This is how I see it.
The moment they bring Colin in for something is the moment the whole "Love & Respect" thing dies. I already feel that they don't do enough to actually promote that slogan as a real message - when real issues arise, time and time again they waste precious opportunities to actually improve their community by discussing those issues. I get that actual gameplay is their focus, but avoiding topical discussions on diversity and all that makes them veer dangerously close to the "I miss when games were just games" brigade, and the slogan ring hollow.
Trying to reason with myself of not picking up a Switch for $400AU and buying Mario.....dear god I want it.
This is how I see it.
The moment they bring Colin in for something is the moment the whole "Love & Respect" thing dies. I already feel that they don't do enough to actually promote that slogan as a real message - when real issues arise, time and time again they waste precious opportunities to actually improve their community by discussing those issues. I get that actual gameplay is their focus, but avoiding topical discussions on diversity and all that makes them veer dangerously close to the "I miss when games were just games" brigade, and the slogan ring hollow.
I... really want to get a PS4 Pro. Even though I only have a 1080p TV, am not planning to get a 4K TV, and really only play a handful of games regularly. I am an idiot.
This is one of the most tragically ironic statements I've ever read.
I... really want to get a PS4 Pro. Even though I only have a 1080p TV, am not planning to get a 4K TV, and really only play a handful of games regularly. I am an idiot.
When those "things I agree with" fall under the category of basic human decency, yes.love and respect. as long as you say and do things i agree with.
love and respect. as long as you say and do things i agree with.
Is the best way to change the mind of an 'enemy' to shout them into submission? Has that *ever* worked? Isn't the real and truly human answer an open mind and open heart to just about everyone, to see their point of view, and to counter it with good arguments and rational thoughts? The alternative is a mutated form of self-segregated nationalism, where you pick your side and steadfastly refuse any cross-pollination – lumping those who do seek to reach across the proverbial isle in with the person you can't stand.
Really? You're essentially saying that you don't know enough about the situation yet you're making a judgment on those of us who feel that we do and do not want to associate with Colin at all?To quote from the article talking about this:
Lots of people in both EZA community and Colin's are doing shitty things right now and using the other's actions as evidence to justify their own shittiness. This is the first I've ever heard of Colin Moriarty but the brigade of people essentially saying "we have to shun everyone who even remotely associate with people who have said things I disagree with" are acting just as bigoted as those they're attacking. I don't know enough to have a judgement on Colin, but saying that Brandon shouldn't even associate with this person is absurd, regardless of that person's actions.
To quote from the article talking about this:
Lots of people in both EZA community and Colin's are doing shitty things right now and using the other's actions as evidence to justify their own shittiness. This is the first I've ever heard of Colin Moriarty but the brigade of people essentially saying "we have to shun everyone who even remotely associate with people who have said things I disagree with" are acting just as bigoted as those they're attacking. I don't know enough to have a judgement on Colin, but saying that Brandon shouldn't even associate with this person is absurd, regardless of that person's actions.
Not at all, I'm saying that calling Brandon and the Allies as people who 'condone' awful things because they're talking to someone who allegedly does is imo an over the top reaction. Judge Colin for his actions, and feel free not to support the allies if they want to associate with them. But saying that the allies are "just as bad" for doing so is too much.Really? You're essentially saying that you don't know enough about the situation yet you're making a judgment on those of us who feel that we do and do not want to associate with Colin at all?
Not at all, I'm saying that calling Brandon and the Allies as people who 'condone' awful things because they're talking to someone who allegedly does is imo an over the top reaction. Judge Colin for his actions, and feel free not to support the allies if they want to associate with them. But saying that the allies are "just as bad" for doing so is too much.
Those that call out intolerance are the ones that are actually intolerant?To quote from the article talking about this:
Lots of people in both EZA community and Colin's are doing shitty things right now and using the other's actions as evidence to justify their own shittiness. This is the first I've ever heard of Colin Moriarty but the brigade of people essentially saying "we have to shun everyone who even remotely associate with people who have said things I disagree with" are acting just as bigoted as those they're attacking. I don't know enough to have a judgement on Colin, but saying that Brandon shouldn't even associate with this person is absurd, regardless of that person's actions.
I think nobody is doing that though. I've yet to read someone say they would become just as bad as Colin just by interacting with him. Any source?Not at all, I'm saying that calling Brandon and the Allies as people who 'condone' awful things because they're talking to someone who allegedly does is imo an over the top reaction. Judge Colin for his actions, and feel free not to support the allies if they want to associate with them. But saying that the allies are "just as bad" for doing so is too much.
I feel like most people have just expressed disappointment and their wish for Brandon to not collaborate with them. Please post specific examples of people saying that the Allies are "just as bad." Thanks.Not at all, I'm saying that calling Brandon and the Allies as people who 'condone' awful things because they're talking to someone who allegedly does is imo an over the top reaction. Judge Colin for his actions, and feel free not to support the allies if they want to associate with them. But saying that the allies are "just as bad" for doing so is too much.
I feel it is important that you are specific in this case. Or it will come over that you're equating actions that are no equal in the least. Can you point to specific thing people said that you take issue with?As I said, I had zero idea who Colin was before today. I was responding to the general response/vibe/implication that I had read in this thread. Clearly it was a mistake to post at all.
As I said, I had zero idea who Colin was before today. I was responding to the general response/vibe/implication that I had read in this thread. Clearly it was a mistake to post at all.
This is coming from the person who was ridiculing Ian the other day for bringing up 'politics' (even though he wasn't the person to bring it up or discuss it at length). Stay transparent.
i love ian but he does himself no favours when he talks about this sort of stuff. its really weird. he strikes me as this super creativity, super intelligent, open minded, artsy dude. he has a podcast where he goes in depth on deconstructing the meaning behind movies. he's someone i admire deeply. but then whenever i've heard him talk about anything political its like his brain shuts down as he tries to say something profound and he's unable to articulate any decent arguments beyond very basic hottakes interspersed with a thousand 'likes' and 'yaknows'.
i'd personally be interested to hear him chat with jones about videogames. BUT if the majority of people dont like him and dont want him on the eza podcast i can appreciate that given he's a super polarising figure. its probably for the best not to have him on the show in the chance he antagonises some people.
there's as always a danger in leaving things open to interpretation, "respect" in particular is a semantic trap-door similar to how tolerance has been abused by the intolerant.
This is one of the most tragically ironic statements I've ever read.
love and respect. as long as you say and do things i agree with.
saying "we have to shun everyone who even remotely associate with people who have said things I disagree with" are acting just as bigoted as those they're attacking.
i ridiculed his delivery. not his content. you guys are so keen to seperate everyone into us vs them. you've got no idea who i am. i'm very closely aligned politically to ian. i was just saying i found it weird that on camera he says: "its a huge, heavy issue that like - also, like, we're like, four white, yaknow... men... more or less... and its like, yeh. its like. we're easy allies. ahh, ya know. male presenting individuals. more or less... and like. ya know. whats, what are we gonna say? besides we support, we support victims." then on twitter he's capable of:
you guys need to fucking chill. i said i dont think politics should be brought up because of how BOTH sides react.
i also said i dont want colin on the show. but thats conveniently ignored just because i have an issue with people labelling him a racist, sexist, transphobe.
you guys are doing more harm than good when you attack people and shut down discussion because of your political beliefs. i'm left wing ffs and i wouldnt want to be associated with you guys. how are people that are centrist going to react?
I didn't intend to defend Colin, I don't think I did. I'm defending the allies/Brandon's decision to consider talking to the guy. From my perspective this couldn't have less to do with Colin
Clearly this whole thing was a misunderstanding on my part. I can't provide specific examples, imo it has been pervasive for the last several pages. There's no accounting for tone on the internet so I take the blame, strike my posts from the record, I'd rescind my comments.
i ridiculed his delivery. not his content. you guys are so keen to seperate everyone into us vs them. you've got no idea who i am. i'm very closely aligned politically to ian. i was just saying i found it weird that on camera he says: "its a huge, heavy issue that like - also, like, we're like, four white, yaknow... men... more or less... and its like, yeh. its like. we're easy allies. ahh, ya know. male presenting individuals. more or less... and like. ya know. whats, what are we gonna say? besides we support, we support victims." then on twitter he's capable of:
you guys need to fucking chill. i said i dont think politics should be brought up because of how BOTH sides react.
i also said i dont want colin on the show. but thats conveniently ignored just because i have an issue with people labelling him a racist, sexist, transphobe.
you guys are doing more harm than good when you attack people and shut down discussion because of your political beliefs. i'm left wing ffs and i wouldnt want to be associated with you guys. how are people that are centrist going to react?
Reminder for the new page that Colin is so toxic that ERA closed his Patreon thread and stated that Colin threads are not welcome and will not have a platform here.
Oooo!! You are going to have a fun time!I'm starting Yakuza Kiwami after I finish setting up the Christmas tree.
In the most charitable reading of Colin Moriarty's public persona, he is not a racist and sexist person, but a person whose ignorance, ego and hubris have led him to depend on the support of racists and sexists to support his brand. This brand promotes offensiveness for offensiveness' sake, uses trolling as debate tactic, mistakes lack of empathy for a virtue and is incompatible with L&R.
In my ideal world, EZA wouldn't talk about race, gender, sexual harassment, religion, politics, gamergate, neogaf, and whatever else.
I am sure they already get the message as far as I can see from some of their twitter posts.If some of you guys are upset with Colin getting a platform on EZA then let your voices be heard. EZA is a business. It'll respond to the interests of a community accordingly. In fact, the whole reason Brandon probably wants to do a collab with Colin is likely due to increased exposure, so it's bussiness driven either way.
Ultimately I think EZA are very receptive to the emotions of their community, and I'm confident EZA will make the kind of decisions that supporters like us would be proud of.
It's nice to want things to be a certain way, but sometimes you have to face reality.I came to EZA because there was none of this poo internet drama. All about the love of video games and friends hanging out. No baggage.
So true, TheDarkKnight!Finished up the latest podcast driving home from thanksgiving dinner. I love the whole crew but once again that podcast highlights why I'm such a big fan of Ben. Consistently thoughtful and eloquent discussion points put forward by Ben. And not just that but maintains the passion to go along with it. Great stuff
Then you should face the reality that Jones wants to do something with Colin. :)It's nice to want things to be a certain way, but sometimes you have to face reality.
Isn't that what everyone has been doing? Because that is a reality Jones asked for opinions everyone provided. What's the purpose of this statement? Are you implying people haven't faced that reality? When I look at all the post that doesn't seem to be the case nobody has put blinders on and ignored this. Well except people that close their eyes to all the shitty things Colin has done I guess.Then you should face the reality that Jones wants to do something with Colin. :)
I am? I'm not gonna chuck a tantrum if Jones does, he is his own person, but I can still provide feedback on why I don't think he should. Insisting the Allies not talk about 'poo internet drama' is unfair and supports ignorance.Then you should face the reality that Jones wants to do something with Colin. :)
It's such a good deal for us, I'd honestly go for it. I don't think we'll get that kind of discount again for a while.Trying to reason with myself of not picking up a Switch for $400AU and buying Mario.....dear god I want it.