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Easy Allies |OT| The New Era
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I believe EZA's dedication to keeping their Twitch streams and at least the main podcast a politics and conflict free zone is borne out of a honest desire to provide a space of refuge and distraction. Remember election night 2016 when they challenged themselves and us to take a break and not think or talk about what's going on outside while they played Mario 3D World for two hours and Ian checked his phone in anguish? Yet as you say, "It's important to preserve games as entertainment and means of escapism" risks sounding like "I just want to play games, man" in these times.
I think, on our part, we have to be mindful about reading maybe more into "Love & Respect" than was intended. At its most simple the motto is a call to be chill and play nice. I want it to mean more and like you I hope the Allies comes right out and restate their definition of L&R whenever the situation calls for it. In the meantime there's as always a danger in leaving things open to interpretation, "respect" in particular is a semantic trap-door similar to how tolerance has been abused by the intolerant.
I... really want to get a PS4 Pro. Even though I only have a 1080p TV, am not planning to get a 4K TV, and really only play a handful of games regularly. I am an idiot.
Its surprisingly hard to watch the internet enjoying the Nintendo Switch so much and knowing there's simply no way I'll be able to get one for like another year :( as Huber would say I'm missing the zeitgeist
Student life suuuuuucks
This is one of the most tragically ironic statements I've ever read.
Don't man. Honestly. I have a Pro, it's great. But it was a complete impulse purchase like you're thinking. And I'd rather have the couple hundred dollars.
At this point, save it up for the PS5.
love and respect. as long as you say and do things i agree with.
When those "things I agree with" fall under the category of basic human decency, yes.
I respect Colin as much as I do anyone, and he's free to do whatever he pleases. But I reserve the right to not be a part of any community that embraces him. Tolerating intolerance only strengthens intolerance.
If Monster Hunter World is a vastly superior experience on the Pro, I might buy one ahead of schedule. It would have to be a night & day difference though.
This is coming from the person who was ridiculing Ian the other day for bringing up 'politics' (even though he wasn't the person to bring it up or discuss it at length). Stay transparent.
Had to leave the Facebook and Discord groups, going to stick to here and the forum.
Shame as I had some good times on there in the past and the community has always been so friendly and positive. But recent events have shown me that there are definitely quite a few toxic folks that are a part of the EZA community so I had to take my leave.
Think that's the 3rd or 4th FB group I've had to leave this year due to toxicity :'(
Shame as I had some good times on there in the past and the community has always been so friendly and positive. But recent events have shown me that there are definitely quite a few toxic folks that are a part of the EZA community so I had to take my leave.
Think that's the 3rd or 4th FB group I've had to leave this year due to toxicity :'(
To quote from the article talking about this:
Lots of people in both EZA community and Colin's are doing shitty things right now and using the other's actions as evidence to justify their own shittiness. This is the first I've ever heard of Colin Moriarty but the brigade of people essentially saying "we have to shun everyone who even remotely associate with people who have said things I disagree with" are acting just as bigoted as those they're attacking. I don't know enough to have a judgement on Colin, but saying that Brandon shouldn't even associate with this person is absurd, regardless of that person's actions.
Lots of people in both EZA community and Colin's are doing shitty things right now and using the other's actions as evidence to justify their own shittiness. This is the first I've ever heard of Colin Moriarty but the brigade of people essentially saying "we have to shun everyone who even remotely associate with people who have said things I disagree with" are acting just as bigoted as those they're attacking. I don't know enough to have a judgement on Colin, but saying that Brandon shouldn't even associate with this person is absurd, regardless of that person's actions.
Really? You're essentially saying that you don't know enough about the situation yet you're making a judgment on those of us who feel that we do and do not want to associate with Colin at all?
Not at all, I'm saying that calling Brandon and the Allies as people who 'condone' awful things because they're talking to someone who allegedly does is imo an over the top reaction. Judge Colin for his actions, and feel free not to support the allies if they want to associate with them. But saying that the allies are "just as bad" for doing so is too much.
Who said the allies are just as bad as Colin, or that they're condoning his actions?
Those that call out intolerance are the ones that are actually intolerant?
You don't know enough about Colin to pass judgement on him yet you pass it on the EZA community?
The Colin Moriarty defenders are out in full force.
I think nobody is doing that though. I've yet to read someone say they would become just as bad as Colin just by interacting with him. Any source?
I would agree and argue anyone that thinks like this it being a ridiculous notion. All people are saying it reflects back(the same way it reflect back on Colin when a part of his fans harass others something that is no normal when many other people with followings don't have that problem) if they choose to welcome someone like that and the way it reflects back might be reason for them to no want to support them financially anymore. That doesn't make them as bad as Colin far from it.
I feel like most people have just expressed disappointment and their wish for Brandon to not collaborate with them. Please post specific examples of people saying that the Allies are "just as bad." Thanks.
I feel it is important that you are specific in this case. Or it will come over that you're equating actions that are no equal in the least. Can you point to specific thing people said that you take issue with?
I haven't seen a single post stating that, let alone enough to make it the general vibe or response. I don't think it's unreasonable for people to ask you for examples if you make an outlandish statement like that, especially if it's misrepresenting the sentiments of the community here.
i ridiculed his delivery. not his content. you guys are so keen to seperate everyone into us vs them. you've got no idea who i am. i'm very closely aligned politically to ian. i was just saying i found it weird that on camera he says: "its a huge, heavy issue that like - also, like, we're like, four white, yaknow... men... more or less... and its like, yeh. its like. we're easy allies. ahh, ya know. male presenting individuals. more or less... and like. ya know. whats, what are we gonna say? besides we support, we support victims." then on twitter he's capable of:
you guys need to fucking chill. i said i dont think politics should be brought up because of how BOTH sides react.
i also said i dont want colin on the show. but thats conveniently ignored just because i have an issue with people labelling him a racist, sexist, transphobe.
you guys are doing more harm than good when you attack people and shut down discussion because of your political beliefs. i'm left wing ffs and i wouldnt want to be associated with you guys. how are people that are centrist going to react?
Case in point:
Love & Respect motto is put on hiatus. We're bringing back WELL YOU'RE THE ONE WHO STARTED THIS CONVERSATION!!
There's been almost ten pages discussing Colin and his actions (with links provided). You didn't take the time to look through those, but the biased article you read through.
At a certain point of random people dropping in just to defend Colin Moriarty it becomes a little suspect.
Random posters dropping in to share their views isn't the problem. It's when they ignore Ian's/the community's harassment at the hands of Colin's followers, when they ignore Colin taking a screenshot and putting an individual from the community on blast to his followers.
The failure of acknowledging these things while immediately jumping to defend Colin is what is so questionable.
At a certain point of random people dropping in just to defend Colin Moriarty it becomes a little suspect.
Random posters dropping in to share their views isn't the problem. It's when they ignore Ian's/the community's harassment at the hands of Colin's followers, when they ignore Colin taking a screenshot and putting an individual from the community on blast to his followers.
The failure of acknowledging these things while immediately jumping to defend Colin is what is so questionable.
i ridiculed his delivery. not his content. you guys are so keen to seperate everyone into us vs them. you've got no idea who i am. i'm very closely aligned politically to ian. i was just saying i found it weird that on camera he says: "its a huge, heavy issue that like - also, like, we're like, four white, yaknow... men... more or less... and its like, yeh. its like. we're easy allies. ahh, ya know. male presenting individuals. more or less... and like. ya know. whats, what are we gonna say? besides we support, we support victims." then on twitter he's capable of:
you guys need to fucking chill. i said i dont think politics should be brought up because of how BOTH sides react.
i also said i dont want colin on the show. but thats conveniently ignored just because i have an issue with people labelling him a racist, sexist, transphobe.
you guys are doing more harm than good when you attack people and shut down discussion because of your political beliefs. i'm left wing ffs and i wouldnt want to be associated with you guys. how are people that are centrist going to react?
Just because you preface your post with 'I love Ian', that doesn't mean you weren't ridiculing him and assigning blame to him where it wasn't accurate or fair. You also avoided responding to posts that pointed out that Ian was not the person to bring up the 'politics' that episode, or the ally who spoke on the topic the most. In fact he was coming from the same angle as Kyle and just assuring the victims that even if they don't discuss these topics in the podcast, they still support them. Suggesting that Ian brings the hate he gets on to himself for being a 'SJW feminazi' and all sorts of other homophobic and bigoted slurs I won't repeat is incredibly ignorant. It's obvious why he's such a target for these people.
It's very telling that you never once spoke out about the things that Colin or his fans have done throughout this ordeal, but instead made drive by posts like the one I quoted. I never made any 'us vs them' statements. I'm calling you out on your posts in this thread. Please don't deflect responsibility for your posts with cop-outs like these.
I didn't intend to defend Colin, I don't think I did. I'm defending the allies/Brandon's decision to consider talking to the guy. From my perspective this couldn't have less to do with Colin
Clearly this whole thing was a misunderstanding on my part. I can't provide specific examples, imo it has been pervasive for the last several pages. There's no accounting for tone on the internet so I take the blame, strike my posts from the record, I'd rescind my comments.
Clearly this whole thing was a misunderstanding on my part. I can't provide specific examples, imo it has been pervasive for the last several pages. There's no accounting for tone on the internet so I take the blame, strike my posts from the record, I'd rescind my comments.
It's not really a guilt by association thing, as no one has a problem with Brandon being friends Colin. He could be a super nice guy in real life, at least to Brandon. It's about giving a platform to someone who we feel propagates hateful and spiteful behaviour, and alienates a big part of the audience. Of course we can't control the allies. They are their own people, and we are supporting them voluntarily. Brandon did ask for feedback, though. He said that if the audience really hates the idea of something, he wants to hear that kind of feedback. That's all you're seeing. Of course a lot of people might not feel comfortable supporting them if they do bring Colin onto EZA shows, but I would like to think that they will do so without tantrums, but respectfully. I know that's what I would do. No matter what, I believe that all of the allies are good people. If I ever stop supporting them, it will simply be because they are going in a direction that I don't feel comfortable supporting.
i ridiculed his delivery. not his content. you guys are so keen to seperate everyone into us vs them. you've got no idea who i am. i'm very closely aligned politically to ian. i was just saying i found it weird that on camera he says: "its a huge, heavy issue that like - also, like, we're like, four white, yaknow... men... more or less... and its like, yeh. its like. we're easy allies. ahh, ya know. male presenting individuals. more or less... and like. ya know. whats, what are we gonna say? besides we support, we support victims." then on twitter he's capable of:
you guys need to fucking chill. i said i dont think politics should be brought up because of how BOTH sides react.
i also said i dont want colin on the show. but thats conveniently ignored just because i have an issue with people labelling him a racist, sexist, transphobe.
you guys are doing more harm than good when you attack people and shut down discussion because of your political beliefs. i'm left wing ffs and i wouldnt want to be associated with you guys. how are people that are centrist going to react?
Quite frankly, no one gives a shit about centrists who are trying to be moderates about some of these issues. So I doubt people here care how centrists react, I certainly don't.
And yes, we know you have an issue with people labeling him a racist and a sexist despite multiple examples being brought up about those very things that you've failed to address.
Oh and both sides BS. How typical.
Yet we're still talking about it.
People like Colin need to be ignored and hopefully he'll go away again like he did the first time.
I'm starting Yakuza Kiwami after I finish setting up the Christmas tree.
*nod*
And that's definitely more charitable than Colin deserves. I don't have much else to add here.
Finished up the latest podcast driving home from thanksgiving dinner. I love the whole crew but once again that podcast highlights why I'm such a big fan of Ben. Consistently thoughtful and eloquent discussion points put forward by Ben. And not just that but maintains the passion to go along with it. Great stuff
If some of you guys are upset with Colin getting a platform on EZA then let your voices be heard. EZA is a business. It'll respond to the interests of a community accordingly. In fact, the whole reason Brandon probably wants to do a collab with Colin is likely due to increased exposure, so it's bussiness driven either way.
Ultimately I think EZA are very receptive to the emotions of their community, and I'm confident EZA will make the kind of decisions that supporters like us would be proud of.
Ultimately I think EZA are very receptive to the emotions of their community, and I'm confident EZA will make the kind of decisions that supporters like us would be proud of.
I came to EZA because there was none of this poo internet drama. All about the love of video games and friends hanging out. No baggage.
I am sure they already get the message as far as I can see from some of their twitter posts.
No need to keep dragging this on imo.
It's nice to want things to be a certain way, but sometimes you have to face reality.
So true, TheDarkKnight!
Ben has a way with words that most envy(including me). He puts so much thought in what he states and every question that he asks.
Then you should face the reality that Jones wants to do something with Colin. :)
Ben has developed into that most rare animal who can not only write as if he was speaking to people but also speak as if he was writing thoughts on paper.
You always know when Ben is about to hit you with some real shit. The way he starts his sentences like "the thing about _______ is...." I'm like oooooh yeah here we go.
Isn't that what everyone has been doing? Because that is a reality Jones asked for opinions everyone provided. What's the purpose of this statement? Are you implying people haven't faced that reality? When I look at all the post that doesn't seem to be the case nobody has put blinders on and ignored this. Well except people that close their eyes to all the shitty things Colin has done I guess.
Haha yea. The ben pause is when you know something good is coming out. He's good at waiting for the thoughts to form before moving forward. Then he can do great improv as shown in the Gundam streams, D&D and group streams.
I am? I'm not gonna chuck a tantrum if Jones does, he is his own person, but I can still provide feedback on why I don't think he should. Insisting the Allies not talk about 'poo internet drama' is unfair and supports ignorance.
It's such a good deal for us, I'd honestly go for it. I don't think we'll get that kind of discount again for a while.
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