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SuikerBrood

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Jan 21, 2018
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The windows store sucks, plan and simple. I actually bought the ultimate edition of Forza Horizon 4 but I can not download it. I just get an error everytime I try. Tried everything but reinstalling windows. The demo worked great though.

I guess shame on me since I had a similar issue with gears 4 and still used their shitty store.

What's the error you get? Have you tried downloading a smaller app (Like Netflix or Twitter)?
 
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Oct 25, 2017
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So I got my Standard Edition key now and am preloading FH4 but I had another small hiccup, after downloading 1.1gb someone invited me to a League of Legends match so I paused the download. When I resumed it the FH4 somehow went straight to "Installing" and errored out obviously. Trying to redownload it would download around 38mb and then it went to "Installing" again over and over. To fix this I had to invoke a Super Elevated Command Prompt running as TrustedInstalled, access the WindowsApps folder and rmdir /s the partially downloaded FH4 directory :/
 

SteveWinwood

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Oct 25, 2017
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Yes, the subject is Windows Store. If only you were consistent enough to similarly tackle those that bring up the entire unrelated GFWL.

And TBH, this is basically shitposting at this point. Any discussion about the state of the Windows Store cannot seem to happen here without some of you waffling on about 'Windows defense force'.
I'm not sure how gfwl is unrelated. It was their last attempt at some all inclusive environment that didn't work and they abandoned. Something something those who don't learn from history etc etc.
 
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I do agree that the store isn't perfect and it needs to be improved, but overall I've had almost no real issues with it.

I feel like calls to boycott it are extremely exaggerating the seriousness of the issues.

The Xbox and play anywhere integration has been awesome. I love the auto syncing saves between my X1X and PC.
 

BernardoOne

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I'm not sure why people still defend this shitty store when even MS employees in this very forum have detailed how bad it is themselves.
 
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This is why I will never but a game from the windows store. Even if every halo game is released on pc. Steam or bust.

I remember they gave away Phantom Dust for free, but I could never get it to install. Fuck MS and their sorry excuse for a store.
 

leng jai

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Nov 2, 2017
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I've never had an issue, so your disgust and frustration most certainly are an exaggeration.

Exactly. The Microsoft Store really is hilariously atrocious, there's just no defending it. The amount of data I've wasted trying to download Gears and Horizon 3 is obscene. I am dreading tomorrow when I need to try and install 63GB for Horizon 4.
 

samred

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OP, you are not alone.

From Ars Technica's Forza Horizon 4 review:

Sadly, the game's first pre-release patch rendered the game unplayable on our [Windows 10] rig. Worse, loading the game on any other testing rig resulted in the same crash, over and over—with no error message. This appears to be an issue with how Windows 10's Universal Windows Platform (UWP) handles accounts and credentials, and it has proven a constant annoyance over the past few years, even after wiping and reinstalling Windows 10. We may have a longer, whinier report on this issue in the near future.

I've come to realize that this testing rig (i.e. MINE) will no longer load any installed UWP games. Same exact crash as you: splash screen appears in a window, then it vanishes with zero crash notice or explanation. I have other Windows 10 machines with my credentials that I have definitely installed UWP games/apps on, but I've never tried to run any simultaneously (certainly not in the past few months). I've even gone into my Win10 control panel to "confirm" that I'm really me, verifying my acct via an email 2fa dealie, and still no dice.

........we are definitely looking into this. And it's not the first time I've gone through this song and dance, going through many of the same steps you listed in the FP. I'm slightly heartened to see you list the exact same issue and confusion, so that our report won't sound like isolated ranting. Plz send word if you have any breakthroughs, and I'll try to do the same.
 

diablogg

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Oct 31, 2017
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Dang man I was really considering picking up Horizon 4 on PC but it's stuff like this that makes me shy away from the Windows store.
 

Ra

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Exactly. The Microsoft Store really is hilariously atrocious, there's just no defending it. The amount of data I've wasted trying to download Gears and Horizon 3 is obscene. I am dreading tomorrow when I need to try and install 63GB for Horizon 4.
Gears 4 is when I quit. Data caps suck and explaining why it had to restart 4 or 5 times after downloading into the 90 percentages would not have been fun if the roommates had noticed.

Fuck data caps on home internet by the way.
 

s3ltz3r

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Nov 12, 2017
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Well, looks like I'll wait on buying FH4, until MS fixed issues like this one. No damn way way I'll buy on Xbox One X when I have solid PC. I haven't used my XBX in a month.
 

matimeo

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Oct 26, 2017
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OP, you are not alone.

From Ars Technica's Forza Horizon 4 review:



I've come to realize that this testing rig (i.e. MINE) will no longer load any installed UWP games. Same exact crash as you: splash screen appears in a window, then it vanishes with zero crash notice or explanation. I have other Windows 10 machines with my credentials that I have definitely installed UWP games/apps on, but I've never tried to run any simultaneously (certainly not in the past few months). I've even gone into my Win10 control panel to "confirm" that I'm really me, verifying my acct via an email 2fa dealie, and still no dice.

........we are definitely looking into this. And it's not the first time I've gone through this song and dance, going through many of the same steps you listed in the FP. I'm slightly heartened to see you list the exact same issue and confusion, so that our report won't sound like isolated ranting. Plz send word if you have any breakthroughs, and I'll try to do the same.

A few things I noted , when all of sudden FH4 crashed after the T10 studios movie intro all of a sudden after I played hours earlier with no issues.

I'm running the game thru Steam as a non Steam application. It was important to launch steam (which was launching the Forza app ) as admin. So this does play into the permissions thing some have mentioned. Ensure you run the app as administrator.

The other thing I did when the app began crashing was go into the app settings menu on windows and hit reset app. Forza then loaded up fine , recognized my gamertag and synced my previous game save. My settings in the app for the game were reset however as it asked me to benchmark again but my game save was fine.

The other thing I will note is I have a local Windows account and only allow MS apps to be affiliated with my store account which is my Xbox live account.
 

shotgunbob04

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Oct 25, 2017
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Dang man I was really considering picking up Horizon 4 on PC but it's stuff like this that makes me shy away from the Windows store.

Well, looks like I'll wait on buying FH4, until MS fixed issues like this one. No damn way way I'll buy on Xbox One X when I have solid PC. I haven't used my XBX in a month.

Isn't this game a Play Anywhere title, which means buying this game digitally gives you access to it on both Xbox One and PC with cross-save compatibility?
 

abracadaver

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Nov 30, 2017
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Bought Gears 4 on the shitty store. Couldn't install it for months. After formating I could finally install and play.
After a few weeks it suddenly stopped working altogether. Just the splash screen coming up and then nothing. No errors or anything.

W10 store? Never again!
 

Valkerion

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Oct 29, 2017
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Windows store is terrible and Microsoft's lack of initiative to improve or straight up just make it work like a modern application soured me from ever purchasing from it again. Hope the OP can figure it out, I've washed my hands of the thing after only two purchases.
 

Ge0force

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Yes, the subject is Windows Store. If only you were consistent enough to similarly tackle those that bring up the entire unrelated GFWL.

GFWL isn't entirely unrelated, since it was Microsofts previous effort to push Xbox Live on PC, also using an ecosystem made for console gamers with a huge amount of technical issues that they weren't able to resolve. The only that hasn't happened yet is Microsoft abandoning the whole thing, but with UWP in decline and 3rd party publishers cancelling support for the Windows Store, it's becoming more likely each day.


Isn't this game a Play Anywhere title, which means buying this game digitally gives you access to it on both Xbox One and PC with cross-save compatibility?

Yes. But most PC gamers don't have an Xbox, so they have no choice but using the Windows Store if they want to play Forza Horizon 4.
 
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SuikerBrood

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If you don't play by Microsoft's rules and intentions, Microsoft won't play with you at all. It's a stupid piece of software.
 

CommodoreKong

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So I got my Standard Edition key now and am preloading FH4 but I had another small hiccup, after downloading 1.1gb someone invited me to a League of Legends match so I paused the download. When I resumed it the FH4 somehow went straight to "Installing" and errored out obviously. Trying to redownload it would download around 38mb and then it went to "Installing" again over and over. To fix this I had to invoke a Super Elevated Command Prompt running as TrustedInstalled, access the WindowsApps folder and rmdir /s the partially downloaded FH4 directory :/

I've never had a problem pausing and restarting a download in Steam, or heard of anyone else having any problems with Steam downloads. I've never had problems downloading from another client or heard of anyone having problems downloading from another client. Download issues seem to be a common theme with the Windos store. Im not sure how the company with 130,000 employees who makes the OS can't get this right.
 

leng jai

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I've never had a problem pausing and restarting a download in Steam, or heard of anyone else having any problems with Steam downloads. I've never had problems downloading from another client or heard of anyone having problems downloading from another client. Download issues seem to be a common theme with the Windos store. Im not sure how the company with 130,000 employees who makes the OS can't get this right.

The MS Store literally can't even get a functioning download progress bar working properly. The progress bar and download speed readings are way off on mine every time, it's ludicrous.
 

flipswitch

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Oct 25, 2017
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The full game doesn't work with RTSS for sure. Even tho it worked with the demo.


I have RTSS running in the background, but I was getting the splash scree crashes in the demo sometimes. So you're telling me in the full version I won't be able to run the game?

I have RTSS running but I haven't 'added' the Forza Horizon game. Will this make a difference?
 

MaLDo

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Oct 27, 2017
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OP, you are not alone.

From Ars Technica's Forza Horizon 4 review:



I've come to realize that this testing rig (i.e. MINE) will no longer load any installed UWP games. Same exact crash as you: splash screen appears in a window, then it vanishes with zero crash notice or explanation. I have other Windows 10 machines with my credentials that I have definitely installed UWP games/apps on, but I've never tried to run any simultaneously (certainly not in the past few months). I've even gone into my Win10 control panel to "confirm" that I'm really me, verifying my acct via an email 2fa dealie, and still no dice.

........we are definitely looking into this. And it's not the first time I've gone through this song and dance, going through many of the same steps you listed in the FP. I'm slightly heartened to see you list the exact same issue and confusion, so that our report won't sound like isolated ranting. Plz send word if you have any breakthroughs, and I'll try to do the same.

Before reinstalling windows, try this:

create a new local user account.

This was the only way I can fix the same exact problem with Forza Horizon 3.

If everthing is ok, you can move your user folders to the new one.
 

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Wait people are reinstalling windows just to play one game because the store isn't working correctly?

Fuck that noise. Microsoft should be ashamed of themselves with the way they have handled this store from the get go. It wasn't ready or fit for purpose when they first announced play anywhere and it still isn't ready or fit for purpose today. All things considered it does make me wonder what their true intentions are as far as PC gaming goes. Do they really care?
 
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Yeah the store sucks, doesn't even allow account sharing. Seriously people one person has a problem after account sharing and we start to condemn the whole store for 4 pages?

Blizzard would've banned your ass for account sharing anyway.
 

Pargon

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I don't know if it helps anyone, but the demo for Forza Horizon 4 was crashing as soon as the intro movie started playing when I had set the game to use my Realtek TOSLINK output with Dolby Atmos for Headphones enabled.
I had to set the game to use the default sound device instead, which is my 7.1 X-Fi sound card.
I don't know if it was DAfH causing the crashes, using the mixer to switch devices, or if the game just doesn't like certain types of sound device. Quite a few people reported issues like that in the demo topic here.
 
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DrDeckard

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Wait people are reinstalling windows just to play one game because the store isn't working correctly?

Fuck that noise. Microsoft should be ashamed of themselves with the way they have handled this store from the get go. It wasn't ready of fit for purpose when they first announced play anywhere and it still isn't ready or fit for purpose today. All things considered it does make me wonder what their true intentions are as far as PC gaming goes. Do they really care?

Yup, completely legit complaints. MS have plenty of intelligent people that do magical things with software every day, they should be able to fix this store.
 

Atolm

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Oct 25, 2017
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OP, you are not alone.

From Ars Technica's Forza Horizon 4 review:

I've come to realize that this testing rig (i.e. MINE) will no longer load any installed UWP games. Same exact crash as you: splash screen appears in a window, then it vanishes with zero crash notice or explanation. I have other Windows 10 machines with my credentials that I have definitely installed UWP games/apps on, but I've never tried to run any simultaneously (certainly not in the past few months). I've even gone into my Win10 control panel to "confirm" that I'm really me, verifying my acct via an email 2fa dealie, and still no dice.

........we are definitely looking into this. And it's not the first time I've gone through this song and dance, going through many of the same steps you listed in the FP. I'm slightly heartened to see you list the exact same issue and confusion, so that our report won't sound like isolated ranting. Plz send word if you have any breakthroughs, and I'll try to do the same.

This was me with FH3. It's disheartening because there isn't even a crash report or message that could point you into what's wrong or what to do.

In my case redownloading the game fixed it...for a few days.
 

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Yeah the store sucks, doesn't even allow account sharing. Seriously people one person has a problem after account sharing and we start to condemn the whole store for 4 pages?

Blizzard would've banned your ass for account sharing anyway.

Hmm yes, because there are no other issues with the store.

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We shouldn't be too hard on them guys. They are new to this after all.
 

SuikerBrood

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Wait people are reinstalling windows just to play one game because the store isn't working correctly?

Fuck that noise. Microsoft should be ashamed of themselves with the way they have handled this store from the get go. It wasn't ready of fit for purpose when they first announced play anywhere and it still isn't ready or fit for purpose today. All things considered it does make me wonder what their true intentions are as far as PC gaming goes. Do they really care?

Don't think there is anything wrong with the Xbox teams intentions. The problem is with the priorities within the Windows team.
 

Pryme

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GFWL isn't entirely unrelated, since it was Microsofts previous effort to push Xbox Live on PC, also using an ecosystem made for console gamers with a huge amount of technical issues that they weren't able to resolve. The only that hasn't happened yet is Microsoft abandoning the whole thing, but with UWP in decline and 3rd party publishers cancelling support for the Windows Store, it's becoming more likely each day.

1. Source for 'UWP is in decline'?
2. Windows Store isn't just about games. And while MS hasn't done a good enough job in attracting 3rd party developers over to the store, much of that will probably be ameliorated with increased first party releases.

And all those people who jump into Xbox related topics here to say buying an Xbox is useless since they've already got a PC...they've got to buy their games from the Windows 10 Store, eh?

Wait people are reinstalling windows just to play one game because the store isn't working correctly?

Fuck that noise. Microsoft should be ashamed of themselves with the way they have handled this store from the get go. It wasn't ready or fit for purpose when they first announced play anywhere and it still isn't ready or fit for purpose today. All things considered it does make me wonder what their true intentions are as far as PC gaming goes. Do they really care?

Yeah, this bit has me scratching my head. I cant conceive of any reason to reinstall Windows completely just for a single game. I'd probably just give up on that game or the store at that point...until I was sure enough improvement was in place to make sure that shit didn't happen again.

Seriously, they need to throw more resources at the problem. It's embarrassing for this to still remain an issue years later.
Bad enough to have the controversy around UWP without throwing in reliability issues to the mix.
 

Ge0force

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1. Source for 'UWP is in decline'?

UWP never was successful in the first place. Almost no one but Microsoft develops UWP apps, and the few companies that did are now rewriting their apps to PWA. And now even Microsoft stopped the development for the UWP version of Office, focusing on the web and win32 versions instead.

For gaming, it seems 3rd party publishers are abandoning UWP as well. You won't find the latest Tomb Raider or Call of Duty in the Windows Store anymore for example, and no other game store supports UWP games.


2. Windows Store isn't just about games. And while MS hasn't done a good enough job in attracting 3rd party developers over to the store, much of that will probably be ameliorated with increased first party releases.

Agreed. But one of the major reasons why Microsoft brought 1st party games to Windows 10 is to push other devs into developing UWP games, and to push PC gamers into buying 3rd party games in their store as well. As long as this doesn't happen, Microsoft could as well release their games as win32 programs on Steam. The increase in sales would definitely compensate the 30% cut they'd have to pay to Valve. Except for Forza Horizon and Sea of Thieves, Microsofts games aren't doing very well in the Windows Store.
 

Ge0force

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In my region, Forza Horizon UE only has two reviews on the Windows Store, both complaining that they can't start the game:

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It seems more than one person is having issues...
 

Pargon

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Wait people are reinstalling windows just to play one game because the store isn't working correctly?
Some of the "privacy" tools that people run can break Microsoft services like the Store beyond repair, and it's the only way to get things working correctly again.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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In my region, Forza Horizon UE only has two reviews on the Windows Store, both complaining that they can't start the game:

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It seems more than one person is having issues...
Ton of people are having problems with Forza Horizon 4, you can discuss that here: https://www.resetera.com/threads/forza-horizon-4-pc-performance-thread.71324/

Has little to with the store. personally, I did have problems downloading Gears 4 at release and that did suck, but the game ran great. Had no problems with FH3 in the store but did have a lot of crashes and stutter. So yeah if you want to say that these ports are sometimes bad I will agree with that.
 
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OP, you are not alone.

From Ars Technica's Forza Horizon 4 review:



I've come to realize that this testing rig (i.e. MINE) will no longer load any installed UWP games. Same exact crash as you: splash screen appears in a window, then it vanishes with zero crash notice or explanation. I have other Windows 10 machines with my credentials that I have definitely installed UWP games/apps on, but I've never tried to run any simultaneously (certainly not in the past few months). I've even gone into my Win10 control panel to "confirm" that I'm really me, verifying my acct via an email 2fa dealie, and still no dice.

........we are definitely looking into this. And it's not the first time I've gone through this song and dance, going through many of the same steps you listed in the FP. I'm slightly heartened to see you list the exact same issue and confusion, so that our report won't sound like isolated ranting. Plz send word if you have any breakthroughs, and I'll try to do the same.

I'm very sorry to hear that! I will definitely share any updates I have on the situation and I appreciate you doing the same. Your situation sounds even worse than mine if not even a full reinstall could fix it.

I've never had a problem pausing and restarting a download in Steam, or heard of anyone else having any problems with Steam downloads. I've never had problems downloading from another client or heard of anyone having problems downloading from another client. Download issues seem to be a common theme with the Windos store. Im not sure how the company with 130,000 employees who makes the OS can't get this right.

Yeah even Nintendo in their very conservative online development culture never had any remotely similar big issues.

A little update on the situation:

Whenever I tried to launch FH4 I would again crash with DCOM 10010. I thought I could already play because a friend on XBOX already can without any region-messing but yeah. I found it strange that people on Era said they can't even hit the Play button on PC when I already could so that got me thinking and I had an "AHA!" moment. I logged back into my friends account (the one with the Ultimate Edition) on Microsoft.com and saw that my PC was still attached to his account which I promptly reverted. Now looking at the store I couldn't hit "Play" anymore and I got the message: "This product will be available 02.10.2018" So there is some progress, it seems my Windows still wanted to grab the license off my friends account. I'll give FH4 one more download and if that fails I'll do my last resort.

I do monthly image backups off my OS SSD, I will then reeimage my PC to the state of September 1st and then try again before I even started all this account-mess, if that doesn't work either I'll be at my wits end.

Update 2:

I changed my Windows region to NZ and restarted the store. All prices were shown in NZ $ and the "Available Soon" button was changed to "Install" So far this looks promising:

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Thank god I have today and tomorrow off because of medical appointments which means I'll just wait three hours again and play Dragalia Lost in the meantime :P
 
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Skyfireblaze

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I'll do a double-post so you see this samred :

I have an idea regarding your test-PC, when you say you can't run any UWP apps anymore, is this with one particular Microsoft Account? If you tried multiple accounts on it log into each of these accounts on the web-interface and remove the affected PC off them under My Devices. Pay attention though, when you remove a PC under My Devices it will ask. "Do you also want to revoke Windows Store permissions from this device?" which will lead you to an additional entry you have to remove aswell!
 

Ge0force

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Why is one review in French? Is it the benelux region? Lol.

People speak French in the southern part of Belgium. But unlike Steam, there's no option to filter reviews based on the languages you speak.

And for some reason, parts of the Microsoft Store are in Russian in my region:

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Has little to with the store.

I'm not sure. At least some of the issues seem to be related to the stores account management in Windows 10.
 

SuikerBrood

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People speak French in the southern part of Belgium. But unlike Steam, there's no option to filter reviews based on the languages you speak.

And for some reason, parts of the Microsoft Store are in Russian in my region:

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I'm not sure. At least some of the issues seem to be related to the stores account management in Windows 10.

Rofl.
 

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OP, you are not alone.

From Ars Technica's Forza Horizon 4 review:



I've come to realize that this testing rig (i.e. MINE) will no longer load any installed UWP games. Same exact crash as you: splash screen appears in a window, then it vanishes with zero crash notice or explanation. I have other Windows 10 machines with my credentials that I have definitely installed UWP games/apps on, but I've never tried to run any simultaneously (certainly not in the past few months). I've even gone into my Win10 control panel to "confirm" that I'm really me, verifying my acct via an email 2fa dealie, and still no dice.

........we are definitely looking into this. And it's not the first time I've gone through this song and dance, going through many of the same steps you listed in the FP. I'm slightly heartened to see you list the exact same issue and confusion, so that our report won't sound like isolated ranting. Plz send word if you have any breakthroughs, and I'll try to do the same.
While it sucks that multiple people are affected I'm glad to hear you guys are looking into this.

Looking forward to the report.
 

khamakazee

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While it sucks that multiple people are affected I'm glad to hear you guys are looking into this.

Looking forward to the report.

That's how things should be done, focus on the issue and try and get the attention to get a fix. When people start rambling on and on about other things like fear of locking third party games (which the other console makers do) then the thread becomes one big bitch session. At the end of the day people just want their games to work properly.
 

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I'm sure geoforce and Durante would be happy to know that UWP is very likely dead and Window's inexorable decline into obsolescence continues almost unabated(I say almost, because the business segment being on their refresh cycle this year drove actual growth in the Windows pc segment for the first time in 6 years).
I will be the third in line to cheer UWP's destruction, and laugh at the cinders of GFWL 2.0 (wiiiise fwom your gwaaaave) when this current initiative is fucking canned with another apology, saying MS is going to focus on PC's once again this upcoming quarter, for realsies this time....
 

bbq of doom

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So RTSS causes a crash? What do I do, disable it from the task bar? What a pain in the ass this is.