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devenger

The Fallen
Oct 29, 2017
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They've had former fbi agents that did background checks say that time frames as little as 24 hours have been imposed on them to get it done. Said they can do a lot in a week.

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I believe this, no pessimism on whether they'll work their hardest or not. What the majority does with that...
 

Palette Swap

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
11,212
As long as you stay the hell away from the editorial stuff, maybe... (underlines added by me)


https://www.wsj.com/articles/confirm-brett-kavanaugh-1538089143


https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-politics-of-destruction-1537831889



Slight correction - two women. Heroes, both of them.


This one from their editorial board is my favorite :


The #MeToo Kavanaugh Ambush
A story this old and unprovable can't be allowed to delay a Supreme Court confirmation vote.


They would be letting Democrats get away with the same dirty trick they tried and failed to pull off against Clarence Thomas.

It would also be a serious injustice to a man who has by all accounts other than Ms. Ford's led a life of respect for women and the law. Every #MeToo miscreant is a repeat offender. The accusation against Mr. Kavanaugh is behavior manifested nowhere else in his life.

No one, including Donald Trump, needs to attack Ms. Ford. She believes what she believes. This is not he said-she said. This is a case of an alleged teenage encounter, partially recalled 30 years later without corroboration, and brought forward to ruin Mr. Kavanaugh's reputation for partisan purposes.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-metoo-kavanaugh-ambush-1537197395
 

Surfinn

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
28,590
USA
May have heard the worst take in a long time at work today while talking about this. Coworker was saying femenism was the worst thing to happen to the world. Because apparently women are better off staying at home because when mothers were forced into the workforce them not giving as much time to their kids was the leading cause of kids getting addicted to drugs and depression. Also that while they believe people like Cosby and Weinstein are sexual predators they shouldn't be charged because of lack of physical proof. Mind was fucking blown, also surprise this coworker was a woman of color.
Wow did you immediately go to sleep?
 

Tahnit

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Oct 25, 2017
9,965
Not really. The FBI didn't find any evidence to back up Anita Hill's claims either. Their report will basically say "Kavanaugh says this, Ford says this" and leave politicians to come to their own conclusions. This will not end in an indictment or some major revelation. Which is why I'm baffled democrats put all their chips on this move.

The FBI's report won't weigh on anyone's side, which benefits Kavanaugh. He's going to get confirmed after this. I simply don't understand why democrats want to continually bring up Anita Hill as if we didn't see how this movie plays out with the FBI in that case.

The only explanation is that it's a distraction tactic to waste time.

You are forgetting that all they have to do is prove he lied about not being at the party or other things to sink him.

Also judge is willing to talk to the FBI under confidentiality. I think he's gonna tell the real truth now.
 

GrooveCommand

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Oct 28, 2017
1,340
Only 25% of the population actively chose to vote for Clinton.

At least those people in 'bumfuck nowhere' got off their fucking asses and put pen to paper.

If you're so sick and tired, expend your energy convincing everyone who stayed home to vote next time instead if bitching about the electoral college.
This could have been prevented.

I live in an extremely liberal part of the country, getting more people to vote in my area would literally do nothing because of the electoral college. If you think me or anyone else is the problem with our government you need a serious reality check.
 

Serene

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Oct 25, 2017
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I don't know how anyone could confidently act like they know where this is going when no one was predicting it was ever going to get to this point in the first place.
 

DukeBlue

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Nov 6, 2017
1,502
If the FBI finds Kavanaugh ineligible for the seat, I would get a tremendous amount of joy from envisioning Kavanaugh crying that, for once in his rich white privileged life, he didn't get what he wanted
 

FunkyMonkey

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Oct 25, 2017
1,419
Getting tired of seeing this.

Stop policing how people feel.

calling out empty pessimistic shit-posting isn't policing. I'm not forcing anyone to post. you post it, own it

report me if calling people out is hurting feelings

edit: I'm not referring to people who are merely pessimistic, I'm referring to people posting one sentence of "100% yup he is getting confirmed, we're fucked" and then ghosting the thread. suddenly many of them aren't back to further divulge and correct their claim (surprise) . it's shit posting and it muddies the thread for others who come in quickly to check the news and confuses them
 
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RDreamer

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If the FBI finds Kavanaugh ineligible for the seat, I would get a tremendous amount of joy from envisioning Kavanaugh crying that, for once in his rich white privileged life, he didn't get what he wanted

That's not a thing the FBI does.

They'll investigate things and create a report. Ultimately it's the Senate that finds him ineligible or not.
 

Cybit

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Oct 25, 2017
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I investigate for a living, you shouldn't be so presumptuous.

You investigate computers. You don't investigate actual human beings. You're comparing the fact you're a tech support guy to a FBI investigator and assuming investigating a network with a faulty router is the same as the most powerful police agency in the country investigating a human for an investigation that they literally know the names of everyone involved and where they live and already have almost all of the relevant documents for.

EDIT: The same force that did a similar investigation with no time limit of a similar case involving the same position with significantly worse technology and did it in 3 days.
 

Shoeless

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Oct 27, 2017
7,000
I wonder if the request Judge made for "confidentiality" is just his sideways attempt to ask for immunity due to crucial testimony, in the event that charges are pressed.
 

ak1287

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Oct 28, 2017
1,935
Uh yeah no, that's not how a thorough investigation works.

Sure, they will find things out. But you can't say it's thorough.
It's not going to be slapped together and garbage either. A lot of the groundwork has already been laid out, a lot of the formative and perfunctory elements have been established.

If this were an actual CI, I'd say yeah, a week limit would be insufficient. As a supplement to existing record, or even as a correction to existing record, it's not a horrendous miscarriage.
 

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I'm glad someone else called out the WSJ for being a complete sham masquerading as centrist status quo shitheels
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I live in an extremely liberal part of the country, getting more people to vote in my area would literally do nothing because of the electoral college. If you think me or anyone else is the problem with our government you need a serious reality check.

So what is it you expect to accomplish with your persistent negative Nancy attitude other then carrying the water for those you "apparently" hate?

Because it's crystal clear which side your rhetoric is actually helping:

It's not the side your claiming to support.
 
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You investigate computers. You don't investigate actual human beings. You're comparing the fact you're a tech support guy to a FBI investigator and assuming investigating a network with a faulty router is the same as the most powerful police agency in the country investigating a human for an investigation that they literally know the names of everyone involved and where they live and already have almost all of the relevant documents for.

EDIT: The same force that did a similar investigation with no time limit of a similar case involving the same position with significantly worse technology and did it in 3 days.

Groove is TECH SUPPORT??? LOL
 

Cybit

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Oct 25, 2017
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Groove is TECH SUPPORT??? LOL

Relevant Quote

Yes, I investigate problems with computers and networking devices. Our customers constantly ask for specific timelines as to when we will have a root cause analysis for them, we always have to tell them we can't do that because it's impossible to know how long any one investigation will take. Some of them take 5 minutes, others take months or years even.
 

GrooveCommand

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Oct 28, 2017
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You investigate computers. You don't investigate actual human beings. You're comparing the fact you're a tech support guy to a FBI investigator and assuming investigating a network with a faulty router is the same as the most powerful police agency in the country investigating a human for an investigation that they literally know the names of everyone involved and where they live and already have almost all of the relevant documents for.

EDIT: The same force that did a similar investigation with no time limit of a similar case involving the same position with significantly worse technology and did it in 3 days.

It doesn't matter what you're investigating. You can't impose an arbitrary timeline on any investigation of any kind and have it be thorough.

It's always possible that they could do a thorough investigation in a single week, but the reality is that the investigation should take as long as it has to.
 

Jiraiya

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Oct 27, 2017
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Groove is technically correct...whether they do computers or not. That still doesn't mean the FBI can't find what they need in a week.
 
Oct 31, 2017
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Well there goes your relevance there, doesn't it?

You're tech support, not a fucking private eye or FBI.

Are you trolling, man?

Well now I need to know from #ak1287 what kind of "investigating" he/she did for a living.
 

Chie Satonaka

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Oct 25, 2017
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calling out empty pessimistic shit-posting isn't policing. I'm not forcing anyone to post. you post it, own it

report me if calling people out is hurting feelings

edit: I'm not referring to people who are merely pessimistic, I'm referring to people posting one sentence of "100% yup he is getting confirmed, we're fucked" and then ghosting the thread. suddenly many of them aren't back to further divulge and correct their claim (surprise) . it's shit posting and it muddies the thread for others who come in quickly to check the news and confuses them

I was about to go in on this, and then I saw the edit.

That's totally fair and I agree.
 

ak1287

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Oct 28, 2017
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I mean, just because Groove is in tech doesn't mean he's not an investigator. He is, and I'm sure he's good at it, probably better than I am.

But the process here is so different it can't be compared as a 1:1 analog.
 

GrooveCommand

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Oct 28, 2017
1,340
Well there goes your relevance there, doesn't it?

You're tech support, not a fucking private eye or FBI.

Are you trolling, man?

Well now I need to know from #ak1287 what kind of "investigating" he/she did for a living.

Yeah, no, I do a lot more than just 'tech support' so please don't downplay my profession.

An investigation is an investigation, regardless of the subject.
 

El Bombastico

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
36,048
Now people that are essentially Geek Squad Agents are comparing their work to the fucking FBI.

Goddamn, Liberal Defeatism is hilarious sometimes...

Yeah, no, I do a lot more than just 'tech support' so please don't downplay my profession.

An investigation is an investigation, regardless of the subject.

Yeah, because investigating whether or not old Mr. Jenkins got a virus on his Lenovo from too much internet porn is the same as investigating a man for rape.

Stop now before your really embarrass yourself.
 

FeistyBoots

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Oct 27, 2017
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You investigate computers. You don't investigate actual human beings. You're comparing the fact you're a tech support guy to a FBI investigator and assuming investigating a network with a faulty router is the same as the most powerful police agency in the country investigating a human for an investigation that they literally know the names of everyone involved and where they live and already have almost all of the relevant documents for.

EDIT: The same force that did a similar investigation with no time limit of a similar case involving the same position with significantly worse technology and did it in 3 days.

Did that poster really just try to compare being an IT professional to being a criminal investigator? Lolololol
 

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Not really. The FBI didn't find any evidence to back up Anita Hill's claims either. Their report will basically say "Kavanaugh says this, Ford says this" and leave politicians to come to their own conclusions. This will not end in an indictment or some major revelation. Which is why I'm baffled democrats put all their chips on this move.

The FBI's report won't weigh on anyone's side, which benefits Kavanaugh. He's going to get confirmed after this. I simply don't understand why democrats want to continually bring up Anita Hill as if we didn't see how this movie plays out with the FBI in that case.

The only explanation is that it's a distraction tactic to waste time.

This literally does not make sense.

It's not in the GOP's interest to "waste time", why would Flake hold up the floor vote to "waste time" for the GOP?
 

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I live in an extremely liberal part of the country, getting more people to vote in my area would literally do nothing because of the electoral college. If you think me or anyone else is the problem with our government you need a serious reality check.
The government is the problem, but I wouldn't say in the way you're seeing it. Sanders should have been the candidate. We all know it. If the Old Dem regime didn't force Clinton on the world, apathy wouldn't have been the response of so many. Voter turnout would have been higher, and some of the people that did vote for Trump wouldn't have.

My two cents.
 

Cybit

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Oct 25, 2017
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It doesn't matter what you're investigating. You can't impose an arbitrary timeline on any investigation of any kind and have it be thorough.

It's always possible that they could do a thorough investigation in a single week, but the reality is that the investigation should take as long as it has to.

I mean, I investigate fairly complicated plane system malfunctions / issues on a daily basis, which I'm going to guess is significantly more complicated than a network or a router (since those are literally just tiny parts of the shit I have to go through), and a week with the resources even I have at my disposal is a long ass time. Give me functionally unlimited resources and the fact it is a human being I get to talk to instead of some ridiculous fucking system? Yeah, I'm getting you damn well all the info (which is all they are tasked with doing) in a week.
 

Slime

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Oct 25, 2017
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Has there been any reporting on what kind of things these FBI background checks typically cover? I've seen a lot of people pinning their hopes on very specific things like catching him in a lie about the true meaning of "devil's triangle" and shit and I'm wondering if that's even the type of thing they'd pursue.
 
Oct 31, 2017
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Did that poster really just try to compare being an IT professional to being a criminal investigator? Lolololol

Yeah I can't wrap my head around it. If he works for the police, fair enough.

But he/she isn't making that distinction and that's a little important.

I am going to presume he fixes PCs for malware/bugs/performance until he states otherwise.
 

devenger

The Fallen
Oct 29, 2017
2,734
I was about to go in on this, and then I saw the edit.

That's totally fair and I agree.

Yep, Thank you monkey. I understand people choosing to be optimistic, and there have been a lot of changes no one saw coming.

Where I will admit to defeatism is whether there will be any action by Republicans against their own interests after the investigation. I do not know what will happen, but I don't expect the majority to do anything unless forced.

A week and an FBI investigation might yield the bombshell needed, I'm hopeful on that.
 

MechaX

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Oct 27, 2017
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I get home and I see that Trump actually ordered the investigation

like

without a fight or fuss

what in the fuck
 

Trey

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Oct 25, 2017
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You don't read conservative news sources? Gotta see what the other side is thinking and processing.

But most think it's a sham hearing. They believe Dr. Ford is a political pawn and so on. Lyndsey Graham's outburst is the reaction in the a nutshell.

That's what I figured, but I wanted to confirm you weren't speaking of something specific that I may have missed.
 

GrooveCommand

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Oct 28, 2017
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I mean, I investigate fairly complicated plane system malfunctions / issues on a daily basis, which I'm going to guess is significantly more complicated than a network or a router (since those are literally just tiny parts of the shit I have to go through), and a week with the resources even I have at my disposal is a long ass time. Give me functionally unlimited resources and the fact it is a human being I get to talk to instead of some ridiculous fucking system? Yeah, I'm getting you damn well all the info (which is all they are tasked with doing) in a week.

Yeah I don't just troubleshoot fucking linksys routers. I'm not going into more detail and I shouldn't have to.

I know for a fact that there are investigations where it's just not feasible to come to a thorough conclusion in a week. Sure you can gather some diagnostics and come up with analysis in a week, but a good chunk of the problems we solve take much longer than a week to resolve.

Again, I'm not saying you can't do some good fucking work in a weeks time. But the idea that you can conclude any investigation in a weeks time and come to a thorough and accurate conclusion is ludicrous.
 

smellyjelly

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Aug 2, 2018
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Yeah I can't wrap my head around it. If he works for the police, fair enough.

But he/she isn't making that distinction and that's a little important.

I am going to presume he fixes PCs for malware/bugs/performance until he states otherwise.

geek.jpg
 

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I live in an extremely liberal part of the country, getting more people to vote in my area would literally do nothing because of the electoral college. If you think me or anyone else is the problem with our government you need a serious reality check.

Nonsense. Even if it doesn't outright win you the election, getting more people to vote and surfacing situations where the electoral college is not voting with the American population even remotely would be a catalyst for change.
 

Version 3.0

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Oct 27, 2017
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Only 25% of the population actively chose to vote for Clinton.

At least those people in 'bumfuck nowhere' got off their fucking asses and put pen to paper.

If you're so sick and tired, expend your energy convincing everyone who stayed home to vote next time instead if bitching about the electoral college.
This could have been prevented.

25%...that's not correct. Turnout last election was almost 60% of eligible voters, more than half of which voted for Clinton. Significantly more people "got off their fucking asses" for Clinton than Trump. But some votes count more than others.

60% sucks, but for the US it's historically high. Also, there are considerable efforts in this country to prevent people from voting. Since the repeal of (most of) the Voting Rights Act, it's been a non-stop assault on voting rights and voting accessibility for minorities in particular.
 
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