Arlo: Yeah. Let's talk about Nintendo Switch Online (rant)

Luminish · Sep 29, 2018

Mental Atrophy said:
Is Splatoon 2 actually peer-to-peer or is it really just client-server where one of the players is designated as the server?

It's definitely distributed. I think the netcode is good as any other distributed p2p, but the tick rate (how quickly and often it refreshes with new information from the internet) is capped at an abysmal 16Hz, which is the biggest reason Splatoon 2 internet play feels particularly crappy compared to any other shooter.

I litterally don't know of any other online shooter that's worse than 20Hz, which just that would be 33% faster than Splatoon 2. The biggest shooters have been moving to 60Hz in the last couple of years.

Mistle · Sep 29, 2018

goldenpp73 said:
This Arlo guy is like the master of the obvious, never anything really insightful is said.

Hey look everyone, this guy is smarter than Arlo!

Datajoy · Sep 29, 2018

Nightbird said:
He says nothing new, but it's interesting to see someone who's usually pretty Nintendo-positive to rant like this.

Pretty sure he first gained people's attention for his videos shitting on Wii U-era Nintendo.

goldenpp73 · Sep 29, 2018

Mistle said:
Hey look everyone, this guy is smarter than Arlo!

Do you find Arlo videos fascinating or enlightening on any level? Honest question.

Risq · Sep 29, 2018

goldenpp73 said:
Do you find Arlo videos fascinating or enlightening on any level? Honest question.

Like most (Nintendo?) youtubers they are basically all just making videos about the same things anyway. No one is really breaking any news or presenting insightful opinions. I unsubbed from a whole bunch recently as you really only need one on your feed, unfortunately for Arlo I find his shtick and voice annoying so he didn't make the cut.

Deleted member 6730 · Sep 29, 2018

Mistle said:
Hey look everyone, this guy is smarter than Arlo!

I don't think that would be hard.

Luminish · Sep 29, 2018

Also, Dedicated servers are basically hack proof, and hack protection is something Splatoon 2 desperately needs. It wouldn't stop aimbots or wall hacks, but Splatoon 2's hacker problem goes way beyond that type of thing.

Risq · Sep 29, 2018

thepotatoman said:
Also, Dedicated servers are basically hack proof, and hack protection is something Splatoon 2 desperately needs. It wouldn't stop aimbots or wall hacks, but Splatoon 2's hacker problem goes way beyond that type of thing.

Lmao you have no idea what you're talking about, please stop.

Cheats are done client side for P2P and games with dedicated servers.

Splatoon 2 does have working anti cheat, it just needs to be reviewed by an actual person before the individual is banned.

Risq · Sep 29, 2018

thepotatoman said:
I litterally don't know of any other online shooter that's worse than 20Hz, which just that would be 33% faster than Splatoon 2. The biggest shooters have been moving to 60Hz in the last couple of years.

Maybe you've heard of a little known game called Destiny 2 with a 10hz tick rate. Next.

Luminish · Sep 29, 2018

Risq said:
Lmao you have no idea what you're talking about, please stop.

Cheats are done client side for P2P and games with dedicated servers.

Splatoon 2 does have working anti cheat, it just needs to be reviewed by an actual person before the individual is banned.

Fuck off with that type of talk if you're just going to misunderstand what I say.

Obviously what I was saying was that game logic calculated on the dedicated server side is litterally unhackable, which is why I specifically excluded aimbots and wallhacks which are client side hacks. Splatoon 2 has plenty of players with 100x speed and damage which you very rarely see in dedicated server games because that would require specific bugs to make work. You'd be able to stop them from ever doing it in the first place instead of waiting for anti-cheat software to detect them.

udivision · Sep 29, 2018

Risq said:
Maybe you've heard of a little known game called Destiny 2 with a 10hz tick rate. Next.

Apparently it it was cleared up by Bungie that it's 30Hz for the combat, but 10hz for notifications per their blog.

Risq · Sep 29, 2018

thepotatoman said:
You'd be able to stop them from ever doing it in the first place instead of waiting for anti-cheat software to detect them.

Bruh you can speed hack and bunny hop in games with dedicated servers lmao it's one of the most popular things.

Luminish · Sep 29, 2018

Risq said:
Maybe you've heard of a little known game called Destiny 2 with a 10hz tick rate. Next.

It's 30hz for the p2p with other players in the crucible, 10hz for pve. Basically it's uniquely complicated.

Again if you want to act like an asshole, at least be right, but i'd prefer to discuss this civilly.

Risq said:
Bruh you can speed hack and bunny hop in games with dedicated servers lmao it's one of the most popular things.

lol yeah, that's the equivalent to a speed and damage boost hack.

Dice · Sep 29, 2018

Hoo-doo said:
Why is he a sock puppet? Is he also a sock puppet at his own convention? Does he lay underneath the table all afternoon?

Youtube is weird.

I accept it!! Better than... I dunno another nerd face. :X

(I know that sounds bad, but I swear it's more in support of puppets than to disenfranchise owners of "nerd face™"; I love a ton of YT game geeks a lot; but my inner-child is adoring a puppet-gimmick right now)

Risq · Sep 29, 2018

thepotatoman said:
Again if you want to act like an asshole, at least be right, but i'd prefer to discuss this civilly.

Fair enough, news to me that it's 30hz combat so I'll concede on that.

The fact that most games these days (console) are still using p2p is weird but something I guess most people have come to accept that we're paying for it (literally). The problem is people think it's only a Nintendo problem which is not true, afaik D2 is also p2p.

higgsboson1997 · Sep 29, 2018

I don't see what the point of posting the video here was, it says nothing new that hasn't already been said on this site more than a thousand times, and that has been discussed to death with the same arguments back and forth.

For me, personally, this is easily the best of the three online services. I get the same functionality that I want from an online service (the ability to play online) for a measly $20 instead of $60. They also told us they'd implement the service and year and a half beforehand, so it's not like the paywall was unannounced. I'm just glad they extended the online service's implementation by a year to give us more time to play for free, and I can easily fork $20 the rest of the way through to continue playing Splatoon and Smash.

WhiskerFrisker · Sep 29, 2018

A service where you can't even message a person on your friends list on the console itself is the "best of the three." That's actually hysterical.

Luminish · Sep 29, 2018

Risq said:
Fair enough, news to me that it's 30hz combat so I'll concede on that.

The fact that most games these days (console) are still using p2p is weird but something I guess most people have come to accept that we're paying for it (literally). The problem is people think it's only a Nintendo problem which is not true, afaik D2 is also p2p.

I don't think that's true anymore. Call of Duty WW2 sometimes put you into p2p when their servers are full, but the black ops 4 demo never does that.

Destiny 2 is kinda the exception to the rule, which actually combines dedicated with p2p and seems to get the worst of both worlds, but at least pvp isn't Destiny 2's focus.

I recommend battle(non)sense on youtube for most game specific netcode info.

edit: i should probably specify that's for games where dedicated servers make sense. 1v1 games typically should be p2p and when they are on dedicated servers it's usually because EA is being evil and wants you to buy their yearly update to Madden after they disable them.

mindsale · Sep 29, 2018

Genuinely shocked to see criticism from this channel. The only other video I've heard this fella call Nintendo out on was its last E3. Otherwise it has the most pandering, cringey video titles like -

"Perfect for Switch!"
"The Ultimate Smash Bros! They ain't kiddin'!"
"Nintendo's DLC is on-point!"
"Nintendo is real good buds with Ubisoft and Bethesda!"
"I Saw Reggie and Now I'm dead!"

It's a helpful reminder that holding companies accountable for their failings doesn't mean they'll take your toys away.

Wescoast76 · Sep 29, 2018

Haha Arlo is absolutely never posted here. The one time he says something negative about Nintendo, what do you know? Not suspicious at all.

New_Guy · Sep 29, 2018

Vidiot said:
Could have just waited untill then for Switch online too. Not like we'd be missing much.

You could just wait to subscribe.

Phendrana · Sep 29, 2018

Wescoast76 said:
Haha Arlo is absolutely never posted here. The one time he says something negative about Nintendo, what do you know? Not suspicious at all.

Suspicious? Lmao. What agenda do you think is being pushed here? Arlo is rarely posted on Resetera because 99% of his videos don't bring anything new to the discussion. This one is notable because it's encouraging to see that even the more positive parts of the Nintendo fanbase realize how terrible Nintendo's online service is.

mindsale · Sep 29, 2018

Wescoast76 said:
Haha Arlo is absolutely never posted here. The one time he says something negative about Nintendo, what do you know? Not suspicious at all.

I'm just curious what you think that suspicion might be.

zenspider · Sep 29, 2018

WestEgg said:
Splatoon 2, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, and Smash Ultimate are all certainly killer aps. Yes the first two have been available for free, but we've known since before the Switch launched that they weren't going to be that way for long.

This is my feeling. I've had a blast playing Aces, Mario Kart, and Splatoon 2 over the last few days. I've already forgot about the 20 bucks, and won't think about it again for year (besides these threads).

aznpxdd · Sep 29, 2018

Jebus the Nintendo stans on this site are unbelievable. Gladly hand over 20 bucks for a terrible online service that was free, then proceeds to bitch at peeps for not having the same low standards as them.

Mr. Pointy · Sep 29, 2018

Fundamentally, the puppet is right. Nintendo's online service isn't worth the cost, but you're stuck buying into it because of Smash, etc.

I like 'angry' Arlo. I almost want Nintendo to fuck up another Paper Mario just to watch the video he puts out.

Risq · Sep 29, 2018

Phendrana said:
Arlo is rarely posted on Resetera because 99% of his videos don't bring anything new to the discussion.

And this one does? Even "mostly positive" Nintendo channels are bandwagoning for views. It's not notable and all the same points people heard many times over before they still decided to sub.

ShinJohnpv · Sep 29, 2018

Brandon said:
Why does it seem like no one mentions the games PlayStation Plus and Xbox Live Gold offer when they mention they are $60.

Yeah, they are $60 but they are giving you current games every month not games that are over 30 years old. You also get 4 with Xbox, at least 6 sometimes extra with PlayStation but only 3 with Nintendo.

Yeah most the games offered are games that I bought when they came out 18+ months earlier or stuff I have no interest in. I think I grabbed 2 games from PS+ this year. When they first started it on PS3 it was great but since they launched the PS4 it's been terrible, with a really weak selection.

Brandon · Sep 30, 2018

ShinJohnpv said:
Yeah most the games offered are games that I bought when they came out 18+ months earlier or stuff I have no interest in. I think I grabbed 2 games from PS+ this year. When they first started it on PS3 it was great but since they launched the PS4 it's been terrible, with a really weak selection.

Okay?

Phendrana · Sep 30, 2018

Risq said:
And this one does? Even "mostly positive" Nintendo channels are bandwagoning for views. It's not notable and all the same points people heard many times over before they still decided to sub.

As mentioned in the sentence you snipped out; this video is notable because it shows that even those who are usually very forgiving of Nintendo's inadequacies aren't giving this a pass. Ideally I'd like to see Nintendo improve their online offering, and a channel like Arlo drawing attention to it might actually have some degree of impact. Or at the very least get a different sect of the audience in on the conversation.

ShinJohnpv · Sep 30, 2018

Brandon said:
Okay?

You asked why no one mentioned it, because its mostly stuff the majority bought ages ago at launch, or stuff no one is interested in.

Brandon · Sep 30, 2018

ShinJohnpv said:
You asked why no one mentioned it, because its mostly stuff the majority bought ages ago at launch, or stuff no one is interested in.

Yeah.. unlike NES games.

Nepenthe · Sep 30, 2018

Vito said:
People are hating on Arlo because of the puppet?

You guys are monsters.

Yeah, if anything was to make me raise an eyebrow, Arlo hate would be it.

The actual puppetry is pretty darn good; the construction and emoting are top-notch, and its presence naturally influences a more inviting tone to the videos. It's very hard to be an annoying, typical gamer asshole when you're a dedicated costumed character, even if the character itself is experiencing negative emotions like disappointment or outrage. Happy or sad, I can zen out with Arlo.

Even if he talks about rote topics (which I wouldn't know about; I'm not too hard into the Nintendo scene to know what is and isn't old ground), it's just casual, laid-back fun from him. Like...what is there to hate? And if this is "bad" stuff, what in the world should I be watching in terms of Nintendo Youtubers? They must be amazing.

PCPace · Sep 30, 2018

aznpxdd said:
Jebus the Nintendo stans on this site are unbelievable. Gladly hand over 20 bucks for a terrible online service that was free, then proceeds to bitch at peeps for not having the same low standards as them.

Nah the online service is fine. It rolled out smoothly, works easily, has features I enjoy, the voice chat app is good fight me, and because it is not as full featured it is a lot cheaper.

Giga Man · Sep 30, 2018

Um... Are you all aware of this yet?

https://www.nintendoenthusiast.com/2018/09/28/lego-worlds-dlc-locked/

I hope this is an isolated case that will be remedied soon, but this is worrying.

Basically, Lego Worlds' DLC is locked behind Nintendo Online, so you can't buy the DLC without also paying for Nintendo's online subscription. WB Games apparently didn't intend for this to happen.

Looking at the date, this is day-old news, so hopefully this isn't an issue still.

Wescoast76 · Sep 30, 2018

mindsale said:
I'm just curious what you think that suspicion might be.

Are you really? Or are you being disingenuous? Hmmm...

mindsale · Sep 30, 2018

Wescoast76 said:
Are you really? Or are you being disingenuous? Hmmm...

I'm legitimately curious.

Wescoast76 · Sep 30, 2018

mindsale said:
I'm legitimately curious.

I'm sure you are.

commish · Sep 30, 2018

PCPace said:
Nah the online service is fine. It rolled out smoothly, works easily, has features I enjoy, the voice chat app is good fight me, and because it is not as full featured it is a lot cheaper.

Yikes haha. Let's just say I'd gladly pay more for a better service.

mindsale · Sep 30, 2018

Wescoast76 said:
I'm sure you are.

This isn't how you have a discourse.

AcademicSaucer · Sep 30, 2018

They should jus buy an Xbox One and take notes

jwhit28 · Sep 30, 2018

I'm not happy to be paying another online subscription but there really isn't anything Nintendo could have done to make me happy about it. Honestly I'd prefer if PSN offered a cutdown version of PS Plus that was $20 a year. They can keep their cloudsaves and "free" games.

MesaEterna · Sep 30, 2018

People say we're now paying $20 for something that used to be free and that's completely false. Did the free trial include cloud saves? NES games? NES controllers and Splatoon 2 gear?

Wescoast76 · Sep 30, 2018

mindsale said:
This isn't how you have a discourse.

Thanks for the tip. I'll keep that in mind.

mindsale · Sep 30, 2018

Wescoast76 said:
Thanks for the tip. I'll keep that in mind.

Again, dismissals.

I just want you to expound on your conspiracy against a publisher.

Should we be worried?

How deeply does it run?

Yukinari · Sep 30, 2018

mindsale said:
Genuinely shocked to see criticism from this channel. The only other video I've heard this fella call Nintendo out on was its last E3. Otherwise it has the most pandering, cringey video titles like -

"Perfect for Switch!"
"The Ultimate Smash Bros! They ain't kiddin'!"
"Nintendo's DLC is on-point!"
"Nintendo is real good buds with Ubisoft and Bethesda!"
"I Saw Reggie and Now I'm dead!"

It's a helpful reminder that holding companies accountable for their failings doesn't mean they'll take your toys away.

The video that got him as popular as he is now was his Problem With Paper Mario video. He used to be very critical of 2015-2016 nintendo and for good reason.

His biggest weaknesses are being too nice to companies and shallow knowledge/tastes in games. Hes clearly capable of speaking his mind but respectfully unlike Josh Thomas.

Wescoast76 · Sep 30, 2018

mindsale said:
Again, dismissals.

I just want you to expound on your conspiracy against a publisher.

Should we be worried?

How deeply does it run?

I think you're very confused. So I'll just be going now...

mindsale · Sep 30, 2018

Wescoast76 said:
I think you're very confused. So I'll just be going now...

You allege suspicions of a cabal disseminating an anti-publisher bias.

I ask for clarification.

I'm the confused one.

thesaint08 · Sep 30, 2018

Kronvilt said:
Can only speak for myself but I can't remember the last time I spent more than 10 minutes on a ps plus game or used ps plus discount.

So I'm paying $60 on ps4 to do the exact same thing I'm paying $20 on switch for. Which is playing the same 2 - 3 games with my friends online.

If ps4 had a $20 only online play option I would gladly pay that.

In the UK we have sites That we can purchase PSN credit and/or PS+ for a discount. It's a shame you don't have an equivalent for your country.

A way to cut the cost regardless of what country you live in is to buy PS+ from another region. This fills your criteria perfectly.

BBboy20 · Sep 30, 2018

Vicious17 said:
"Hey, lets have them pay for something they've been getting for free all these years without also having a killer app to justify the product" just feels wrong.

If your killer app is as much of a lagfest as the previous killer apps, what's the point?

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