Yikes...
No thanks. Didn't that shitty portable SNK had clicky thumbsticks? They fuck up again.
No thanks. Didn't that shitty portable SNK had clicky thumbsticks? They fuck up again.
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NEOGEO Mini presentation: The Legacy Lives On
- Thread starter BadWolf
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SNK are truly a shadow of their formal self. Presumably none of the original staff there. Always weird to see companies that trade off the legacy work done by others.
As for clicky sticks, they could have commissioned Exar. http://exar.jp/product/ex0032/ex0032.html
As for clicky sticks, they could have commissioned Exar. http://exar.jp/product/ex0032/ex0032.html
Damn....these videos are not making me want to keep my preorder :(
My username alone should tell you how much I want this but...between the redesign for the International version and now some of these complaints. Maybe I should just stick with my Switch ports and save the money.
My username alone should tell you how much I want this but...between the redesign for the International version and now some of these complaints. Maybe I should just stick with my Switch ports and save the money.
We saw previews of the Japanese version too. Dunno why the reviews for the international version are so much worse.
Huh, Metal Jesus is one of the few Youtube folks who I actually have some respect for, so this video goes a long way with me. Disappointed for sure, as an old school arcade fan. Too bad.
Hey, we still have the Hamster versions to fall back on! And we can even use clicky joysticks with those!
I wish the ACA releases had a toggle for console modes :( I guess that would go against what they are.
I can kinda understand not going full-hog with the controller using a microswitched dpad, but I can't get how they let the controller be this bad. I knew it would be awful just seeing it in the announcement trailer, with how much travel there is.
...hey, hey now. Don't go saying things you'll regret.
Edit: holy shit why are Neo Geo X consoles as expensive as the actual AES consoles jeezus
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So the TV output and controllers are a disappointment. Still in for base unit, if just for the novelty of having it at my desk for quick Neo Geo fixes.
Wow at all of the bad reviews & the complaints about this product.
Once again, SNK blows a good opportunity within us old-school gaming fans, just like with the Neo Geo X. And when even a chinese knockoff can even include a internal battery, that's a huge problem within the official product itself.
Once again, SNK blows a good opportunity within us old-school gaming fans, just like with the Neo Geo X. And when even a chinese knockoff can even include a internal battery, that's a huge problem within the official product itself.
You can either have 6 or 7 pieces of shitty plastic sitting around with severely limited options, or you can emulate. Yeah, no thanks.
and how many people have that kind of money and equipment to do that?
I do wish this was a better product. SNK please~
I mean I would not care if these pieces of plastic had more options, were more capable, et cetera. But they all look like junk to me you put on a shelf after a few hours.
As for emulation.... ehhh quite a few emulators work just great on your phone dude.
I just meant that not many people have the money or equipment to emulate these games legally, and that's why these retro mini consoles might be a good alternative. Well if they were done well that is. SNK please...
You can buy great versions of most of these games for $7.99 a pop on all major consoles.
I'm still shocked how SNK mismanaged this project. It makes them look bad.
Ofcourse and I buy a good number of them on the consoles, but it's just a nice alternative for people if done right.
It makes me sad they couldn't get the pad right since Neo Geo CD pad is one of my favorite pads of all time.
Yes, I guess they just couldn't justify the manufacturing budget. They released a PERFECT USB version of the Neo Geo CD pad about 10 years ago (or has it been longer?) I still use it quite often.
Yes. But it wasn't shitty! It was such a great portable! I loved the NGPC!
Sorry, I meant the recent retro one, I wouldn't call NGPC shitty, it was a cool portable. But yeah the NGPC sure had one. Which make it even more baffling.
Yep, even the Neo Geo X had microswitches.
I was originally thinking of at least buying the NGCD-style controller since they looked like they were going to be usb versions of the original controller, but this is just atrocious. Hard pass.
I'm a casual when it comes to SNK and I'm ok with the no microswitches. I know that's blasphemous but it's because I'm a casual and I don't know the history well. I'm just buying this to put in the same area as my NES and SNES classic so I can have a mini console station. Does anyone know if this will be hackable?
I did a quick check and I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet.
Even with the issues, this would be an insta buy from me if it was. I love the mini console concept and just want a whole bunch of them with tons and tons of games.
I don't buy the hamster's versions because of this. A simple QOL, the games already have a console "port" built in but they aren't bothered to enable a simple Neogeo Mode = MVS/AES dipswitch on the emulator.
It's fun playing on the little screen, keeping in mind you won't be playing at your best with the integrated controls, it isn't unplayable either. I keep it at my work desk and play it for short bursts here and there, also my kid loves the thing.
But yeah, I don't see much value in hooking it up to the TV as a NES-mini style device. For that my favorite titles I've just bought the hamster releases.
But yeah, I don't see much value in hooking it up to the TV as a NES-mini style device. For that my favorite titles I've just bought the hamster releases.
Yeah, same here. All it would take is changing a single bit in memory to access the complete version of those games, and yet they won't do it. It's completely stupid.
I wish there was more vocal complaining to Hamster about this. But I guess most people aren't aware of all the features they're missing in some of those games.
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Bear in mind that the Hamster releases are called "Arcade Archives", not "Arcade & Home Port Archives" - they were always supposed to be emulations of the original coin-op versions with a few back-end features added, not a comprehensive collection of all versions of the game (otherwise, how big would ACA Gradius have been? Yikes). That the AES versions were not present should not be a surprise to anyone who's paying attention.
I do agree that including the AES versions would be a nice gesture from Hamster, though they would need SNK's permission to do so, since they're a distinct "version" of the games. The ball's in SNK's court on that one.
Hard to make? More like more expensive to make. For a clicky pad or stick they would have needed four microswitches, four springs, plus some extra plastic parts rather than a single, cheap, off the shelf component. More expensive in component and manufacturing cost? Yes. Hard? No, especially when they already have a good design.
Nah, they've cut corners to increase profit margins rather than producing a top quality product. Not terribly impressive when this is more expensive than other comparable products (not to mention the dirt cheap unlicensed systems from China). £130? Are you having a laugh, SNK?
Their recent re-releases on PS4, Switch, XBox One, Windows, along with KOF 14, SNK Heroines and Samurai Spirits, and the KoF Destiny series prove otherwise.
I think they are better than ever.
They are looking great as of late. It's just this hardware offering that is disappointing. Otherwise they are on the up-and-up imo.
You don't seem to understand that AES mode is literally the same ROM. Adding AES mode will not make it a "collection". Your comparison with Gradius makes no sense. AES mode is not a port, it's the same ROM with a different bit set in RAM.
I don't care what it's called, excluding the option to switch to AES mode makes those releases incomplete. There is literally more to those games within those ROMs, that is artificially kept away from us.
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Why the hostility and condescension? I basically agreed with you, while also pointing out that the choice to offer AES modes is up to Hamster/SNK. If you really feel so passionate about the issue, then tweet @ Hamster about it. No need to get antsy at me about it.
Besides, if you're really that up in arms about it, just emulate the AES versions on your device of choice. Nobody's stopping you from enjoying these games any way you want to.
I wasn't being hostile, I was just explaining that what you were saying was objectively wrong. I apologize that it came out as offensive.
And lol at bolded, I mean that's the whole point of what I was saying, I know I can play Neo-Geo games elsewhere (I own real hardware, even), my problem is specifically with the ACA releases being a sub-par product. As a Neo-Geo fan I wish they were better, because I would like to buy and enjoy Neo-Geo games on my Switch, but the lack of AES mode is a deal breaker, and I am somewhat frustrated that people aren't more vocal about this.
(And yes, I did tweet to Hamster about this way back a year ago when they started those releases. No reply.)
SNK might want more money to "include" the AES version. Even if it's only a small amount, the margins on retro game rereleases are razor thin, and most people have never even seen the AES versions, so it's not worth it to Hamster. Or maybe SNK wanted to keep the AES versions in their back pocket for something like the mini. Regardless of what is on the ROM, by treating the versions as separate SNK effectively doubles the amount of NG games they can license.
Personally, I'm disappointed that the mini can't play the MVS versions. It's literally a tiny cherry cabinet! I don't want to play the home versions on it!
Personally, I'm disappointed that the mini can't play the MVS versions. It's literally a tiny cherry cabinet! I don't want to play the home versions on it!
To add insult to injury, Hamster don't know how scanlines works. Their implementation is hideous. Seems like they first apply it to the original res screen so the lines get all fucked up if you stretch to fit the image on a 4:3 frame with some other lines double the windth.
Neogeo deserved better than this overpriced amateur work Hamster and SNK are doing.
An expert, huh? And your point is...?
That an "expert" can get used to that awful stick after lots of dedicated practice is perhaps expected. Us ordinary mortals, however, can still think the stick sucks and have huge difficulty using it effectively.
Either way, you won't see anyone using these at EVO, I'll tell you that much.
That an "expert" can get used to that awful stick after lots of dedicated practice is perhaps expected. Us ordinary mortals, however, can still think the stick sucks and have huge difficulty using it effectively.
Either way, you won't see anyone using these at EVO, I'll tell you that much.