How would it be any different than the other background investigations into Kavanaugh?
That's precisely why Republicans want him there. The SC isn't impartial at all. They want a dog they have a leash on that will fight to make sure they retain power and rollback people's rights. Regardless of legality.
I know what they want, but there is no real reason for them to rush him in. They held the Supreme Court seat open for a year, when the candidate was much more credible and qualified than either of their nominees, and it didn't matter to them.
But it's almost amazing how far Republicans are currently going with this goal.
https://www.npr.org/2018/09/28/6525...make-if-the-fbi-were-to-investigate-kavanaughHow would it be any different than the other background investigations into Kavanaugh?
There are several reasons an FBI investigation would be different.
First, it's a crime to lie to the FBI. It's a crime to lie to Congress, too, but there is a practical difference between people in the Kavanaugh case issuing written statements about their versions of events and actually sitting down with human FBI special agents.
And second, because the FBI might hear from, and ask questions of, people who so far have only spoken out on paper. Special agents might talk in more detail with bystanders and witnesses and glean details from them that aren't yet in the public eye.
So although Grassley and Kavanaugh are correct that the FBI might serve only as a gold-plated transcription service in this case, the completeness of those transcripts might exceed the body of evidence that now exists — and it would be evidence obtained from witnesses who could be prosecuted if they lied to the feds.
That leads to the third important point in all the discussion about an FBI investigation: the politics. Democrats and outside groups want whatever evidence the Judiciary Committee or the Senate considers to have the imprimatur of the world's premier law enforcement agency.
An interview given to the FBI by Kavanaugh's boyhood friend Mark Judge, for example — whom Ford has accused of being a bystander to sexual assault — would have much greater political heft than the written statement he has released on his own.
Yep 100% this. You could tell both during and after that confrontation that he was legit shook from the encounter. The woman who confronted him are heroes to me.I really do not think this was some 4D chess move or anything by flake etc. I think Flake got legit shook when he got confronted in that elevator earlier by those women who had been sexually assaulted in the past. Yu would have to be a complete shitheel of a human being to face that and not be impacted.
That's precisely why Republicans want him there. The SC isn't impartial at all.
My dude, have you been watching the past two years? The GOP are monsters that give no fucks about anyone other than themselves and their circles.
Flake reminded me of a torn up Hamlin from Better Call Saul.
So when do we expect the FBI to actually start investigating?
And how difficult is it to believe that the investigation will be overly limited, or that just because the republicans and Kavanaugh didn't want an investigation doesn't mean it's certain an investigation will come back with something.Because the FBI will literally be talking to key witnesses and accusers for as long as a week?
This isn't difficult to wrap your head around.
Today was never a confirmation vote, it was a vote to proceed. Flake voted yes to proceed with the stipulation that a 1 week fbi probe into these allegations. Only the white house can authorize this and just 10 minutes ago they did just that. So vote won't happen until the probe is complete.
Yep 100% this. You could tell both during and after that confrontation that he was legit shook from the encounter. The woman who confronted him are heroes to me.
For what it's worth, the betting markets have dropped Kavanaugh's confirmation chances to 26% and falling (they were at 50% yesterday).
That's the difference between the senate investigation and fbi investigation which wasn't my question at all.
Not this week.
It's kind of nuts to think they didn't do it earlier, let Kavanaugh go down with this and prop up another puppet if you're in such a rush.
So, that was my original point. Meaningful investigation.
And how difficult is it to believe that the investigation will be overly limited, or that just because the republicans and Kavanaugh didn't want an investigation doesn't mean it's certain an investigation will come back with something.
This is why I'm not letting myself get optimistic about the investigation:
That's the difference between the senate investigation and fbi investigation which wasn't my question at all.
I'm talking about the FBI background investigations already done on kavanaugh. Like the one that made the Ford letter public in the first place because it was in the file on his FBI background investigation.
The entire play by Flake is if they shitcan the investigation then it's complete cover to vote down Kav on the floor for multiple Republicans.