Awesome. Lol. Some movies take themselves too serious. These movies are just fun. Now part three went overboard like Star Wars prequels though, even though I enjoy them both also. Just to a way lesser extent.
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Man, The train Scene in Spider man 2 is still unmatch
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Corny camp is 60s Batman. Yes, SM2 has elements of camp due to being influenced by classic Spider-Man and Raimi's directorial quirks (ie the Evil Dead/horror movie-inspired hospital scene), but to say the movie is just corny camp or that is what defines the action and story dismisses the cohesive thematic and narrative construction of the film, the dynamic and excellently-paced action direction, and the emotional human focus of the storytelling and character development
There's layers to this, you know it. You keep say we're being obtuse and shit but you're not really arguing anything and vehemently saying you're right to the point where you tell us to see a doctor.
I mean I know it's the main reason I'm not a fan of the raimi movies. Mostly especially tobey and dunst.
You must think TWS is the equivalent of The Godfather or something when it comes to pop culture impact and memorable dialogue.
Note: it isn't.
People use corny with these movies nowawadays, but I choose a different word: sincere.
Many super hero movies today have an air of self awareness that's hard to shake for me. It's either an obvious omage to the comics / cannon as fan service, random quips, over the top action that doesn't carry emotional weight, or rushed character development.
Raimi's films feel sincere because they represent a more singular voice, one that embraces the camp of the source material and its medium. It is not a product of a studio's research and strategy teams (until the third movie came along).
Many super hero movies today have an air of self awareness that's hard to shake for me. It's either an obvious omage to the comics / cannon as fan service, random quips, over the top action that doesn't carry emotional weight, or rushed character development.
Raimi's films feel sincere because they represent a more singular voice, one that embraces the camp of the source material and its medium. It is not a product of a studio's research and strategy teams (until the third movie came along).
It's very much 100% Raimi's movie. You can't confuse it with any other director. It's funny; I don't like his style in his horror movies but I really like it in Spider-man 1 and 2
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That's one hell of a leap you made. Based on, well, nothing.
It's like there can't possibly be a chasm between "universally praised, pretty damn great film's big set piece" and one of the greatest movies ever made.
What a fucking moron lmfao thank you for revealing yourself so swiftly.
You're the one not just assuming everyone knows the umpteenth Mahvel movie forwards and backwards, but seemingly demanding that everyone should.
But no, I'm the moron.
Still my favorite Spidey story in any medium by far.
Actually, my personal ranking:
1) Spider-Man 2
2) Spider-Man and the Human Torch by Slott
3) Amazing Annual... 10? I think it's 10. The one with Peter's parents and the Red Skull.
4) Amazing #400
5) ... Uh. I got nothing.
Also, that Winter Soldier debate is fun. I liked the movie the one time I saw it but I kinda zoned out during the climactic battle.
Actually, my personal ranking:
1) Spider-Man 2
2) Spider-Man and the Human Torch by Slott
3) Amazing Annual... 10? I think it's 10. The one with Peter's parents and the Red Skull.
4) Amazing #400
5) ... Uh. I got nothing.
Also, that Winter Soldier debate is fun. I liked the movie the one time I saw it but I kinda zoned out during the climactic battle.
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Yep, I agree.I re-watched the Spidey 1 and 2 recently and they aged really well.
No, man, just no!
You should watch guardians of the galaxy 1 and 2 and come back.
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Looks at the post you made in this thread
Maybe you are the weirdo man.
Spider-Man 2 is great but it's definitely aged and a bit hokey now. Plus what's up with Raimi filling that bank scene with screaming women (most of which are attractive) multiple times there?
TWS is the best comic book movie and has as much, if not more, than Spider-Man 2 does. Steve being reunited with Peggy only for her to have Alzheimer's is heartbreaking, and at the end when Steve would rather let his friend kill him than betray the last person that he knew from his original life has weight to it.
TWS is the best comic book movie and has as much, if not more, than Spider-Man 2 does. Steve being reunited with Peggy only for her to have Alzheimer's is heartbreaking, and at the end when Steve would rather let his friend kill him than betray the last person that he knew from his original life has weight to it.
To me the corniness is what makes those movies so special. Not all movies need to be perfectly lit in the realm of reason and wit. I love the Burton Batman films for the same reason. There's something thematic and true about putting the oomph of the comic books into a film like that. Yes it can get really cheesy but that's kind of part of the deal.
I used to think it was a great costume but after Homecoming and even the PS4 game the suit is actually one of the worst parts of the movies to me. It just seems so stiff, the eyes are expressionless, and it makes no sense how Peter made something so elaborate on his own in a short time.
I'd one up TWS which is great with gotg 1 and 2. "We are groot" is one of the most beautiful scenes in a comic book movie.
I should have been more descriptive, I meant corny as a negative. Of course they are, but that's part of their charm. They come from the heart. It's why Captain America is the best MCU character, he comes the closest to evoking that same sense of sincere heroism.
I recently rewatched the movie and damn, does it hold up really well, especially the train battle. It's such a tightly choreographed fight, and the end of it still gets me choked up.
Corny is a bad word to describe these movies, since it has negative connotations which imply it's outdated and/or the exaggeratedness wasn't the intent of the filmmakers. Which it was.
Sigh.
Did you think, all of those years ago, that he was pulling his punches? No. No one did. And don't lie and say you did. Because he wasn't. It's just one of those Hollywood / TV things where the viewer is either not supposed to notice, or can suspend their disbelief.
A comic comes out almost fourteen years later and suggests that all of this time Peter was pulling his punches and we're supposed to just apply this to the movies as well? Or anything?
No offense but I feel like I am having to explain something incredibly basic to a child.
Yeah but Peter washed his spider suit on hot with his whites.
Lol what a dummy.
Seriously the entire universe is telling him that being Spider-Man fucks up his life. He gets shit on constantly. And in spite of that he still goes back to being the hero.
Lol what a dummy.
Seriously the entire universe is telling him that being Spider-Man fucks up his life. He gets shit on constantly. And in spite of that he still goes back to being the hero.
The Amazing Spider-Man Vol. 1, issue #8, 1963. Flash Thompson threatens to beat Peters ass after school, but a teacher suggests they take the fight to the gym boxing ring instead. Peter is well aware that Flash's head would explode if he hit him full strength. Sam Raimi knew this and apparently took for granted that people in the audience could put it together without him having to spell it out like a children's book from the 60's. It's always been a part of his character.
You gonna stop now or nah?
You know another thing I love about Raimi's movies?
Text, text of anything. Text of newspapers, text of opera tickets. Anything like that. He emphasizes them so simple to convey information rather than to make a physical object within the world.
A lesser director would show a scribbled note pad for 30 seconds that is hard to read.
Directors like Fincher and Raimi understand that conveying information takes precedence over trying to appear grounded.
(those are just the 2 directors I mentioned)
Text, text of anything. Text of newspapers, text of opera tickets. Anything like that. He emphasizes them so simple to convey information rather than to make a physical object within the world.
A lesser director would show a scribbled note pad for 30 seconds that is hard to read.
Directors like Fincher and Raimi understand that conveying information takes precedence over trying to appear grounded.
(those are just the 2 directors I mentioned)
Just to piggy-back on this, it was also implied in the first movie that he (at first) didn't know how to control his strength during the scene where he takes out Flash with one punch.
The Amazing Spider-Man Vol. 1, issue #8, 1963. Flash Thompson threatens to beat Peters ass after school, but a teacher suggests they take the fight to the gym boxing ring instead. Peter is well aware that Flash's head would explode if he hit him full strength. Sam Raimi knew this and apparently took for granted that people in the audience could put it together without him having to spell it out like a children's book from the 60's. It's always been a part of his character.
You gonna stop now or nah?
Uncle Ben reads him the riot act and, despite the fact that truthfully Pete didn't start the fight, Ben chimes in with "well you damn sure finished it."
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Please don't make me laugh
Tobey McGuire mostly looks confused and lost in these movies
Whatever scene he is in he is the least interesting actor in the scene
With all these DC elseworld stories, if Nolan ever comes back, I could see them giving him back Batman. Maybe even do Batman Beyond. Better yet, Nolan as producer, and Denis Villeneuve directing.
This scene is still great.
No, comic books are SRS BZNZ. Especially superhero ones.
The only thing I didn't like about that scene was the flip. It felt like way too much.
Tiny shot is better than pretty much anything in Marvel Studio's bores. Compare this to the that climax with exploding drones in Far From Home.I need another Raimi superhero movie! The guy can direct.
Imagine if marvel studios let all their movies get as creative or interesting as far from home's mysterio virtual reality sequences.
People claiming a film from TWO THOUSAND AND FOUR, a movie that came out fifteen years ago, has outdated CGI, please point one single film from that era that doesn't have outdated CGI, one single example......
Id heard the Raimi movies dont hold up but I rewatched that whole sequence and aside from the special effects being approptiately early/mid-2000's, that was still as riveting as I remember it being 15 years ago.
Kinda funny seeing Joey Diaz and 30 year old Tobey being "just a kid", but still, it's a great scene.
Kinda funny seeing Joey Diaz and 30 year old Tobey being "just a kid", but still, it's a great scene.