Well generic miblin as a character
Or a bokoblin in a bandana
(Jk i like bandana dee)
Falconford is like if the robot shadow from shadow multiplayer was in and not shadow
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Or a bokoblin in a bandana
(Jk i like bandana dee)
I don't think we're getting any more past stages. Pac-Maze can be redesigned, which it should be because Pac-Man without the maze is bad representation. The only stage besides Pac-Maze that can cause issues is Jungle Hijinx. Stage Morph could cause complications for a stage where you fight on two separate planes.
I think people both count and don't count the Link and Zelda copies.
Zelda shouldn't be represented by just endless variants of Link, Zelda, Shiek, and a semi-clone of Captain Falcon.
For Nintendo's third most important series (Mario and Pokémon are the top 2), it seems inadequate.
For Nintendo's third most important series (Mario and Pokémon are the top 2), it seems inadequate.
The problem is when it comes to looking at character counts, people only look at the number of unique characters.
Zelda has Link, Zelda, Sheik. Ganondorf is less of a clone but still heavily inspired by Falcon. And of course Y.Link and T.Link are clones.
So having only 3 100% unique movesets kinda sucks, even if it's well repped everywhere else.
When people say "Zelda is under-repped" it isn't really about the quantity of the representation, it's about the quality. Link, Toon Link, and Young Link are all close to the same thing both from a character standpoint and move standpoint. Zelda and Sheik are different enough... but then Ganondorf is (and has been) derivative of a completely different franchise's character (Captain Falcon) -- even if they've made that better over time.
At the end of the day there still aren't any of the supporting characters, just derivations of the main 3: Link, Zelda, and Ganon. And an argument could be made that at minimum we could get one of the alternate Ganons if we have to keep it as those 3, such as a dual wielding Toon Ganon or a Trident wielding Classic Pig Ganon. The extra Links are some really lame inflation.
At the end of the day there still aren't any of the supporting characters, just derivations of the main 3: Link, Zelda, and Ganon. And an argument could be made that at minimum we could get one of the alternate Ganons if we have to keep it as those 3, such as a dual wielding Toon Ganon or a Trident wielding Classic Pig Ganon. The extra Links are some really lame inflation.
Zelda's represented well outside of characters but it's a major bummer that half of its playable cast is slight variations of Link. Next time it'd be good if they were either fleshed out into unique characters or scrapped for a one-off character or two.
I don't think Zelda is underrepped, I just think some series are overrepped. That said, If you really think about it Fire Emblem also only has 4 unique movesets, the rest are just remixes of the same thing because there are more main faces people recognize in that series.
Imagine the KH stage being a Dive to the Heart.
With this playing:
KH stage potential is too good. Rising Falls would also be sick
Yeah, Legend of Zelda isn't really overrepped or underrepped, it's just weighed down by a history of poor choices. Ganondorf shouldn't be a Cpt. Falcon clone, we don't need three slightly different Links, Sheik is kind of an odd choice at this point, Skyloft is a bad stage, do we really need both Heart Containers and Bottled Fairies, etc. It would benefit a lot from the reboot approach, but Ultimate isn't going to be that kind of game.
I'd say Fire Emblem is in the same boat. It has the right amount of representation, but not the right kind. This is especially true for stages. FE could really use better ones.
I'd say Fire Emblem is in the same boat. It has the right amount of representation, but not the right kind. This is especially true for stages. FE could really use better ones.
Zelda Characters are more unique, therefore harder to make. Basic sword characters are easier to develop I assume.
if either young or toon had gotten overhauls to incorporate moves/items from their types of games there also wouldn't be as much whining. Probably young link in particular since he got brought back after effetively having a replacement
like i'd still want midna or skull kid but if Toon Link had a bunch of fun wind waker or minish cap items or w/e i'd be much more content. Since young link is (supposed to...) represent the generic "classical" links, him pulling out weapons from there would be fine. Maybe have some weird mask mechanic (no not that one). Something!
Zelda should have
Link
Zelda
Sheik/ impa, paya echo
Unique gannondorf
Mipha, ruto echo
Daruk, darunia echo
Urbosa
Revalli (sad medli is too small, introduce adult medli)
Then maybe impa
Zelda would have 6 to 9 characters, and not 12 or 13 if we added on with falcondorf and kid links
Also how funny will it be when Zelda has a spear character before fire emblem
Link
Zelda
Sheik/ impa, paya echo
Unique gannondorf
Mipha, ruto echo
Daruk, darunia echo
Urbosa
Revalli (sad medli is too small, introduce adult medli)
Then maybe impa
Zelda would have 6 to 9 characters, and not 12 or 13 if we added on with falcondorf and kid links
Also how funny will it be when Zelda has a spear character before fire emblem
On the topic of DLC...
Dragalia Lost was probably being planned for a while. While it was likely way too recent to make the base game, I think it's definitely going to have a DLC character. It's a big project for Nintendo in the mobile space, especially since they're collaborating with one of the biggest names in the mobile gaming space on it. I think Nintendo will definitely want to promote it using Smash.
Get ready for Daoko music and playable Cleo!
Dragalia Lost was probably being planned for a while. While it was likely way too recent to make the base game, I think it's definitely going to have a DLC character. It's a big project for Nintendo in the mobile space, especially since they're collaborating with one of the biggest names in the mobile gaming space on it. I think Nintendo will definitely want to promote it using Smash.
Get ready for Daoko music and playable Cleo!
Zelda is a well-represented franchise overall, but it is hard to ignore the massive issue of Ganondorf not resembling any iteration of the character from the actual Zelda games. He doesn't even have a magic orb you can bounce back at him! That's a pretty big deal in the franchise.
However, Sheik is also something of a problem, since her moveset is 95% Smash original. That was unavoidable when the only thing Sheik did in OoT was play the harp and ninja-vanish, and inventing a moveset from scratch was the only option.
It was okay when Sheik was an extension of Zelda, but it feels more glaring today. Sheik is now a stand-alone character who is increasingly dated, having only appeared in a single game 20 years ago. At this point in time, Breath of the Wild has shown off actual Sheikah fighting techniques, which are very different from how Sheik fights in Smash.
Therein lies part of the problem: there is no lack of material to inspire awesome movesets for characters from the Zelda franchise. Hyrule Warriors serves as excellent proof of concept for that. Meanwhile, of the four distinct Zelda movesets in Smash, two of them are wholly Smash original. Only Link and Zelda's movesets actually heavily draw from the source material.
However, Sheik is also something of a problem, since her moveset is 95% Smash original. That was unavoidable when the only thing Sheik did in OoT was play the harp and ninja-vanish, and inventing a moveset from scratch was the only option.
It was okay when Sheik was an extension of Zelda, but it feels more glaring today. Sheik is now a stand-alone character who is increasingly dated, having only appeared in a single game 20 years ago. At this point in time, Breath of the Wild has shown off actual Sheikah fighting techniques, which are very different from how Sheik fights in Smash.
Therein lies part of the problem: there is no lack of material to inspire awesome movesets for characters from the Zelda franchise. Hyrule Warriors serves as excellent proof of concept for that. Meanwhile, of the four distinct Zelda movesets in Smash, two of them are wholly Smash original. Only Link and Zelda's movesets actually heavily draw from the source material.
Link
Zelda
Ganondorf with a more unique and fitting moveset where he can float
Sheik
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Midna+Wolf Link or Midna by herself
Vaati
Tingle
Skull Kid
Impa
Pig Ganon
Don't care about Toon Link or Young Link as they are right now.
Those are all very recognizable characters. Great character pool to draw from.
Zelda
Ganondorf with a more unique and fitting moveset where he can float
Sheik
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Midna+Wolf Link or Midna by herself
Vaati
Tingle
Skull Kid
Impa
Pig Ganon
Don't care about Toon Link or Young Link as they are right now.
Those are all very recognizable characters. Great character pool to draw from.
Not a single goron or zora rep
Skull kid and twilli species didn't get champs
Hey wait a minute
Why doesn't Sheik use the harp
It is nowhere! It's not incorporated into the moveset. It's none of her taunts. And no where to be seen in her victory animations in any game.
There is exactly one instance of it in any of the games I can think of and that's the opening to Melee.
and that's it!
Classic Ganon would be the most interesting Zelda newcomer to me. I guess from a history of the franchise POV it should really be him, Tingle, or Impa.
Everyone else falls into a "would be nice" area like Midna, Skull Kid, or Urbosa. You don't need them in Smash to tell the uninitiated this is the core cast of the Zelda series.
Everyone else falls into a "would be nice" area like Midna, Skull Kid, or Urbosa. You don't need them in Smash to tell the uninitiated this is the core cast of the Zelda series.
Honestly I love Falcondorf. Way more than any kind of hypothetical wizard moveset.
Ganondorf is a big beefy motherfucker who overpowers you through his raw physical strength alone. Fighting against him feels like a boss battle in of itself, and I think that's better than some generic energy attacks.
Ganondorf is a big beefy motherfucker who overpowers you through his raw physical strength alone. Fighting against him feels like a boss battle in of itself, and I think that's better than some generic energy attacks.
This was the potential Smash stage location that stood out to me when I played through KH1 for the first time recently.KH stage potential is too good. Rising Falls would also be sick
If freeza was in smash would you be ok with him only punching
Ganondorf is freeza
He is an ability power carry
People only seem to do this for Zelda though. You constantly see these Zelda to Fire Emblem comparisons, yet more than half the fire emblem cast are Marth derivatives. No one goes around saying Mother or Animal Crossing only have 1 character and that Lucas and Isabelle don't count. Also, people overexaggerate Ganon's clone status. Yes, he's based on Falcon, but it's not Melee anymore. He's been differentiated so much over the years that the only thing about Ganon that still resembles Falcon are the specials. Just cause people don't like his implementation doesn't mean he doesn't count as a character.
Freeza is a shrimp though. His moveset in Dragon Ball Z Fighterz Z is appropriate.
What did Ganondorf do in OoT that was cool? He threw some fireballs and floated in midair.
At least Falcondorf feels imposing.
People that use the ganondorf strong argument
Like goku is strong
Should he only punch and not kamehameha?
Fire emblem has 4 unique characters
And in the case of roy, his moveset not being accurate is offset by no one really liking him in fe6, roy honestly shouldn't be in smash based on his low quality and importance.
Only bad game ganondorf is in is twilight princess which was way after melee
Like goku is strong
Should he only punch and not kamehameha?
Fire emblem has 4 unique characters
And in the case of roy, his moveset not being accurate is offset by no one really liking him in fe6, roy honestly shouldn't be in smash based on his low quality and importance.
Only bad game ganondorf is in is twilight princess which was way after melee
It's not faithful to his character, but I think Falcondorf is better and makes for a more interesting fighter, as well as a more interesting fight than a guy who shoots energy balls.
Eh, Vaati isn't really that recognizable. He'd honestly be a pretty awful pick for a new Zelda character. Midna + Wolf Link would be a pretty good pick, but I can't see Twili Midna making much sense as an original character. A ton of people bought Twilight Princess, but she just appears at the end of the game briefly and I'm sure plenty of people never even beat TP. Impa and Pig Gannon would be pretty great picks. Skull Kid is really iconic, but he's just a one off villain . . . but as a Zelda newcomer in the base roster he'd make sense because the roster was being picked right around the release of Majora's Mask 3D.
I think that goes to show how difficult it is to really narrow down good picks for the Zelda series. Impa would make sense to add, but Wolf Link would be another form of Link and Pig Ganon would be a different form of Ganondorf, highlighting that different forms of Link/Zelda/Ganon(dorf) are really the best options for Zelda characters.
We havnt gotten a t9on link game in a while
Should the hero of time adult be his own character based off oot 3d and being diffrent from Botw link
It's link as a kid in a diffrent artstyle and not even diffrent like paper mario
Which is why the zora and gorons the most important non human races in Zelda should get new comers
Vaati is placed near the top of your list (even though i'm sure it's not in any specific order) so I have to support this one by principle.
Ganondorf could at least use some float mechanic. I remember seeing some mod someone posted here that had Ganondorf floating. That's so cool.
Project M made his Neutral-B a reflector (using his cape) on the ground and a float in the air; with the punch being (functionally) moved to his Down Taunt, where he uses his sword to attack.
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Makes sense.
Does this means we're getting both Excitebiker AND Hanafuda?!
I'd vote for
Link
Zelda
Sheik
Impa (Sheik echo/clone)
Ganondorf
Young Link (clone)
Toon Link (with changes made to make him more unique)
Midna with Wolf (only playable character in a main LOZ that wasn't Link!)
Tetra (semi-clone)
Tingle
Pig Ganon/Vaati
These are your big and/or recurring characters from the series. Change up Toon Link with a few different attacks and you're set.
I agree, but I'd also like a more wizard ganon.
We should have both like in LegacyXP!
Oh hey, I almost forgot about that. I already have the image open and ready to edit as soon as the post goes up lol.
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