I mean it was already kind of fucked given Obama was denied a pick.
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Senate Judiciary Committee hearing - Ford & Kavanaugh testimony - 9/27 at 10am ET
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I mean it was already kind of fucked given Obama was denied a pick.
I mean, there was a non-zero chance that Trump would win in 2016. And now we've all watched CSPAN voluntarily. Sometimes unicorns happen.
let loose the dogs of revolution. take the buildings by storm. your government is failing you.
That set a precedent for the process. In this case the nominee is, by any standard, nakedly partisan. Today's hearing was an unprecedented assertion of a nominee's privilege to act in a political manner.
It has never been this openly affected and even directed by pure party adherence.
Not necessarily. Republicans want this done so if he doesn't get voted through they can fast track someone else immediately.
I can't take people who think the court isn't politicized, even after these last few years, seriously.
Impeachment is a political process not a criminal one, so there isn't a statute of limitations or anything. Just the same as impeaching the president it requires 50% +1 of the House to start the process and 2/3 in the Senate to remove from office. Only 1 SCOTUS justice was impeached but he was not removed from office. Short of a Democratic supermajority in the Senate it will never happen
They don't care about the future. Republicans know they are fucked in the midterms and know that in 2 years, the idiots who vote in this country will forget about this farce and end up voting them back. Meanwhile, all those politicians who lost their job end up getting into the lobbying industry, where they will make a lot more money in a lot less stressful job.
this is to help their billionaire donors. That is the defining feature of their party is that they are united to help a very rich segment of the population. Inherently, they are all basically interchangeable and they know it.
This confirmation is like the last infinity stone the GOP needs on their infinity gauntlet of fuckery.
They're going to do everything in their power to move forward. It's not hopeless thinking that Kavanaugh gets axed, but I think a lot of us are overestimating the impact of Ford's testimony has on these dudes. We saw a panel of heartless people, man.
They're going to do everything in their power to move forward. It's not hopeless thinking that Kavanaugh gets axed, but I think a lot of us are overestimating the impact of Ford's testimony has on these dudes. We saw a panel of heartless people, man.
Yeah, but I put it in quotes to say that people need to stop pretending it hasn't been.
Especially the "politics as sports" types like Chuck Todd and Jake Tapper.
This is my reading as well. I don't think the existence of the vote in and of itself necessarily portends a result either way given the macro situation.
Let me help ya out, I'm asking what does this mean.
You are basically comparing people in this thread to an emo teen because they understand that this SCOTUS justice is going to change the court for their lifetime. So edgy bro.
I would certainly agree if it 100% meant they were losing this seat. This is the decision between rapist and risking having to do it lame duck if they don't do well enough in midterms. Makes it a harder choice.
Don't forget him being on record saying sitting presidents shouldn't be indicted or investigated
The optimistic read is that with Manchin saying he, Collins, Murkowski, and Flake were all undecided, that at least two of those threes Republicans demanded additional investigation, and McConnell decided to call their bluff. Either they break, or Kavanaugh dies quickly, either of which is better than more investigation for him.
The pessimistic take is that any undecidedness was broken in the conference meeting and they're full steam forward on this.
Seriously needs to be shouted from the roof tops. This is why today was important to me at least. Our system is fucked.
Someone can be impeached for basically whatever reason. It doesn't even have to be an actual crime. Just whatever the House/Senate decide is sufficient is enough. It's entirely arbitrary, so this could certainly qualify. There's no problem there.
The problem is, to actually be removed from the Senate requires a 2/3 vote in favor. And no way are Democrats getting anywhere close to 66 Senators anyone soon due to which elections in the Senate are happening when and no way will they ever fill the void with Republicans if they can't stop them from voting him in in the first place.
Impeachment is a non-starter due to the make-up of the Senate. If he votes were there they could do it absolutely, there's no problems with that in that particular situation at all. But there's just no way of getting that many votes should that be the way things go.
I still think that the moderate darlings forming a holdout is a slight favorite if you're betting odds. Maybe by 5%.
I don't think it has any impact on those dudes. What we have to hope is that it has rattled something loose in the women of the GOP, enough to where they start to fear that they might even be losing conservative women over this.
Unlikely as fuck but far more likely than thinking Grassley or Hatch are gonna turn a new leaf at whatever dinosaur age they are.
Honestly save for a few Dems, I wasn't happy with their questioning. Dems always play too nice and they have to recognize the double standards. If Avenatti was a Senator, you think he would've been coy?
Two issues they should've raised
A) the three witnesses saying they don't remember said incident doesn't preclude from it happening in the first place
B) the fact that BK openly displayed to the public that he is a partisan hack who is spiteful
The Dems need to get their act together because I don't think they even convinced independents. They need to fight fire with fire and enough with this they go low, we go high bs as it clearly doesn't work in today's climate.
Two issues they should've raised
A) the three witnesses saying they don't remember said incident doesn't preclude from it happening in the first place
B) the fact that BK openly displayed to the public that he is a partisan hack who is spiteful
The Dems need to get their act together because I don't think they even convinced independents. They need to fight fire with fire and enough with this they go low, we go high bs as it clearly doesn't work in today's climate.
You do know you don't get civility from people who never had any in the first place.
Republicans circled the wagon, e.g. its done.
Yep.
It works the same way as impeachment for the Presidency does; simple majority in the House, 67 in the Senate.
Kavanaugh had some moments of weird non-answers and pathological lies, and emotional outbursts, but nothing to completely change the course.
Republicans are meeting now about what to do. Flake, Murkowski, Collins, and Manchin met before that. Manchin says they're all still undecided.
Thanks y'all. I just saw a lot of comments about impeachment and wasn't sure what, if anything, could come of it.
I have my fingers crossed for a no vote but have absolutely no faith in repugs. I wonder if Vegas is taking bets....
If keeping kids in cages won't get people off their ass for mass riots than nothing will. The country should be on fire right now.
It is physically an impossibility for the Democrats to get 67 Senate members.
If Kav is in, he's basically in unless he does something to piss off conservatives (like vote to give protections to poor people)
Not slight non-zero. Roughly 1/3 per 538. And better odds than Trump had of winning.
Our political system has a built in function for self correction. If people were unhappy they'd vote. But 40% of us dont for whatever reason.
Been catching up on today's proceedings, bits and pieces. When Kavanaugh couldn't even give a straight answer about how many beers is too many, I'd had enough. Guy wants to be a Supreme Court Justice and can't even give a straight answer about basic moderation? Get the efffff out of here.
Like with other votes, the plan is to just bully undecideds on board by setting the marker down.
There were some republican callers on the cspan call in that said they don't believe Kavanaugh and they were siding with him before this started. But I'm sure they will be swayed back over when they get their daily fox news brainwashing session.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/27/ford-kavanaugh-white-house-reaction-849231
He has Trump's backing. That's all Republicans need to fall in line.
If an investigation is done and there is evidence of this actually happening, you can force Rs to swallow the poison pill and support his ass again. That's enough to justify shooting for it.
They're not going to confirm the piece of shit are they?!?!
Look how many of them have announced their retirement. They already knew midterms were going to be rough. The thing is these fuckwads took power and they got almost everything they wanted. Even if Dems get the slight majority in midterms (which I'm not as confident as others, especially knowing there is a good chance Nelson may lose his seat here in Florida) the Republicans know they can't undue everything the Republicans have done. And who knows what the climate will be in 2 years. This is not a hard choice for them. The couple that give a shit about their shits including a fucking Democrat are in there flipping coins right now to see who will take the hit.
JFC people get it through your heads. They are going to fucking own the SCOTUS. This is not a hard choice for them.
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