'Star Wars' Chief Kathleen Kennedy's Lucasfilm Deal Extended for Three Years

BossAttack · Sep 28, 2018

Spyder_Monkey said:
You all need to stop this inane argument. You know what else wasn't planned? The original trilogy. Movies, especially movies in large franchises with different directors aren't just magically planned out ahead of time. That's not how it works.

Also all the movies since Disney took over the franchise have made more than what Disney originally paid for. If that's not a "Great" job I don't know what is.

And, it showed. Yes, people do expect progress from a trilogy made 30 years ago. Despite Lucas' ramblings he had no idea SW would be successful and he'd get to do a trilogy, Disney went into the Sequels knowing full well it would be a trilogy and decided to plan nothing.

Alexandros · Sep 28, 2018

Well, the movies were critically acclaimed and made money with the exception of Solo. Personal feelings about The Last Jedi aside, this makes sense.

Deleted member 5666 · Sep 28, 2018

WallSniper said:
Horrible news. Hope she picks her game up, because the last 3 years have been embarrassing for someone at that level. She has the golden goose and has managed to fuck around like it's a cabbage patch kid.

Having multiple box office and critically successes over that time period (yes including TLJ) is a weird way to define failure and fucking up.

Maneil99 · Sep 28, 2018

Haven't felt any star wars magic from any of the films or games. Lets hope she does better in the next 3 years.

entremet · Sep 28, 2018

She's doing a good job. Just ease off the side movies for a bit.

falcondoc · Sep 28, 2018

Dreadful news, star wars remains on life support

Deleted member 6730 · Sep 28, 2018

BossAttack said:
And, it showed. Yes, people do expect progress from a trilogy made 30 years ago. Despite Lucas' ramblings he had no idea SW would be successful and he'd get to do a trilogy, Disney went into the Sequels knowing full well it would be a trilogy and decided to plan nothing.

If you really think that's how it works, you're in for a rude awakening. Even Marvel doesn't have the intricate planning you probably think it does.

I mean for fucks sakes, they had a major actress die in the middle of all this. Sorry poor planning on their part.

Whompa · Sep 28, 2018

Good for her! Best thing for Star Wars in years.

falcondoc said:
Dreadful news, star wars remains on life support

Both sequels are among the best selling movies ever made. Inflation included. Keep dreaming.

Deleted member 5666 · Sep 28, 2018

Alexandros said:
Well, the movies were critically acclaimed and made money with the exception of Solo. Personal feelings about The Last Jedi aside, this makes sense.

You and I have had our TLJ battles but this is a great and reasoned post. Just because one didn't liked TLJ doesn't mean you have to convince yourself it was a failure to validate not liking it.

Trojita · Sep 28, 2018

Cheebo said:
If you want a detailed explanation why using adjusted for inflation box office numbers is pure nonsense and entirely inaccurate go ask kswis in the box office thread, he can explain better than anyone here.

kswiston

Mind coming in here and going over inflation? From what I remember the problem with comparing much older movies that made a ton of money (which is a much higher number now) like Gone with the Wind is that a movie like that one in particular was in movie theaters for 4 months. Is comparing a 1999 movie vs 2010 movies and adjusting for inflation unreasonable? Film budgets of course have creeped up beating inflation, but you can easily adjust for that.

Deleted member 5666 · Sep 28, 2018

Trojita said:
kswiston

Mind coming in here and going over inflation? From what I remember the problem with comparing much older movies that made a ton of money (which is a much higher number now) like Gone with the Wind is that a movie like that one in particular was in movie theaters for 4 months. Is comparing a 1999 movie vs 2010 movies and adjusting for inflation unreasonable? Film budgets of course have creeped up beating inflation, but you can easily adjust for that.

The box office is very very different today than it was in 1999. Not just ticket prices.

Just adjusting for inflation and trying to compare 1999 to 2018 doesn't work.

jman2050 · Sep 28, 2018

Oh are we going to go in circles again about how TLJ was obviously a huge misstep that ruined the franchise forever despite all evidence to the contrary?

Whompa · Sep 28, 2018

y'all wanna talk about inflation yet TFA is #10 money maker with inflation included...of all movies ever made...ever...

???

These movies make money, regardless of how you think of them. Stop being ridiculous. It's just a fact.

Alexandros · Sep 28, 2018

Cheebo said:
You and I have had our TLJ battles but this is a great and reasoned post. Just because one didn't liked TLJ doesn't mean you have to convince yourself it was a failure to validate not liking it.

Thank you.

Trojita · Sep 28, 2018

Whompa said:
y'all wanna talk about inflation yet TFA is #10 money maker with inflation included...of all movies ever made...ever...

???

These movies make money, regardless of how you think of them. Stop being ridiculous. It's just a fact.

Of course it made a ton of money

??????

ABK281 · Sep 28, 2018

Meh, the movies would probably suck with or without her. You can only milk a dead franchise so much.

Aly · Sep 28, 2018

Good to hear it!

kswiston · Sep 28, 2018

Trojita said:
kswiston

Mind coming in here and going over inflation? From what I remember the problem with comparing much older movies that made a ton of money (which is a much higher number now) like Gone with the Wind is that a movie like that one in particular was in movie theaters for 4 months. Is comparing a 1999 movie vs 2010 movies and adjusting for inflation unreasonable? Film budgets of course have creeped up beating inflation, but you can easily adjust for that.

Gone with the Wind took something closer to 15 years to make TFA cash adjusted. Of course, television wasn't widespread until around then (the 50s), and it took 40 years (late 70s/early 80s) for home video to be a common thing.

1999 to now isn't completely apples to apples, due to changes in distribution, but I have fewer issues with it versus the pre-modern era of cinema. The major changes are more blockbuster releases per year, much more frontloading towards opening weekends, and the current 3-4 month window to digital/bluray release leading to shorter theatrical runs. Something that plays out like Titanic is likely impossible now. It wouldn't be able to hold the marketshare for that buildup.

Trojita · Sep 28, 2018

kswiston said:
Gone with the Wind took something closer to 15 years to make TFA cash adjusted. Of course, television wasn't widespread until around then (the 50s), and it took 40 years (late 70s/early 80s) for home video to be a common thing.

1999 to now isn't completely apples to apples, due to changes in distribution, but I have fewer issues with it versus the pre-modern era of cinema. The major changes are more blockbuster releases per year, much more frontloading towards opening weekends, and the current 3-4 month window to digital/bluray release leading to shorter theatrical runs. Something that plays out like Titanic is likely impossible now. It wouldn't be able to hold the marketshare for that buildup.

How would you compare advertising between now and 1999? I have to assume Disney has way more advertising power than Lucasfilms ever had alone.

Still it is something that adjusted with inflation George Lucas made an utterly shit movie gross 1.5 billion dollars.

Eddie · Sep 28, 2018

3 years makes sense. If the movies continue to decline in the BO and reception she gets the boot.

You can't just let her go right now, the new series got off to a better foot than most could expect though recently things have been shaky you gotta try to let her right the ship. Time will tell.

TheGhost · Sep 28, 2018

Eddie said:
3 years makes sense. If the movies continue to decline in the BO and reception she gets the boot.

You can't just let her go right now, the new series got off to a better foot than most could expect though recently things have been shaky you gotta try to let her right the ship. Time will tell.

Keep her on for the last film and jump start the tv basically, let her finish what she started.

Kevers · Sep 28, 2018

Good, Rogue One is the only movie they've released that I didn't like so far.

kswiston · Sep 28, 2018

Trojita said:
How would you compare advertising between now and 1999? I have to assume Disney has way more advertising power than Lucasfilms ever had alone.

Still it is something that adjusted with inflation George Lucas made an utterly shit movie gross 1.5 billion dollars.

Taking in changing dollar values, and comparing films of the same period, TPM was the third biggest film of the 90s after Titanic and Jurassic Park, so yes, I guess.

Disney has more global reach, but in that case, Star Wars returning was spun as a cultural event. Hell, even the special edition re-release of ANH two years before was the equivalent of a 250M+ film now. People were hungry for Star Wars, and TPM was easily the most hyped release of that decade.

Plasma · Sep 28, 2018

Well deserved she's been doing a great job.

modoversus · Sep 28, 2018

Eddie said:
3 years makes sense. If the movies continue to decline in the BO and reception she gets the boot.

You can't just let her go right now, the new series got off to a better foot than most could expect though recently things have been shaky you gotta try to let her right the ship. Time will tell.

She is 65 and besides Solo all movies have done well at the box office and with the critics.

Deleted member 1120 · Sep 28, 2018

Eat it haters.

Deleted member 5666 · Sep 28, 2018

Trojita said:
How would you compare advertising between now and 1999? I have to assume Disney has way more advertising power than Lucasfilms ever had alone.

Still it is something that adjusted with inflation George Lucas made an utterly shit movie gross 1.5 billion dollars.

Lucasfilm didn't do the marketing alone. Fox distributed and marketed the film.

Eddie · Sep 28, 2018

modoversus said:
She is 65 and besides Solo all movies have done well at the box office and with the critics.

I mean Last Jedi showed a 300m decline from Force Awakens domestically alone. Then you got Solo that is by far the worst performing Star Wars film besides that animated movie.

So going from a combo of Force Awakens and Rogue to Last Jedi and Solo....that's a huge decline however you look at it .

Trojita · Sep 28, 2018

Cheebo said:
Lucasfilm didn't do the marketing alone. Fox distributed and marketed the film.

I was mistaken, I had thought they only distributed the home video release.

https://www.nytimes.com/1999/05/14/...-invading-resistance-futile.html?pagewanted=2

To help cool the overheated expectations, the advertising budget for ''The Phantom Menace'' is less than $20 million, not much for a film with a budget of $115 million competing in the blockbuster sweepstakes.

''You don't want to overdo it,'' said Mr. Roffman at Lucasfilm. ''The worst thing you can do is to create a plan based on your needs instead of the consumers'.''

WTF they only spent $20 million on advertising?

Braaier · Sep 28, 2018

Hey, after that turd of tlj she was smart enough to get jj back on board to right the ship. She's smart. Now she just needs to fire Johnson from the new trilogy and everything will be great.

kswiston · Sep 28, 2018

Trojita said:
I was mistaken, I had thought they only distributed the home video release.

https://www.nytimes.com/1999/05/14/...-invading-resistance-futile.html?pagewanted=2

WTF they only spent $20 million on advertising?

Probably domestic advertising. But TPM had a ton of product placement. Other people advertised for them.

HStallion · Sep 28, 2018

shira said:
China doesn't seem interested

And the movies still made a metric fuckton.

Trojita · Sep 28, 2018

kswiston said:
Probably domestic advertising. But TPM had a ton of product placement. Other people advertised for them.

Pepsi, Lego, Hasbro, and what was then Tricon.

Deleted member 8777 · Sep 28, 2018

why not try making a good star wars movie that isn't a fucking fan service pos? why turn star wars into marvel in the first place?

WillyFive · Sep 28, 2018

Slay Queen.

Despite the mistake of Solo existing; she has done a fantastic job with Star Wars so far.

Dekuman · Sep 28, 2018

I like Kennedy. More power to her

Eddie · Sep 28, 2018

Another thing to add to show the pretty hefty decline is video sales.

Force Awakens made 190 million off domestic video sales. Last Jedi did 84 which is identical to Rogue One.

WillyFive · Sep 28, 2018

She needs to have Lucasfilm do something that isn't Star Wars though. Bring back Indy.

Eddie said:
Another thing to add to show the pretty hefty decline is video sales.

Force Awakens made 190 million off domestic video sales. Last Jedi did 84 which is identical to Rogue One.

If it's identical to Rogue One, that shows that TFA was a spike, not that RO and TLJ are a decline.

Eddie · Sep 28, 2018

Rogue One was a one off movie that made 100m less domestically .

Sgt. Demblant · Sep 28, 2018

Good for her obviously but my take on this is that it kinda sucks that a producer with a resume like hers is gonna be stuck with Star Wars (and its mostly shit fanbase) for three more years. I'd rather see her move on, same with Rian Johnson, I don't want him to devote a decade of his career to Star Wars. But that's completely selfish of me of course, I understand that nobody is forcing them to do it at gunpoint and that they're making bank. Still, I just don't see this as exciting news but oh well.

Deleted member 8777 · Sep 28, 2018

Sgt. Demblant said:
Good for her obviously but my take on this is that it kinda sucks that a producer with a resume like hers is gonna be stuck with Star Wars (and its mostly shit fanbase) for three more years. I'd rather see her move on, same with Rian Johnson, I don't want him to devote a decade of his career to Star Wars. But that's completely selfish of me of course, I understand that nobody is forcing them to do it at gunpoint and that they're making bank. Still, I just don't see this as exciting news but oh well.

She has worked on 11 gazilion different movies in her career. I remember her name from the 80's.

WhiteRabbitEXE · Sep 28, 2018

WillyFive said:
She needs to have Lucasfilm do something that isn't Star Wars though. Bring back Indy.

They're literally working on Indy 5 right now.

Lifejumper · Sep 28, 2018

Neon Noir said:
why not try making a good star wars movie that isn't a fucking fan service pos? why turn star wars into marvel in the first place?

Would you call tlj a "fan service pos"?

modoversus · Sep 28, 2018

Eddie said:
I mean Last Jedi showed a 300m decline from Force Awakens domestically alone. Then you got Solo that is by far the worst performing Star Wars film besides that animated movie.

So going from a combo of Force Awakens and Rogue to Last Jedi and Solo....that's a huge decline however you look at it .

No, all star wars sequels drop off. Clones did less than Phantom, Empire made less than Hope...The difference is that TLJ still became one of top movies in domestic box office take in current history.

patientzero · Sep 28, 2018

Trojita said:
kswiston

Mind coming in here and going over inflation? From what I remember the problem with comparing much older movies that made a ton of money (which is a much higher number now) like Gone with the Wind is that a movie like that one in particular was in movie theaters for 4 months. Is comparing a 1999 movie vs 2010 movies and adjusting for inflation unreasonable? Film budgets of course have creeped up beating inflation, but you can easily adjust for that.

4 months?

Hell, look back to E.T. (1982), which was in theaters for an entire year on initial release -

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekend&id=et.htm

Or Jurassic Park (1994), another year of release -

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekend&id=jurassicpark.htm

Short theatrical runs are incredibly recent in the grand scheme of things.

Eddie said:
I mean Last Jedi showed a 300m decline from Force Awakens domestically alone. Then you got Solo that is by far the worst performing Star Wars film besides that animated movie.

Might wanna look at percentages.

The Last Jedi grossed 66.21% of The Force Awakens domestically.

Empire Strikes Back grosses 68.15% of A New Hope's domestic gross when only comparing their original releases, while Attack of the Clones netted 70.1% of Phantom Menace's initial domestic haul.

The series is remarkably consistent from entry to entry in trilogies.

MinerArcaniner · Sep 28, 2018

BossAttack said:
AHAHAHAHA, this is great for nothing more than the man-baby tears that will be shed. I expect at least 100 new YT videos about the death of Lucasfilm/Star Wars by SJWs.

These crybabies really thought they were going to oust her over TLJ and director shenanigans.

Good. I don't even like the new Star Wars movies and I'm glad that they didn't get their way. Those guys are a plague.

GAMEPROFF · Sep 28, 2018

Haha, suck it, Haters

Recluse · Sep 28, 2018

Don't care about Star Wars, but anything that sets off the manbabies is good.

xolsec · Sep 28, 2018

Lifejumper said:
Would you call tlj a "fan service pos"?

In would say it's the opposite, taking the franchise on a new direction.

DiipuSurotu · Sep 28, 2018

Sgt. Demblant said:
Good for her obviously but my take on this is that it kinda sucks that a producer with a resume like hers is gonna be stuck with Star Wars (and its mostly shit fanbase) for three more years. I'd rather see her move on, same with Rian Johnson, I don't want him to devote a decade of his career to Star Wars. But that's completely selfish of me of course, I understand that nobody is forcing them to do it at gunpoint and that they're making bank. Still, I just don't see this as exciting news but oh well.

She's not stuck on Star Wars. She's on the other Lucasfilm films too like Indiana Jones 5.

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