Kellyanne Conway reveals she is a victim of sexual assault; blames victims immediately after

Royalan · Sep 30, 2018

In as much as it's true that there are plenty of victims of sexual assault who blame themselves, her position is valid, even if I disagree. People blame themselves all the time, and that is unfortunate.

But pivoting this into a defense of Kavanaugh and Trump (and, by extension, every man with credible assault claims that Trumps's unequivocally defended) doesn't sit right with me. Because underneath this defense seems to be an admission, that regardless of the actions of the person who assaulted you, it is ultimately your responsibility as the victim. That Kavanaugh and Trump are only "guilty" in as much as it was the actions of their victims that brought them there. And fuck that.

Francesco · Sep 30, 2018

ZeoVGM said:
"Believe women" doesn't mean "believe women except for those who are bad people."

You can prove me wrong, but I actually think that's exactly what it should mean.
Bad people can lie about anything, no?
And I'm not talking about this case specifically. I'm sure she, as most women, was assaulted sometime in her life.

Deleted member 4494 · Sep 30, 2018

I believe her, and if she doesn't want to talk more about her experience that's her prerogative.

I don't think she should use her experience to color other peoples' experience. But that's all I'll say on the matter.

Sou Da · Sep 30, 2018

[mod edit: this tweet is missing context, please see this post https://www.resetera.com/posts/13284049/ ]

Johnwess · Sep 30, 2018

Nah I can point out both. You can keep the self righteous attitude to yourself. This women sole purpose is to go on tv and lie, spin the lie, and then used the lie to go on the attack.

Greg NYC3 · Sep 30, 2018

Phamit said:
I think she says "but go blame the perpetrator" and goes on that the people who are for assault responsible are the ones who commit them. Basically saying that they are shifting the blame to other men who didn't commit the assault.

OK, that makes a lot more sense but only if you're of the belief that both Kavanaugh and Trump are innocent, which I'm not.

Mr. X · Sep 30, 2018

ISOM said:
Could she by lying, yes. But I don't think it's appropriate to read the title and come into this thread saying she is telling a lie. You can be disgusted at the fact that what she's saying may be true and that's she using it to win political points.

I 100% agree. What she says about victims is something I expect from one of those old ass dudes. in Congress. Legit, anybody else I would say survivor's guilt or whatever the correct term is. I don't she is above lying about it.

MisterMrMister · Sep 30, 2018

Sou Da said:

Uhhhhhhh.... say what now?

viskod · Sep 30, 2018

I don't believe her. All things are not equal and I'm sorry but you can't tell obvious and disgusting lies every single day for a career and then suddenly garner trust and sincerity.

collige · Sep 30, 2018

I believe her, but that pivot into victim blaming means she either peak scumbag, has massive amounts of cognitive dissonance about it, or both (probably both).

Ponn · Sep 30, 2018

Sou Da said:

Playing up that incel/alt-right crowd.

Deleted member 13645 · Sep 30, 2018

One of the worst parts of this is that there are undoubtedly some people who are going to hear her say that and take it to heart. Allowing people to divest themselves of responsibility for the horrible acts they commit on other people is super wrong. They'll think that saying something like "I sexually assaulted her but it's not my fault she was dressed like that!" is an acceptable stance.

Sou Da said:

Holy shit it's like someone transplanted a red piller into a woman's body. How can her perspective be so warped?

AuthenticM · Sep 30, 2018

Sou Da said:

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LosDaddie · Sep 30, 2018

Carnby said:
She's right. The reaction to sexual assault can sometimes be defined by political affiliation. Calling her a lying proves her point.

Edit: I said "sometimes" because I'm not going to play "both sides" bullshit.

But you're absolutely correct. No need for the caveat.

MisterMrMister said:
Uhhhhhhh.... say what now?

Follow the thread Coulter is responding to

PepsimanVsJoe · Sep 30, 2018

Ponn said:
Playing up that incel/alt-right crowd.

What's really screwed up is Ann's tweet is a response to this one:

Luis A. Garcia said:
Our REAL problem is that many Mexicans have no choice but to go illegally to USA because they have no opportunities at home.

"What the fuck?" doesn't even begin to describe Coulter's thought-process.

ZeoVGM · Sep 30, 2018

Francesco said:
And I'm not talking about this case specifically. I'm sure she, as most women, was assaulted sometime in her life.

I mean, there you go.

That's exactly my point. We shouldn't be calling her a liar about the sexual assault claim given the actual statistics of women being assaulted.

It's fair game to call her garbage for her defending sexual assaulters, however. Two different things. She can both be garbage and be telling the truth about being assaulted -- which she likely is.

Zutroy · Sep 30, 2018

Her (and other Republican's) deflection about Bill Clinton is so silly. They're basically saying it's unreasonable that the Democrats have evolved on how they handle sexual assault allegations over the last 20 years. The way they handled Al Franken shows that it's not just all talk on their side.

Maz · Sep 30, 2018

Sou Da said:

what the actual fuck did i just read........................

Deleted member 9035 · Sep 30, 2018

Borgnine said:
Some of my best friends are sexual assaults.

I laughed too much at this.

HP_Wuvcraft · Sep 30, 2018

Vic_Viper said:
Is she seriously saying it's her fault she was assaulted?

Yes.

Deleted member 9035 · Sep 30, 2018

Maz said:
what the actual fuck did i just read........................

Sounds like she's responding sarcastically to a tweet about illegal immigration. See above.

Bung Hole · Sep 30, 2018

America, you have BIG problems. God be with you.

Deleted member 16657 · Sep 30, 2018

Sou Da said:

...this ain't it chief

Quality Garbage · Sep 30, 2018

I never thought I would be having to ponder what truth is for a professional lying liar who lies.

Mr. X · Sep 30, 2018

Zutroy said:
Her (and other Republican's) deflection about Bill Clinton is so silly. They're basically saying it's unreasonable that the Democrats have evolved on how they handle sexual assault allegations over the last 20 years. The way they handled Al Franken shows that it's not just all talk on their side.

GOP vs Bill Clinton

They haven't acted to give a fuck since

Squarehard · Sep 30, 2018

Royalan said:
In as much as it's true that there are plenty of victims of sexual assault who blame themselves, her position is valid, even if I disagree. People blame themselves all the time, and that is unfortunate.

But pivoting this into a defense of Kavanaugh and Trump (and, by extension, every man with credible assault claims that Trumps's unequivocally defended) doesn't sit right with me. Because underneath this defense seems to be an admission, that regardless of the actions of the person who assaulted you, it is ultimately your responsibility as the victim. That Kavanaugh and Trump are only "guilty" in as much as it was the actions of their victims that brought them there. And fuck that.

Well said.

Sou Da said:

Not well said.

chubigans · Sep 30, 2018

Vic_Viper said:
Is she seriously saying it's her fault she was assaulted?

A lot of sexual assault survivors do this. There's so many things survivors do to cope, whether it's a physical reaction of gaining a lot of weight after the assault, or blaming themselves, or a million other things.

I'm not defending what Conway has said or what she does. That's not the point here. The fact that so many of you call her out as a liar over this is incredibly stupid. We know zero facts about what happened to her, when, where, anything at all (nor do we need to know) and y'all are ready to dismiss her claims as lying propaganda. Maybe it is, maybe it's not, but when the entire point is to #believewomen you cannot pick and choose who best fits your idea of the ideal sexual assault victim. It could literally be anyone, and when they choose to talk about it, we need to listen.

Deleted member 19003 · Sep 30, 2018

The reaction to sexual assault is not defined by political affliction. Wasn't that the whole point behind Al Franken stepping down? And what about Weiner being charged? And 'liberal' Hollywood going after their own? There are plenty more that I'm sure I can't remember off the top of my head. The point is, it happens on both sides of the political aisle and is not just demonized on one side. Kellyanne is just trying to spin shit, as always. It's gross that she's resorted to using even her own personal stories to prop up the bad behavior of this admin. SMH. She's like an anti-suffragette from the 1910's who worked to deny other women the right to vote. Keep hurting yourself and future women, Kellyanne.

PlanetSmasher · Sep 30, 2018

As a fellow assault survivor, I can sympathize with her for what happened to her, but my sympathy begins and ends there. Using her platform and her voice to denigrate OTHER victims and paper over their experiences in the same breath makes her into pure garbage.

Bung Hole said:
America, you have BIG problems. God be with you.

The endless nightmare we're living in should make it fairly clear that there is no God. A loving creator would've intervened a long time ago.

Steeped in a Sea of Games · Sep 30, 2018

chubigans said:
A lot of sexual assault survivors do this. There's so many things survivors do to cope, whether it's a physical reaction of gaining a lot of weight after the assault, or blaming themselves, or a million other things.

I'm not defending what Conway has said or what she does. That's not the point here. The fact that so many of you call her out as a liar over this is incredibly stupid. We know zero facts about what happened to her, when, where, anything at all (nor do we need to know) and y'all are ready to dismiss her claims as lying propaganda. Maybe it is, maybe it's not, but when the entire point is to #believewomen you cannot pick and choose who best fits your idea of the ideal sexual assault victim. It could literally be anyone, and when they choose to talk about it, we need to listen.

Ever hear of the boy who called wolf? Literally 95% off the words that come out of her mouth is a lie designed to gain political points. It's no surprise that many aren't willing to give the benefit of a doubt to someone who literally seems incapable of telling the truth.

What you're saying is basically a purity test. Most women don't have real reasons to disbelieve them. Someone who is literally a professional liar should have everything they say and do be seen through that lens.

HP_Wuvcraft · Sep 30, 2018

Steeped in a Sea of Games said:
Ever hear of the boy who called wolf? Literally 95% off the words that come out of her mouth is a lie designed to gain political points. It's no surprise that many aren't willing to give the benefit of a doubt to someone who literally seems incapable of telling the truth.

What you're saying is basically a purity test. Most women don't have real reasons to disbelieve them. Someone who is literally a professional liar should have everything they say and do be seen through that lens.

That's not the point.

Why is "believe all women" not applicable in this case?

Is this a political stunt? Of course it fucking is. But she's also a woman living in America.

Holundrian · Sep 30, 2018

Sounds like a lie(especially when you consider past remarks in general as well), now I really hate assuming that given the stats tell me this isn't very likely but the other side of this would be accepting that even going through the hell these human dregs called republicans like to unleash on people personally isn't going to make them one bit more empathetic which is honestly just depressing.

roboleon · Sep 30, 2018

Johnwess · Sep 30, 2018

HP_Wuvcraft said:
That's not the point.

Why is "believe all women" not applicable in this case?

Is this a political stunt? Of course it fucking is. But she's also a woman living in America.

Because she alway lies when she goes on tv.

PepsimanVsJoe · Sep 30, 2018

I believe her, but blaming women for sexual assault is beyond the pale.

Sinder · Sep 30, 2018

HP_Wuvcraft said:
That's not the point.

Why is "believe all women" not applicable in this case?

Is this a political stunt? Of course it fucking is. But she's also a woman living in America.

Literally every word she's ever said on TV has been a lie up till now? Is that your contention?

Steeped in a Sea of Games · Sep 30, 2018

HP_Wuvcraft said:
That's not the point.

Why is "believe all women" not applicable in this case?

Is this a political stunt? Of course it fucking is. But she's also a woman living in America.

Because she worked very hard to make sure no one believes her. She will literally do anything, hurt anyone to reach her goals. She is literally an evil woman and in no way or any situation deserves a neutral assessment. There are certain people where you can do that and she's one of them.

HP_Wuvcraft · Sep 30, 2018

Sinder said:
Literally every word she's ever said on TV has been a lie up till now? Is that your contention?

Finding the one woman who has never been sexually assaulted in this country is like finding a needle in a haystack.

SugarNoodles · Sep 30, 2018

Francesco said:
You can prove me wrong, but I actually think that's exactly what it should mean.
Bad people can lie about anything, no?
And I'm not talking about this case specifically. I'm sure she, as most women, was assaulted sometime in her life.

Character assassination is a standard part of discrediting survivors.

Doof · Sep 30, 2018

boof said:
grossest thread i think i've ever read on here. what is wrong with you people?

Sick burner account.

TarNaru33 · Sep 30, 2018

RustyNails said:
She works in the fucking white house. I understand if we're talking about a paid contributor dipshit but our tax dollars are her salary and I'd like for these people to be held accountable. I'm tired with these cries from people about don't bring them on CNN. Have fun in your bubbles.

Them being aired so much is a huge contributor to why Trump is in office. Tax dollars or not, we do not win airing these people constantly, knowing that nothing is going to get through to them or the supporters they are reaching out for. In fact, I would say it does more harm than good.

So, I agree with that guy. Unless its either really important or at least a respectable institution, CNN really should be decreasing their exposure. Like Vox reported on, CNN thrive on these clickbait arguments, so we can't get true reporting anymore.

Steeped in a Sea of Games · Sep 30, 2018

SugarNoodles said:
Character assassination is a standard part of discrediting survivors.

It's hard to assassinate the character of someone who already killed it themselves many times over, gleefully and with malice.

Ogami Itto · Sep 30, 2018

Everybody in this administration is a fucking two face lying piece of shit Conway included.

Sinder · Sep 30, 2018

Steeped in a Sea of Games said:
Because she worked very hard to make sure no one believes her. She will literally do anything, hurt anyone to reach her goals. She is literally an evil woman and in no way or any situation deserves a neutral assessment. There are certain people where you can do that and she's one of them.

Exactly.

Stinkles · Sep 30, 2018

Sou Da said:

This is my favorite response in the thread.

SugarNoodles · Sep 30, 2018

Steeped in a Sea of Games said:
It's hard to assassinate the character of someone who already killed it themselves many times over, gleefully and with malice.

That doesn't mean she's not a target for sexual assault.

Steeped in a Sea of Games · Sep 30, 2018

Progressives sometimes get too caught up in the idea of purity of argument. Exceptions to the rule exist in all things in all walks of life. It's ok to accept that reality.

TarNaru33 · Sep 30, 2018

Steeped in a Sea of Games said:
Because she worked very hard to make sure no one believes her. She will literally do anything, hurt anyone to reach her goals. She is literally an evil woman and in no way or any situation deserves a neutral assessment. There are certain people where you can do that and she's one of them.

I back this, right here.

She is still an awful person who would say anything to get what she wants, because of this, it significantly dilutes her claim. Now, I do not believe anyone who has a lot of public exposure should engage her on this claim at all, because she said it to be a double-edged sword.

Laserdisk · Sep 30, 2018

He is really something else

GaimeGuy · Sep 30, 2018

She's a disgusting creature using her own victimhood to shame other victims about their own experiences, and that's assuming the best about her

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