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Epic Games Says Fortnite's New Breast Physics Were 'Unintended, Embarrassing, Careless'
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You're completely ignoring the game doesn't, outside of damage bonus, actually acknowledge headshots in any way. There's no gibbing, blood, no head jerk, you're knocked down to your hands and knees and then teleported immediately out of the match.
Secondly, it's already been pointed out that most of the 'fuss' is from people that have to just let everyone know they like jiggly boobs and are now mad they're patched back out. The people in agreement with Epic taking it back out aren't anti-boob, as it's been pointed out 1) the animation is unrealistic 2) literally nothing else on characters, including hair and props, has physics, 3) there isn't even death ragdolls, so player bodies don't really have physics at a whole, which made it even more obvious arbitrarily added in as a laugh instead of being about Ethics in Boob Physics.
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Hello, it's me, Detective Gaki, FBI (federal breast inspector) and fully licensed tit haver. Let me just open this suitcase full of very good opinions:
- Am no animator but the breast jiggles actually look pretty close to right to me. People saying "oh she should be wearing a sports bra" like, I don't always wear a bra?? And if I'm honest, beating the shit out of people wearing nothing but your cammy jammies seems pretty baller.
- Honestly? Mixed feelings about implementing such things though. Historically, a weird amount of prioritisation given to jiggle physics is a sign of entitlement to an objectifying male gaze permeating every form of media and that is a big beef. My advice: just try to actually respect women and then at least you can believe in your own intentions.
- Man, you know what I hate worse than objectification/sexualisation of women in videogames tho? Fucking god damn gas lighting us about it and being like OOPS IT WAS A PHYSICS COMPUTER GLITCH OOPS HOW DID THAT HAPPEN AN INTERN ANIMATOR WHO DOESNT REPRESENT US HAS BEEN FIRED, I GUESS WOMENS BODIES ARE JUST OBJECTIVELY HARDER TO ANIMATE every single time. As if we won't notice it always seems to happen with female models, or as if they are shifting the burden of having socially acceptable anatomy on us??
- Am no animator but the breast jiggles actually look pretty close to right to me. People saying "oh she should be wearing a sports bra" like, I don't always wear a bra?? And if I'm honest, beating the shit out of people wearing nothing but your cammy jammies seems pretty baller.
- Honestly? Mixed feelings about implementing such things though. Historically, a weird amount of prioritisation given to jiggle physics is a sign of entitlement to an objectifying male gaze permeating every form of media and that is a big beef. My advice: just try to actually respect women and then at least you can believe in your own intentions.
- Man, you know what I hate worse than objectification/sexualisation of women in videogames tho? Fucking god damn gas lighting us about it and being like OOPS IT WAS A PHYSICS COMPUTER GLITCH OOPS HOW DID THAT HAPPEN AN INTERN ANIMATOR WHO DOESNT REPRESENT US HAS BEEN FIRED, I GUESS WOMENS BODIES ARE JUST OBJECTIVELY HARDER TO ANIMATE every single time. As if we won't notice it always seems to happen with female models, or as if they are shifting the burden of having socially acceptable anatomy on us??
I'm sorry, but you're not providing any arguments.
I am deeply and truly against male chauvinism, misogyny and patriarchy. I am not disagreeing with any attempt to fight it. I am disagreeing with YOU. Do not mistake your personal and subjective feelings with objective correctness and human decency.
From a dev perspective, it seems like the bones in the chest accidentally got paired to the knees or something in the legs, as the movement is perfectly timed with them.
This isn't "physics", this is your rig being broken.
This isn't "physics", this is your rig being broken.
In my hot country, young girls wear those outfits in summer. It's practical in this heat and we don't think anything off it, especially sexually. That's pedophilia. If an older lady wore it, she's just comfortable with it. Guys that notice, appreciate a beautiful woman, but not so much as blink or nod or making anyone uncomfortable.
I think some variances of ideals between borders is what makes the world a beautiful and diverse place.
Personally, I think Epic could just leave it in.
BUT!
Since it doesn't fit thematically with the game, (as in Fortnite has never had breast physics from the beginning) so I think it's right that they take it out.
BUT!
Since it doesn't fit thematically with the game, (as in Fortnite has never had breast physics from the beginning) so I think it's right that they take it out.
I've not really given an opinion so I don't know what you disagree with lol.
I just suggested the violence diversion was tiring, but you don't get it, so I'm not really invested in debating you.
Your kind of men kind of do, yeah, who refuse to read the thread and come in these threads with your incredibly unclever, repeated-&-refuted-a-million-times-already hot takes about issues you clearly do not understand at all and refuse to even educate yourself or listen to what others have to say about (women especially, who will suffer the real life consequences of objectification of women in media)
Your contribution to this discussion is zero with that little effort and clearly zero understanding of anything, so maybe don't act like you got some gotcha moment there. For one, violence in entertainment and objectification of women are vastly different beasts with completely different consequences in real life. Secondly, you're assuming people who criticize objectifying women in this way (and that's unarguably what it does) don't also have any issues with the commonality of violence in video games. Just because Fortnite is a violent video game (which ultimately is less of an issue as far as effect on society goes, even if we could use some more non-violent games if only for the sake of variety) doesn't mean it also has to treat its female characters like sex objects too.
But the temporary fix broke multiple items that had animation, so it wasn't just the specific rig that was the issue.
Also:
https://www.reddit.com/r/FortNiteBR/comments/9jm2zk/i_dont_think_the_boob_physics_was_a_bug/
So, it wasn't a bug either.
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Word, they need to spend some time watching how they work..
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These aren't real life women who have a say in what they wear in everyday life. I'm completely ok with any woman (or man) in real life wearing super short shorts if that's what they want to do, no matter what the reason. They can do it if it's hot outside. They can do it if it makes them feel hot/sexy. They can do it if they want to make some guys hot and bothered. That's ok.
These are fictional video game characters, though, in what is essentially a war game. They don't choose to wear anything. They are obviously made sexy to appeal to the mainly heterosexual male audience, the decision probably coming from male higher-ups and character designs maybe even done and ultimately mostly modelled into the game by men. This isn't some kind of real life female freedom & sexual liberation. It's done by men, for men.
I don't really see what's so embarrassing about it. It's incorrect but not Dead or Alive levels of insanely incorrect, like they're fighting on the moon or something. Or that Chun-li SFV glitch.
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Ok, I get that. So on the same line, are the images degrading women in real life or it's just videogame fantasy, no different to the guns and superheroing being the videogame fantasy. Because if they are both equal real life influencers, then here's your gun problem explained.
Otherwise, let it be something for men from men. If it's harmless fantasy, is it a problem?
Just talking it out loud to myself more then anything, curious how others perceive it.
I completely understand why people disapprove of accidental boob physics being removed from an emote in this game. It's realistic that boobs are soft and move around and female soldier-types don't have proper suspension. Fortnite is all about realism.
And violence is worse than bouncing boobs, so if you're doing violence against NPC's or other players in a game then you should think it logical and acceptable for it contain anything that's less bad, like boob physics and blowjobs and gambling etc, or you're weird.
Epic doesn't think boob physics fits their cartoon game. Epic is weird. Developers should let us gamers design their games. We have a better idea than Epic's vision and of what should be prioritized.
All games featuring violence should have jiggly tits. Because of realism and being against violence.
The thresholds for a person to learn and/or exhibit violent or sexist behavior are the same, and sexist attitudes never lead to violence or anything bad.
So kids should be taught that boobs are soft, to better prepare them for reality. Or whatever the hell people think is the benefit of it jesus christ I can't do this any longer.
Like, the only thing I feel can be discussed here is what impact breasts moving around would have on kids. It may or may not be that bad.
But I have absolutely no idea how it could be a positive one. And so I have absolutely no idea why it's a discussion worth having.
You could probably argue something similar about violence, but the presence of violence is at least justified by being integral to the game's existence as we know it. Boob momentum, not so much.
I will say that if realistic animation of human anatomy is of such importance, then everything should be simulated to the same extent.
Give me that muscle-flexing and underarm fat-flab. Eyelashes undulating in the breeze. Commando dongs dangling in rhythm with the mens' steps, vibrating ever so slightly as they mildly slap against their voluptuous thighs.
You know, for the kids. I don't care.
And violence is worse than bouncing boobs, so if you're doing violence against NPC's or other players in a game then you should think it logical and acceptable for it contain anything that's less bad, like boob physics and blowjobs and gambling etc, or you're weird.
Epic doesn't think boob physics fits their cartoon game. Epic is weird. Developers should let us gamers design their games. We have a better idea than Epic's vision and of what should be prioritized.
All games featuring violence should have jiggly tits. Because of realism and being against violence.
The thresholds for a person to learn and/or exhibit violent or sexist behavior are the same, and sexist attitudes never lead to violence or anything bad.
So kids should be taught that boobs are soft, to better prepare them for reality. Or whatever the hell people think is the benefit of it jesus christ I can't do this any longer.
Like, the only thing I feel can be discussed here is what impact breasts moving around would have on kids. It may or may not be that bad.
But I have absolutely no idea how it could be a positive one. And so I have absolutely no idea why it's a discussion worth having.
You could probably argue something similar about violence, but the presence of violence is at least justified by being integral to the game's existence as we know it. Boob momentum, not so much.
I will say that if realistic animation of human anatomy is of such importance, then everything should be simulated to the same extent.
Give me that muscle-flexing and underarm fat-flab. Eyelashes undulating in the breeze. Commando dongs dangling in rhythm with the mens' steps, vibrating ever so slightly as they mildly slap against their voluptuous thighs.
You know, for the kids. I don't care.
I cannot for the life of me figure out how jiggling boobs are more offensive than blowing people up, Shooting them with SMGs, Rockets, Sniper Rifles, America's favourite the Assault Rifle & Setting up traps with huge spikes etc etc
I know America has a love in with guns and violence but saying boobs are more offensive than all that shit? seriously what the F**K!
I know America has a love in with guns and violence but saying boobs are more offensive than all that shit? seriously what the F**K!
Just going by the jiggle talked about in the OP, it seems normal and don't see how it's meant to be sexualised compared to the stuff in the post you've linked me to. Yes the industry has a... Let's say, not the best track record concerning female representation/design (and many other groups while we're at it). And absolutely, if it's unintented and someone behind the scenes had some fun, change it, I'm not saying that they shouldn't. But I don't feel grouping me with people that use it purely as eye candy and treat woman respectless/don't want to listen because of this seems rather unfair.
Unless I'm misunderstanding something here, no hard feelings anyway ^^
I've been desensitized after Dead or Alive Extreme 2 and all the anime I watch. I was low key like, "what jiggle?"
I agree with the people saying that boob physics are realistic and thus should be a part of the game. Fortnite is basically a reality simulator, removing boob giggle just makes it seem unrealistic.
I also look forward to the future updates where on occasion you character sometimes gets a crippling leg cramp and a distracting phone call from their mother. The more realism in my video game about building forts out of my ass the better.
I also look forward to the future updates where on occasion you character sometimes gets a crippling leg cramp and a distracting phone call from their mother. The more realism in my video game about building forts out of my ass the better.
Let's summarize what we learned about The Jiggle so far:
- it's nowhere near as bad as DoA so it's okay
- it's nowhere near as bad as violence in games so it's okay
- it's highly realistic compared to IRL women, especially those that are bra-less, well endowed and doing a bouncy dance, so it's okay
- it's not realistic but complaining about it is just outrage culture, so let's say it's okay
- it will not singlehandedly ruin our kids, so it's okay
- many users' gf's agree it's okay when asked by their bf, so it's okay
- mods are asleep so just repeat any of the above talking points
Violent entertainment doesn't cause real life violence, at least not in the way that someone would go and shoot a few headshots in real life after a few months of Fortnite.
Entertainment does, however, shape our worldviews, which includes how we view other people, other sexes. It's not an accident that in our hypersexualized societies where women's role is to look sexy, men rape, assault and harass women sexually in such vast numbers. So many men grow up with such large amount of objectifying entertainment and porn that give them an unhealthy image of how to treat/interact with women, especially when it comes to desires/sexuality.
Seriously? Fortnight season 7, now with new mount....
you got me wrong, by me.. like if the model is completely naked, but the internet and the double moral nowadays surpass me...
If only we had listened to Sony...
That's copyrighted. Pay up.
Objectifying women is not a good thing and it being so prevalent in ALL entertainment causes far more real life issues than violence in video games. Like, the whole MeToo stuff (or what caused the movement) is largely (though not solely) a result of such generations long objectifying of women. Entertainment shapes our worldviews and when a big majority of our entertainment says women are there just for men to gawk at their bouncing boobs and round asses in tight clothes, that does affect how a lot of men view & treat women in real life when that indoctrination starts at such a young age.
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