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KtotheRoc

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I don't think it's dumb to think this investigation will provide cover for Moderate Darlings to vote for Kavanaugh. But that doesn't mean it will go Kavanaugh's way either.
 

Sephzilla

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I kind of feel like the GOP might be setting up this investigation to be an excuse to pull the plug on Kavanaugh and save face
 

antonz

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I really do not think this was some 4D chess move or anything by flake etc. I think Flake got legit shook when he got confronted in that elevator earlier by those women who had been sexually assaulted in the past. Yu would have to be a complete shitheel of a human being to face that and not be impacted.
 

BAD

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That's precisely why Republicans want him there. The SC isn't impartial at all. They want a dog they have a leash on that will fight to make sure they retain power and rollback people's rights. Regardless of legality.

Yes, probably.
But it's almost amazing how far Republicans are currently going with this goal.
Even so far to have a woman tell of rape allegations and still say "Welp, don't care. We'll still vote him in." just to achieve this goal.
 

JealousKenny

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I know what they want, but there is no real reason for them to rush him in. They held the Supreme Court seat open for a year, when the candidate was much more credible and qualified than either of their nominees, and it didn't matter to them.

It didnt matter to them then because it wasnt their candidate. It matters to them now because they want these cases ruled in their favor immediately.
 

chubigans

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Oct 25, 2017
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How would it be any different than the other background investigations into Kavanaugh?
https://www.npr.org/2018/09/28/6525...make-if-the-fbi-were-to-investigate-kavanaugh

There are several reasons an FBI investigation would be different.

First, it's a crime to lie to the FBI. It's a crime to lie to Congress, too, but there is a practical difference between people in the Kavanaugh case issuing written statements about their versions of events and actually sitting down with human FBI special agents.

And second, because the FBI might hear from, and ask questions of, people who so far have only spoken out on paper. Special agents might talk in more detail with bystanders and witnesses and glean details from them that aren't yet in the public eye.

So although Grassley and Kavanaugh are correct that the FBI might serve only as a gold-plated transcription service in this case, the completeness of those transcripts might exceed the body of evidence that now exists — and it would be evidence obtained from witnesses who could be prosecuted if they lied to the feds.

That leads to the third important point in all the discussion about an FBI investigation: the politics. Democrats and outside groups want whatever evidence the Judiciary Committee or the Senate considers to have the imprimatur of the world's premier law enforcement agency.

An interview given to the FBI by Kavanaugh's boyhood friend Mark Judge, for example — whom Ford has accused of being a bystander to sexual assault — would have much greater political heft than the written statement he has released on his own.
 

Novel Mike

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I really do not think this was some 4D chess move or anything by flake etc. I think Flake got legit shook when he got confronted in that elevator earlier by those women who had been sexually assaulted in the past. Yu would have to be a complete shitheel of a human being to face that and not be impacted.
Yep 100% this. You could tell both during and after that confrontation that he was legit shook from the encounter. The woman who confronted him are heroes to me.
 

Curufinwe

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That's precisely why Republicans want him there. The SC isn't impartial at all.

That became super obvious in 2000 when the Republican appointees stole the election for Bush. The Supreme Court is just as political as the Senate.

The only reason this thread exists is that weasel Kennedy deciding to retire when Trump was in office. He'd still be there if Clinton had won the election.
 

DeathPeak

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Oct 27, 2017
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Flake reminded me of a torn up Hamlin from Better Call Saul.

So when do we expect the FBI to actually start investigating?
 
My dude, have you been watching the past two years? The GOP are monsters that give no fucks about anyone other than themselves and their circles.

Yes I did. But it's currently like their whole facade is falling. They are not even trying to hide it anymore. They are doing nothing against Trump and they do nothing against Kavanaugh, although they even made a victim talk about the allegations. They basically told this woman "Nice story, don't care".
 

Imperfected

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Nov 9, 2017
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The odds of the investigation not turning up anything are pretty slim.

The real question is whether Agent Jeffries leaves his office or just drags and drops everything that's already known into a folder labeled "EVIDENCE" and spends the week on the beach.
 

Luminish

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Oct 25, 2017
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Because the FBI will literally be talking to key witnesses and accusers for as long as a week?

This isn't difficult to wrap your head around.
And how difficult is it to believe that the investigation will be overly limited, or that just because the republicans and Kavanaugh didn't want an investigation doesn't mean it's certain an investigation will come back with something.
 

RiPPn

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so is Kavanaugh going to be confirmed or not? No vote today?
Today was never a confirmation vote, it was a vote to proceed. Flake voted yes to proceed with the stipulation that a 1 week fbi probe into these allegations. Only the white house can authorize this and just 10 minutes ago they did just that. So vote won't happen until the probe is complete.
 

Luminish

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I'm surprised Flake didn't fuck this up
a No kills his lobbying career
a Yes with no strings kills his political career

But those women stole his goddamn soul in that elevator and his sneaky ass found a way to look good and still keep all of his bullshit
 

Becks'

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I thought UK politics were funny but this, this is another level. There will be thousands of movies related to this administration.

I hope Flake doesn't flip, though.
 

Temascos

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Oct 27, 2017
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As I'm across the pond this doesn't affect me directly but I do hope this added pressure makes Kavanuagh drop out and someone else who's not as much of a scumbag gets the job instead. It's still a bit of a long shot and given that the investigation is only a week it may not amount to much but it's certainly better than nothing.

It only got to this point with pressure, this wouldn't have happened if everyone played along with Trump and GOP so well done. I'm holding out some hope this goes well :)
 

Jerm

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Oct 31, 2017
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What's a "limited" investigation vs a full investigation? Is this just terminology or is their a difference? I may be late but Trump just called for this according to NPR.
 

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And how difficult is it to believe that the investigation will be overly limited, or that just because the republicans and Kavanaugh didn't want an investigation doesn't mean it's certain an investigation will come back with something.

The entire play by Flake is if they shitcan the investigation then it's complete cover to vote down Kav on the floor for multiple Republicans.
 

julian

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Oct 27, 2017
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That's the difference between the senate investigation and fbi investigation which wasn't my question at all.

I'm talking about the FBI background investigations already done on kavanaugh. Like the one that made the Ford letter public in the first place because it was in the file on his FBI background investigation.

The Ford letter was given after the process had started and the initial background check was done. All the FBI did was add the letter and they were instructed not to investigate further. Now they might be instructed to investigate further. We shall see.
 

LukeOP

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So how fucked is Kavanaugh? He wasn't expecting an FBI investigation given yesterday's performance from him. Dude played himself. Never take Trump's advice.
 
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