be that it could prompt action. Go beyond the ephemeral and become concrete and lasting. Perhaps activism.
hey it's the truth, a voice in a room of voices. It's hers against a bunch of other woman's voices.
I thought it was very cutting and well done. Minimal labels, short, provocative, and well drawn. Definitely one of the better political cartoons I've seen in quite some time.
As for this other side conversation: I get that some people will be triggered but you cannot simultaneously ask people to respect your feelings and then tell them how they should feel.
As for this other side conversation: I get that some people will be triggered but you cannot simultaneously ask people to respect your feelings and then tell them how they should feel.
A lot of people in this thread downplaying and tone-policing how survivors of sexual assault are responding to this use of loaded imagery for cheap shock value.
If I wanted to be reminded of the night I was raped, I wouldn't want it to be from some political cartoonist that cares more about getting viral than the wellbeing of survivors.
If I wanted to be reminded of the night I was raped, I wouldn't want it to be from some political cartoonist that cares more about getting viral than the wellbeing of survivors.
I can understand how some people find this to be too provocative, but I wonder if it would compare to having an attempted rapist on the Supreme Court for the next 35 years. I say 'I wonder' not to sound sarcastic but because I am not a sexual assault survivor and never understand what it's like.
With that said, I have found Jim Carey's art similarly provocative. Link: https://twitter.com/JimCarrey (Warning - Graphic Images)
With that said, I have found Jim Carey's art similarly provocative. Link: https://twitter.com/JimCarrey (Warning - Graphic Images)
Shits disturbing
Hearing it, reading it, seeing it like this, all of it. Just fucking sad and depressing.
Hearing it, reading it, seeing it like this, all of it. Just fucking sad and depressing.
As a man to another man: should you be telling a woman how to feel about the subject of sexual assault against a woman? Or denigrating their opinion?
I don't get some of the posts in here. Literally the topic of the day is if this Republican Supreme Court nominee gang raped someone at College.
This is a really succinct political cartoon about that. It's dipicting something repugnant and of course some will find it upsetting based on their experience, but that just shows how fucked up it is that this is happening.
I get the idea of a male author using something like rape to cause and emotional response being manipulative. And, if this cartoon was drawn in response to anything else gross the Republicans have done recently I would agree, but this is literally about a credible claim that a person nominated to be one of the most influential people in the US is a rapist and the people in charge don't give a shit.
How is a political cartooninst supposed to tiptoe around it? Anybody has the right to be upset / offended by what's depicted, and I totally understand that, but in know way does that lead me to think the cartoon is bad / harmful / shouldn't be shared / etc. I think it's well done and actually subtle compared to a few others that are pretty heavy handed. Graffic / trigger warning for the cartoon? Sure. But to act like it shouldn't exist is crazy to me.
This is a really succinct political cartoon about that. It's dipicting something repugnant and of course some will find it upsetting based on their experience, but that just shows how fucked up it is that this is happening.
I get the idea of a male author using something like rape to cause and emotional response being manipulative. And, if this cartoon was drawn in response to anything else gross the Republicans have done recently I would agree, but this is literally about a credible claim that a person nominated to be one of the most influential people in the US is a rapist and the people in charge don't give a shit.
How is a political cartooninst supposed to tiptoe around it? Anybody has the right to be upset / offended by what's depicted, and I totally understand that, but in know way does that lead me to think the cartoon is bad / harmful / shouldn't be shared / etc. I think it's well done and actually subtle compared to a few others that are pretty heavy handed. Graffic / trigger warning for the cartoon? Sure. But to act like it shouldn't exist is crazy to me.
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As matter of opinion. It really is a matter of perspective and i believe her opinion to be wrong. There's nothing inherently bad about the picture. It's purpose is to depict the situation at hand, after that hearing.
To some it seems to heavy handed, but there's been worse out there. That i've seen.
Neither you nor I are capable of knowing the viewpoint of a female (potential) sexual assault victim, even if we were assaulted ourselves. Saying "who cares" is to throw their opinion away.
You can agree with the cartoon's intended point without doing that.
Disgust and anger are what I experienced viewing the cartoon. As terrible as the imagery is it does serve to open people's eyes to what's going on. It might be enough for those, who otherwise would not bother, to pay attention. And maybe want to do something about it.
I totally get where you're coming from though and think people need to choose their words more thoughtfully when commenting on this stuff.
I'm sorry but the fact that Lindsey dismissed it out right and made it seem like it's worthless or unneeded an issue. So that's why it got a who cares. Not because she's a woman or a former victim. But because she said it was bad and the artist should feel bad.
She did that within the arena of being a woman herself, and there are plenty of other women to call her out if need be. And they probably will. As men, I think it is not our place to cast judgement on their likely strong opinions regarding this, though we can hold our own.
That's a good political cartoon. As straight to the point as they can possibly be.
The disclaimer in the thread title was a good move, though. Not everyone needs to or would want to see this.
The disclaimer in the thread title was a good move, though. Not everyone needs to or would want to see this.
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The cartoon is powerful and provocative. I find it hard to understand the liberal folks that are against showing exactly what Republicans are doing. It would be like telling Emmett Till's mother that she shouldn't have allowed people to see Emmett's mutilated body because it would trigger assault victims. These images are a direct reminder of the actions based on these people's hateful beliefs and a call to action for people to oppose them. If such images (aka real life) trigger you I don't know what to say, warnings were provided.
If only the world worked that way.
I can't imagine how that would play out today. God lord.
I should do it because your telling me to...a person i don't know.
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don't be a moron
This forum is incredibly male leaning and the discussion is probably more interesting if we let it occur between women, god forbid.
It's fine if our exchange ends here.
Oh wow, that's straight to the point. I can see how it could be too much for some people, though.
As someone who has been raped and went through a trial that was almost as traumatic to me as the assault itself I respectfully disagree with Mrs. Ellis here. I see her point in that depiction of secual assualt is not necessary to have a conversation about it but I think we are way past mere conversation in this case.
I think it's a very thought provoking and powerful image. It very succinctly illustrates the status of the Trump admin and current GOP. It may offend some people, but the message is important. It's defining our current US government and we need to change things.
It's effective and on point. It's good that people are discussing it and by extension, the stuff going on with the GOP.
If people really think this is too much, you'd think they'd be super angry about the reality of what's going on right now in America. Like, this is nothing compared to what's about to actually happen.
We are at a point where we have a Significant chunk of the Government stating Sexual Assault is not a big deal. That even if he did it that should not disqualify him because boys will be boys. It is a powerful image and I can understand that it can be a bit much for some people especially those who have been assaulted themselves. However its an important image that lays bear for all to see the gravity of the situation. Yes many on the Right will look and scoff at it. Many of those same people are lost causes as it is. However this image can still inspire people to action and remind those not too far gone just what is happening. Boys will be Boys is not an acceptable response. Blaming the Victim is not an acceptable response. What is happening now needs to be driven in front of everyone to see.
Out of curiosity how exactly would this work?
Don't get me wrong, in theory I'm totally down with this idea, let the affected group discuss among themselves and stay out of it so as to not offend anyone, but, what's happening in parallel? I mean, the picture's still getting shared, despite all the lip service to respecting her opinion we wouldn't actually be abiding it, just not engaging with it at all, is that actually better? Or is that even more belittling?
I think it's better to voice my own opinion but take the scorn or anger from the aggrieved party personally. I'm genuinely curious.
There are lots of people who had a very shit week dealing with the Kavanaugh news and now have an even worse week with the proliferation of this cartoon. And for some people who went through similarly traumatic experiences to those who hate it, they think it's manageable and they see the validity and necessity of sharing this image. It's complicated.
The cartoon can be powerful and on-point while still doing more harm than good. I don't know how we'd ascertain that, I don't think there's any way to, but how many people in this thread are now willing to act because of this cartoon if they wouldn't before? Maybe instead of praising it, people here can talk about what they'll do because of how this picture moved them instead of just talking about how it's hypothetically motivating. And I'm not talking about people who already are engaged, I mean people who needed to see this cartoon to act. I'm very skeptical of what good this cartoon will actually do but I might be wrong.
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We can discuss how we view its merit from a male perspective without belittling the opinions of women who disagree with its proliferation. We've already seen it, and so we can comment on it, without saying "I don't care about you" if they find it to be harmful.
Ideally? We would have the tact to inquire as opposed to overload the conversation with opinion by an largely (or relatively) unaffected group. That won't happen because we apparently can't help ourselves, and I am a "moron" if I think I shouldn't disparage women for their opinions on the depiction of rape.
All that said, voicing your own opinion without belittling those of women is the practical goal here. I think that's what it would look like. I try to check the gender of the user before I respond to them and I think that's a good idea in general.
Man, the only people I see posting this on social media are women
Doesn't change how Lindsey feels but she's not the only person in the world