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Suicide Squad
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I dont get why they needed a team of bad guys could they just not send a swat team or something?
Will smith > swat - Yeah i get why he might be good since hes hawkeye and everything
Joker lady < swat - Why in gods name bring her? she got a bat as a weapon and risking the joker to interfer
rope guy < swat - swat can also scale buildings and are disciplined
boomerang guy < swat - im sure a gun would be of more use
Katana girl < swat - a gun would be of more use even if it dosent trap the souls
crocodile < swat - swat can also swim under water + use a gun
fire guy < swat - gun with bullets would be better 99% of the time unless the enemie has dug trenches.
the witch < swat - wait shes the villain, what was their origial mission? anyway dont bring her she is liability
did i forget anyone?
i was really dissapointed in this movie after the awsome trailers.
Will smith > swat - Yeah i get why he might be good since hes hawkeye and everything
Joker lady < swat - Why in gods name bring her? she got a bat as a weapon and risking the joker to interfer
rope guy < swat - swat can also scale buildings and are disciplined
boomerang guy < swat - im sure a gun would be of more use
Katana girl < swat - a gun would be of more use even if it dosent trap the souls
crocodile < swat - swat can also swim under water + use a gun
fire guy < swat - gun with bullets would be better 99% of the time unless the enemie has dug trenches.
the witch < swat - wait shes the villain, what was their origial mission? anyway dont bring her she is liability
did i forget anyone?
i was really dissapointed in this movie after the awsome trailers.
It had a solid soundtrack and some pretty good scenes. Not the trainwreck I feared, but I don't expect to watch it again.
One of the worst movies I've ever seen. Fuck that trailer for making the movie look good.
Thank you. I heard she was great, and was expecting for some good comedic lines from her, but I didn't laugh once.
Folks out here talking about it being the worst super hero movie need to check out The Spirit to see just how wrong things can really go. Green Hornet too.
+ great actors with interesting characters
+ cool trailer, looked promising
+ pyro man backstory and abilities
- oprah knock off
- awful cgi villain fight
- story was stupid and background of most of characters poorly handled
- editing and scenes felt disjointed, boring
- no decent visual setpieces
- joker and love story / batman was mostly cut out and not relevant to story
can't believe there is a sequel, after the first film was so disappointing
+ cool trailer, looked promising
+ pyro man backstory and abilities
- oprah knock off
- awful cgi villain fight
- story was stupid and background of most of characters poorly handled
- editing and scenes felt disjointed, boring
- no decent visual setpieces
- joker and love story / batman was mostly cut out and not relevant to story
can't believe there is a sequel, after the first film was so disappointing
Problems :
Tried way too hard to be Guardians of the Galaxy with the music
Awful villain with awful CGI
'Oh, btw this Japanese warrior who traps souls in a sword is coming too'
Some awfully obvious lines 'we're bad guys!'
Tom Hardy imitator cos they couldn't get Tom
Joker is a bit try hard tatted up androgen woke millennial
Good parts:
Harley. She is a good take on the character helped largely by the acting.
Good intro song
Some aspects of action are all right
Joker is good in some respects; less terrorist clown and more whacky club gangster, which is believable
A 6/10 with some cringey issues
Tried way too hard to be Guardians of the Galaxy with the music
Awful villain with awful CGI
'Oh, btw this Japanese warrior who traps souls in a sword is coming too'
Some awfully obvious lines 'we're bad guys!'
Tom Hardy imitator cos they couldn't get Tom
Joker is a bit try hard tatted up androgen woke millennial
Good parts:
Harley. She is a good take on the character helped largely by the acting.
Good intro song
Some aspects of action are all right
Joker is good in some respects; less terrorist clown and more whacky club gangster, which is believable
A 6/10 with some cringey issues
How Bohemian Rhapsody tricked 50 million people into believing that a trailer they watched as actually good. Mute the volume or replace the music with some generic trailer music and nobody would be saying it was a good trailer.
So much this. When I read that after watching it I thought "yeah that makes sense". And it's crazy cause the trailer was really, really, good..promising a crazy fun action movie and all we got was a fucking 2-hour music video that is barely coherent. I thought Harley Quinn was probably the only good thing about it, but not enough to make it watchable. And the joker was fucking terrible, even the director basically admitted to it.
it is so bad, it's actually kinda amazing how much they fucked it up.
watch the first 15 minutes and you will see every thing (awful) this movie has to offer.
I didn't watch the director's cut, so maybe that's a little better, but Leto's Joker performance deserved every bit of criticism it got. It's horrible.
also put some effort into your thread, OP.
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watch the first 15 minutes and you will see every thing (awful) this movie has to offer.
I didn't watch the director's cut, so maybe that's a little better, but Leto's Joker performance deserved every bit of criticism it got. It's horrible.
also put some effort into your thread, OP.
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yes, also this... the movie has maybe the most forced use of music ever.
tied with fan4stic as the absolute worst superhero movie of recent years and easily the worst film that i've paid to see in the cinema in the past 5 years. people rag on DCEU's other blackspot, BvS - and don't get me wrong, that's also a complete mess - but suicide squad is in another stratosphere when it comes to shitiness. whereas there are elements to BvS that you could construe as having merit - zack snyder's visual over stylisation certainly helps at least 'muffle' the script's idiocy at times - you'd be very hard pressed to do the same for suicide squad.
the editing is the worst i've ever seen in a blockbuster of this calibre, the soundtrack - especially in those opening sequences - seems to only exist because they needed some kind of noise to fill the background, multiple plot elements are brought up without payoff which means several characters inclusions are largely pointless. the script is terrible and - probably in part due to the editing - all of the big emotional payoffs fall so spectacularly flat it's laughable. the big 2nd act 'twist' with waller makes absolutely no sense. meanwhile, when the diablo dude calls the squad his 'family' and harley states that they are all her 'friends', it feels so unearned that i had to stifle a guffaw the first time i saw it. the only fucking time they manage to spend time with each other and exhibit some kind of group dynamic is in the bar scene - beyond that i'm pretty sure that throughout the entirety of this film's runtime, certain members of the team barely even interact with one another. it was clear what they were going for. and they even had a fine example of a massively popular film - about a similarly rag-tag group of superpowered criminals who set aside their differences to become a family - to play off of and take inspiration from just a couple of years earlier. but they fucked it up spectacularly.
people like to eschew blame from david ayer by claiming that most of the film's problems come from the editing suite, much like it might be easy to claim, as josh trank did on twitter, that fan4stic once was a great film destroyed by the studio. while reports suggest that the script was written in about 6 weeks to meet scheduling constraints - the ideas here were questionable to begin with. but beyond that, the direction is either underwhelming or at worst - creepy and sexist. when it became clear in those opening moments that the film was going to be a complete shambles i at least held out hope that - as someone known for his action films in the past - ayer would deliver on the setpieces. but almost all of it falls flat, equalling the worst and most bland of the MCU's action efforts.
but worst of all is, for all that harley was being pushed as a strong female character, the film revels in creepy voyeuristic shots that completely objectify her, undermining the character. ooh look she's in her bra and everyone's looking but she doesn't know why, ho ho ho! ooh look, she's leaning over to pick up something in a shop window but she's doing it *slowly* and the camera's getting a nice shot of her arse! and this doesn't even touch upon the plot revelation that deep down harley actually just wants to be a stay-at-home mum - because, ya know, all fiercely independent women all just secretly want to be domesticated! i hope to fuck ayer is staying far away from the all-female super villain squad movie.
man even just thinking and writing about this has got me tilted. biggest disappointment of 2016, bar none. leto was by far the least of this film's problems. 'what are we - some kind of suicide squad?' UGH.
the editing is the worst i've ever seen in a blockbuster of this calibre, the soundtrack - especially in those opening sequences - seems to only exist because they needed some kind of noise to fill the background, multiple plot elements are brought up without payoff which means several characters inclusions are largely pointless. the script is terrible and - probably in part due to the editing - all of the big emotional payoffs fall so spectacularly flat it's laughable. the big 2nd act 'twist' with waller makes absolutely no sense. meanwhile, when the diablo dude calls the squad his 'family' and harley states that they are all her 'friends', it feels so unearned that i had to stifle a guffaw the first time i saw it. the only fucking time they manage to spend time with each other and exhibit some kind of group dynamic is in the bar scene - beyond that i'm pretty sure that throughout the entirety of this film's runtime, certain members of the team barely even interact with one another. it was clear what they were going for. and they even had a fine example of a massively popular film - about a similarly rag-tag group of superpowered criminals who set aside their differences to become a family - to play off of and take inspiration from just a couple of years earlier. but they fucked it up spectacularly.
people like to eschew blame from david ayer by claiming that most of the film's problems come from the editing suite, much like it might be easy to claim, as josh trank did on twitter, that fan4stic once was a great film destroyed by the studio. while reports suggest that the script was written in about 6 weeks to meet scheduling constraints - the ideas here were questionable to begin with. but beyond that, the direction is either underwhelming or at worst - creepy and sexist. when it became clear in those opening moments that the film was going to be a complete shambles i at least held out hope that - as someone known for his action films in the past - ayer would deliver on the setpieces. but almost all of it falls flat, equalling the worst and most bland of the MCU's action efforts.
but worst of all is, for all that harley was being pushed as a strong female character, the film revels in creepy voyeuristic shots that completely objectify her, undermining the character. ooh look she's in her bra and everyone's looking but she doesn't know why, ho ho ho! ooh look, she's leaning over to pick up something in a shop window but she's doing it *slowly* and the camera's getting a nice shot of her arse! and this doesn't even touch upon the plot revelation that deep down harley actually just wants to be a stay-at-home mum - because, ya know, all fiercely independent women all just secretly want to be domesticated! i hope to fuck ayer is staying far away from the all-female super villain squad movie.
man even just thinking and writing about this has got me tilted. biggest disappointment of 2016, bar none. leto was by far the least of this film's problems. 'what are we - some kind of suicide squad?' UGH.
What always gets trotted out with this one is "At least Will Smith and Margot Robbie were good". I really struggle to see why, especially in Robbie's case. I don't think either are necessarily bad in the movie, but that doesn't make their performances good. Will Smith was default Will Smith. Even then, he sounded kind of bored at times.
Harley was obnoxious. I barely remember the animated series, but I remember her being kind of obnoxious in that too, so maybe that's the point of the character. Fair enough then. But her delivery in the animated series was better. Robbie sounds really stilted and forced in SS. The 'perfume is the stench of death' thing, 'Now that's a killer app' and the like, were delivered terribly. She's better when she's not delivering a dumb "zinger", but still not exactly 'saving grace of the movie' better.
Jay Hernandez as Diablo was better than them both, yet he's never brought up. He actually gives a decent performance as a guy who's tortured over what his powers have done in the past. He's the only character in the group who actively could be rooted for in any way, as he's not quite as irredeemably terrible as the others are. Will Smith has a daughter...that's his character. Even then it's a daughter he lies to in the worst way and equates buying her shit as being a good father, and displays little remorse for it. Diablo is weighed down by his past to the point of self-imposed isolation, holding his power back for fear of what it could do. He has an arc, the only character who really does, as he finally gets to use his power to do some good. There's bad moments with him due to the shitty writing, of course. His considering SS "family" was unearned as all hell....but still, he was the MVP of the movie. But Smith and Robbie get the praise because they're bigger names, and that sucks. Then again being the best thing in Suicide Squad, of all films, isn't exactly the highest of accolades when up against...
Wow, Joel Kinnaman is AWFUL in that clip. Not helped by the writing of course, but wow...
Harley was obnoxious. I barely remember the animated series, but I remember her being kind of obnoxious in that too, so maybe that's the point of the character. Fair enough then. But her delivery in the animated series was better. Robbie sounds really stilted and forced in SS. The 'perfume is the stench of death' thing, 'Now that's a killer app' and the like, were delivered terribly. She's better when she's not delivering a dumb "zinger", but still not exactly 'saving grace of the movie' better.
Jay Hernandez as Diablo was better than them both, yet he's never brought up. He actually gives a decent performance as a guy who's tortured over what his powers have done in the past. He's the only character in the group who actively could be rooted for in any way, as he's not quite as irredeemably terrible as the others are. Will Smith has a daughter...that's his character. Even then it's a daughter he lies to in the worst way and equates buying her shit as being a good father, and displays little remorse for it. Diablo is weighed down by his past to the point of self-imposed isolation, holding his power back for fear of what it could do. He has an arc, the only character who really does, as he finally gets to use his power to do some good. There's bad moments with him due to the shitty writing, of course. His considering SS "family" was unearned as all hell....but still, he was the MVP of the movie. But Smith and Robbie get the praise because they're bigger names, and that sucks. Then again being the best thing in Suicide Squad, of all films, isn't exactly the highest of accolades when up against...
Wow, Joel Kinnaman is AWFUL in that clip. Not helped by the writing of course, but wow...
The issue that Flagg, the one who was considered noble enough to look after a bunch of criminals, would let Waller get away with executing her subordinates.
Oh my god no.
Hyperbolic drive engaged
hyperbolic? i gave plenty of reasoning as to why i hated suicide squad in that post. if anything it's shocking how many similarities suicide squad has with fan4stic: a rushed, troublesome production, a terrible script, solid actors being wasted, awful editing.
i actually think i dislike suicide squad more if not for the fact that i was actually interested in seeing it and fucking paid to go see the thing.
edit: i don't agree with the other post you quoted though. that's just a drive-by shitpost without any explanation.
You can relate them in their productions, but to rank it as THAT bad just seems silly.
It's your rankings, but damn
how so? it's a terrible film. fan4stic was terrible too. this is an odd thing to get hung up on. what don't you agree with me on in my original post?
It was a baaaad movie.
The squad gets called in to deal with the witch's brother, but then they were just meant to save Waller. In fact, the military was going to deal with the antagonist by themselves. The action sucks. Deadshots big action setpiece is just standing on a car shooting things.
The squad gets called in to deal with the witch's brother, but then they were just meant to save Waller. In fact, the military was going to deal with the antagonist by themselves. The action sucks. Deadshots big action setpiece is just standing on a car shooting things.
Odd?
Like I said it's your ranking.
4 falls apart after the first act for me, squad is at least pretty well made with tonal choices and the script being the main issues.
4 is a disaster with one single action scene in a massive summer cape blockbuster
Squad has decent action scenes, and production design.
One is a mess that fell to prices and one made bad choices that went against the comic book community.
It's like saying something is the worst film ever made, it's just a silly statement for shock value
i'm not saying that it's the worst film in the world and i'm not trying to say what i have just for shock value. if i were i would have just left a lazy driveby like many people, including the OP, seem to be doing in here. are you implying fan4stic is the worst film ever made? because i'd disagree with that too, although it certainly does make an argument for being amongst the worst big budget tentpole released in the past decade.
i don't read comics and don't particularly care if one movie is closer to its source material than the other as long as it's good. which neither are. so my chagrin against both films isn't sourced from being mad that they got the comics wrong.
i'd argue (and have in my earlier posts) that suicide squad has more issues than you claim. i wouldn't call it well made at all and i'd refute the idea that it has decent action as most of it felt extremely flat to me (hence the source for some of my disappointment). i could tell there was something very wrong with suicide squad from the first sequence in the movie, something that at least doesn't become completely obvious in fan4stic till some genius decided to make 'it's clobbering time' the catchphrase for ben's abusive brother. i see similarities in both films as they are fundamentally broken films from the script down - even if they hadn't both been ravaged in the editing suite they would still be poor.
i honestly didn't think it was a controversial to hate suicide squad, hence why i thought it was odd to get hung up on. there are plenty of other people in this thread who seem to be down on it as much as i am. similarly, i wouldn't necessarily say BvS is worse than either film but i'd totally understand why someone could think that, especially if articulated correctly.
I'm saying it's the worst cape in recent memory and you comparing it to squad is really reductive especially due to the things squad did right
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It's not bait, the reasons why people hate it are the reasons why I enjoyed it.
It's a guilty pleasure movie for me.
i agree that fan4stic is one of the worst cape films in recent memory. and i'm saying and explaining that suicide squad is also one of the worst cape movie in recent memory alongside it. i'm not being reductive and you're failing to explain why.
i'm not ignoring what squad did right (which in my opinion - outside of some visual design and the occasional sfx shots - was very little for me), but anything that it does competently is massively outweighed by the crap surrounding it, and all of the good and the bad was then shoved into a blender last minute and spewed onto the screen. there are aspects of fan4stic that i didn't mind, either. the setup was at least intriguing, the way that trank visualised the source of their powers was pretty smart, and the brief glimpses of body horror was original and a similarly pretty smart way to visualise the team's 'growing pains'. but the rest of it is garbage. and then the studio decided to cut it up even further. just like suicide squad.
i honestly don't get why you're making the comparison seem strange. both are considered as amongst the shittiest cape movies in recent memory critically. and if anything i see more posts decrying suicide squad than fan4stic (although that might be because no one bothered to watch fan4stic at release, including myself).
Leto's Joker seemed weak. The actor doesn't seem capable of projecting an intimidating presence. His character in BR2049 took away from the general menace developing in the film, as it did SS.
Strange theater experience. People were really into it in the beginning but as the movie dragged along reactions became increasingly muted/silent. Even before the end credits formally started there was already a line to the exit.
Suicide Squad? Well made?
The movie is literally the worst-made big budget movie with A list stars and a seasoned director i have ever seen.
It fails at some of the most basic film-making.
Fun fact, the animators actually toned down the movement of the actress.
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