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goonergaz

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Nov 18, 2017
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Sony have spent their entire history in this industry copying Nintendo's successful innovations.

Really? Nintendo are the only company who innovate. I'm not going to side-track this thread but no, just no.

Actually Sony did approach em for just that after they lost Halo to Microsoft.

Here is a lil thing I wrote(three pages) that details it: http://gamasutra.com/view/feature/134742/studio_profile_guerrilla_games.php

"Back in December 1999," said Hulst, "we had made a demo called Marines. I showed it to Sony in London, and you have to understand back then that was a risky proposition -- since the only popular console FPS was GoldenEye. A lot has changed since then."

Given the market conditions when Hulst pitched the project to Sony, and the fact that Sony already had a promising sci-fi shooter slated for its platform, its decision to take a pass on the Marines project made sense.

On one hand, you had a small Dutch developer which had never produced a shooter before, and on the other hand was a well-known developer with a proven track record. Coming from the PC and Mac sphere, Bungie had extensive experience in making first person shooters (the Marathon series) and had two games pledged for the upcoming PS2 system.

One was a third person action game called Oni; the other one however is arguably the game that built the Xbox brand -- none other than Halo: Combat Evolved.

Bungie started out as one of the very few Mac game developers, but economic realities (the implosion of sales of Macintosh computers in the late '90s) forced it to branch out to Windows computers as well.

Halo was first considered for release on Mac, PC, and Dreamcast. As hype started to build around the upcoming release of the PlayStation 2, the Dreamcast version was shelved in favor of a console exclusivity deal with Sony for PS2 -- where Sony itself would act as publisher of the game.

Microsoft, however, was coming out with its Xbox and needed more talented developers to attract gamers to its first real entry into the console industry. Bungie was open for a buyout, and Sony lost the Halofranchise. It still got Oni via Rockstar, however.

Ironically, Halo: Combat Evolved -- the game that killed the Marines project for Sony -- was also the one that revived it. After the huge success Halo enjoyed on the Xbox, Sony realized it needed a high profile exclusive sci-fi shooter on the PS2. Guerrilla was contacted and the project got the greenlight -- and the budget it needed.

wow, interesting - thanks for this...makes you wonder where MS would be without doing that!
 

Tygre

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Oct 25, 2017
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Really? Nintendo are the only company who innovate. I'm not going to side-track this thread but no, just no.
I didn't say that. I didn't even almost say that.

I was just citing the most common, obvious and consistent example of copying between the 3 current HW manufacturers. I am not here to get into dumb fanboy-ish arguments.

There is nothing wrong with copying success. Our entire society is based on copying success. Copying successes is smart business.
 

ThePhoque

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Jun 6, 2018
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I love Obsidian but I'd have them on something else. New Vegas 2 isn't possible but I'd get them working on some sort of modern RPG. Let them pick.

Agreed. I hope they make something similar to Risen series in terms of feels and atmosphere.

I mean fantasy in general would be cool, thats why i thought they are good for Fable as well...

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What are the chances for them to make games like Overwatch - R6Siege etc. Cross play on PC - X1 ? since they have added the full mouse and keyboard support i think it would be easy to add a server specifically for cross players?
 

goonergaz

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Nov 18, 2017
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I didn't say that. I didn't even almost say that.

I was just citing the most common, obvious and consistent example of copying between the 3 current HW manufacturers. I am not here to get into dumb fanboy-ish arguments.

There is nothing wrong with copying success. Our entire society is based on copying success. Copying successes is smart business.

Oh, so MS didn't copy PS eye, a bluray player or adding games to their live service? And Nintendo didn't move over to disk and Wiimote isn't based off what Sony were doing with Eye on PS2. Both Nintendo and Sony have greatly improved their services to compete with MS.

Like you say they all do it, just funny you singled out one company and then add to that with the above.

Anyway, like you say, I'm not getting into a fanboy argument - probably best not to say things that might start one.
 

dudu0609

Prophet of Regret
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Oct 27, 2017
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Guys, this is just a fan fest. Please do not hype it up. The hype will kill me, eventually...
 

Klobrille

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Oct 27, 2017
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Guys, this is just a fan fest. Please do not hype it up. The hype will kill me, eventually...
X0 Events are definitely not just fan fests. I mean don't expect the quantity of E3 announcements, but they will definitely have cool new stuff. News on Gears. Crackdown 3. FH4 December Expansion. Sea of Thieves December Expansion. Mouse and keyboard games. These are safe calls.

I also think there is a chance for Battletoads and an update on Microsoft Studios.
 

vorimenn

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Jul 28, 2018
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London, United Kingdom.
X0 Events are definitely not just fan fests. I mean don't expect the quantity of E3 announcements, but they will definitely have cool new stuff. News on Gears. Crackdown 3. FH4 December Expansion. Sea of Thieves December Expansion. Mouse and keyboard games. These are safe calls.

I also think there is a chance for Battletoads and an update on Microsoft Studios.
…aaand maaaybe some acquisitions news
 

Septic

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Oct 27, 2017
1,071
Guys, this is just a fan fest. Please do not hype it up. The hype will kill me, eventually...

its too late- we on board now!

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Segafreak

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Oct 27, 2017
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I remember X0, some good stuff was on there. I like that VP Phil Spencer is trying to bring back the Xbox magic before it all went down (pre-Kinect/Xbone).

They're set on hardware, online ecosystem and Western 1P is coming, all we really need now is some Japan love. Scalebound revival and Lost Odyssey 2 would be insane.


OMG, Could it be MS acquiring Rocksteady and announcing the first exclusive Superhero game for Xbox Scarlett?

Sounds too good to be true but Phil spoke about the Rare Acquisition during X0, another acquisition can't be ruled out. Also, MS now has 2 British Studios, PG and Rare, what are the chances of another one?

Rocksteady seems like the type of acquisition that would really put MS's first party studio on a higher level than before.

This don't make no sense. Literally the only reason Rocksteady is able to make Batman games is because they're owned by a big movie studio so no, you're not gonna get your exclusive Batman game on Xbox Scarlett. MS has enough studios now who could make a superhero game anyway, they don't need Rocksteady for that.


Sony have spent their entire history in this industry copying Nintendo's successful innovations.

It's not embarrassing, it's what smart businesses do. What's embarrassing is the amount of fanboy nonsense spouted after the fact.
Literally the only thing that comes up on google search is that they copied some controller designs, what else? Their design still works while Nintendo spent the entire following gens with shitty controllers. Also in terms of games I can't think of a single instance where Sony has copied Nintendo, except for PSASBR, Sony 1st party has been the very definition of anti-Nintendo games.
 

Betty

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Oct 25, 2017
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Sony have spent their entire history in this industry copying Nintendo's successful innovations.

It's not embarrassing, it's what smart businesses do. What's embarrassing is the amount of fanboy nonsense spouted after the fact.

Sony went cd long before Nintendo did, they also helped make DVD and Blu Ray the mainstream media of choice which is no small feat.

They were also the first to do dual thumbsticks and have rumble built into a controller which have become the norm for most modern gaming consoles.
 

m23

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Oct 25, 2017
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X0 Events are definitely not just fan fests. I mean don't expect the quantity of E3 announcements, but they will definitely have cool new stuff. News on Gears. Crackdown 3. FH4 December Expansion. Sea of Thieves December Expansion. Mouse and keyboard games. These are safe calls.

I also think there is a chance for Battletoads and an update on Microsoft Studios.

Yeah really hope we get to see Battletoads gameplay.

I think people expecting a press conference like E3 will be disappointed, I believe this will just be a larger Inside Xbox episode, I don't really mind either way. I know the older XO events had conferences, but there was no mention at all about a conference, only Inside Xbox.

Maybe TimDog or someone can ask Spencer on Twitter lol.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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X0 Events are definitely not just fan fests. I mean don't expect the quantity of E3 announcements, but they will definitely have cool new stuff. News on Gears. Crackdown 3. FH4 December Expansion. Sea of Thieves December Expansion. Mouse and keyboard games. These are safe calls.

I also think there is a chance for Battletoads and an update on Microsoft Studios.
BATTLE TOADS - A PLatinum games game




any chance of a studio acquisition announcement?
 

False Witness

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Oct 25, 2017
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Could we potentially see the first look at the next NetherRealm game here (if it's not first revealed at the October Injustice event)?
 

Ushay

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Oct 27, 2017
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Oh boy this is a nice surprise to come back to, been off ERA for a while.

I never really saw the older X events, it looks like this could have some nice announcements incoming. Hoping for any of the below;

- Crackdown 3 info/gameplay.
- Age of Empires 4 with keyboard/mouse demo
- Halo Wars 2?
- New Studio announcements .. come on Obsidian!
- Killer Instinct?
- Ninja Theroy's new game
- Playgrounds new RPG/Fable (aka worst kept secret ever)
- Potential DLC from Undead Labs
- 3rd party announces like DMC, Division 2 etc

There is a tonne of things they can put into this one. With such a large audience, I'm sure they will have some whoppers for Game Pass too.
 

Deleted member 5764

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Oct 25, 2017
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Apparently I'm the only dolt who wants them to finally announce the Xbox game streaming service at this thing. I understand the want for new games, and I think those will be there too. I just also think this is the perfect venue to get the streaming service out in the open before they start talking new hardware.
 

m23

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Oct 25, 2017
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Oh boy this is a nice surprise to come back to, been off ERA for a while.

I never really saw the older X events, it looks like this could have some nice announcements incoming. Hoping for any of the below;

- Halo Wars 2?

There is a tonne of things they can put into this one. With such a large audience, I'm sure they will have some whoppers for Game Pass too.

Huh? Assuming you mean Halo Wars 3?

If that happens, it would be a megaton announcement for me. I don't see it happening just yet though, if ever :(.
 
Sep 12, 2018
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Oh, so MS didn't copy PS eye, a bluray player or adding games to their live service? And Nintendo didn't move over to disk and Wiimote isn't based off what Sony were doing with Eye on PS2. Both Nintendo and Sony have greatly improved their services to compete with MS.

Like you say they all do it, just funny you singled out one company and then add to that with the above.

Anyway, like you say, I'm not getting into a fanboy argument - probably best not to say things that might start one.

MS did not copy PS eye, Blu Ray for this gen was ineviteable, they did it only after Sony followed suit and started charging for online and giving temporary licenses to the games(drop PSN and you lose the games) while MS gave em for keeps regardles of Live status. There were disc systems before playstation. Both the Wiimote and the PS wand(lolz) were kicensed from the same medical hardware company by Sony as well as Nintendo. Neither one of em came up with it themselves, they both licensed the tech from the same company.
 
Sep 12, 2018
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Sony went cd long before Nintendo did, they also helped make DVD and Blu Ray the mainstream media of choice which is no small feat.

They were also the first to do dual thumbsticks and have rumble built into a controller which have become the norm for most modern gaming consoles.

DVD was mainstream long before PS2 and Blu Ray they won because of studio politics and bribes.

Also twin analog was the logical progression of twin sticks which had existed since the early 70s, vibration build in was another natural progression for home controllers. Nintendo already had the rumble pack and force feedback had been a staple in arcades.
 

Betty

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Oct 25, 2017
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DVD was mainstream long before PS2 and Blu Ray they won because of studio politics and bribes.

Also twin analog was the logical progression of twin sticks which had existed since the early 70s, vibration build in was another natural progression for home controllers. Nintendo already had the rumble pack and force feedback had been a staple in arcades.

Nintendo were first with the rumble pack, true, but Sony were the first to build it into the controller, and they still get credit for releasing the first controller with dual analogue sticks.

And there's no denying that PS2 & PS3 at the very least helped DVD & Blu Ray to reach more people. Hell Microsoft backed HD-DVD which could've become the mainstream choice yet it still lost to Blu Ray and i'd say some part of that is thanks to every PS3 having a Blu Ray player as standard.
 
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Nintendo were first with the rumble pack, true, but Sony were the first to build it into the controller, and they still get credit for releasing the first controller with dual analogue sticks.

And there's no denying that PS2 & PS3 at the very least helped DVD & Blu Ray to reach more people. Hell Microsoft backed HD-DVD which could've become the mainstream choice yet it still lost to Blu Ray and i'd say some part of that is thanks to every PS3 having a Blu Ray player as standard.

Like most things those features were logical progressions. Consumers dont see it but the really big things happen in the shadows. Kinect as a standalone consumer product might have failed but it is a huge succes in vertical markets and guess what Apple and Huawei use the technology in their phones. If you want to talk game changers, retroactively adding analog and rumble to controllers in a knee jerk reaction to competition is not a game changer or innovation. Kinect however is.

You are wrong about DVD and partially wrong about Blu Ray. DVD was everywhere when the PS2 launched from te backseat of cars(to
keep the kids quiet during long rides) to EVERY PC/Laptop being sold to home players and portables. People could buy a movie and literally had half a dozen devices in their possesion that could play that disc. Not so with Blu Ray, I know plenty of people who only have a console that can play the movies and thats it.
 

sibarraz

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Oct 27, 2017
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Even if they didn't announced anything new, just watching new footage of the gears games, crackdown and other projects would be good enough for me
 

Betty

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Oct 25, 2017
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Like most things those features were logical progressions. Consumers dont see it but the really big things happen in the shadows. Kinect as a standalone consumer product might have failed but it is a huge succes in vertical markets and guess what Apple and Huawei use the technology in their phones. If you want to talk game changers, retroactively adding analog and rumble to controllers in a knee jerk reaction to competition is not a game changer or innovation. Kinect however is.

You are wrong about DVD and partially wrong about Blu Ray. DVD was everywhere when the PS2 launched from te backseat of cars(to
keep the kids quiet during long rides) to EVERY PC/Laptop being sold to home players and portables. People could buy a movie and literally had half a dozen devices in their possesion that could play that disc. Not so with Blu Ray, I know plenty of people who only have a console that can play the movies and thats it.

If you're going to say Kinect was somehow a good thing because other third party companies use similar tech then you have to give Sony similar credit for helping to actually invent DVD & Blu Ray in the first place along with Philips.

I'd also argue Kinect was a vain attempt to ride the Wii motion sensor craze that Sony also failed to capitalise on and became a veritable tumour that held down Xbox at the start of this generation. And I don't see Sony, Nintendo or Microsoft in any rush to adopt something similar anytime soon.

Anyway I don't want to derail the thread.

I'm hoping we get to see something Banjo or Conker related at the conference.
 

Tregard

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Oct 27, 2017
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Might make a Bingo card! Exciting times.

Some speculative ideas:

Banjo Threeie reveal
Mega Bloks Halo revival
Alan Wake 2
Fusion Frenzy reboot
Scalebound revival
Phantom Dust revival
Clippy DLC for Killer Instinct
Game Pass streaming announced for mobile devices
1 Vs 100: Game Pass Exclusive
Minecraft Racing Game (MineKart)
Cuphead Jr.
Obsidian developing New Vegas 2
New BioShock reveal
 

Wishbone Ash

One Winged Slayer
The Fallen
Oct 29, 2017
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I'm sure someone already asked, but why does he say next month if it's November? Is something happening in October preceding the big event?
 

Dokkaebi G0SU

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Nov 2, 2017
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thisthreadisuselesswithoutpics.jpeg
unfortunely that was maybe like 7 years ago when i Dj's at that college party aaaand i have no idea where the pics are lol :(

maybe ill bring it back since im getting back into playing some events nearby LOL be a fun surprise (if anyone remembers the movie of of course) LOL
 

Oleander

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Oct 25, 2017
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There's a chance that, with cross-play opening up, there may be an announcement of Final Fantasy XIV hitting Xbox. I say this only because the coincidental timing of the Las Vegas Final Fantasy Fan Festival the following weekend, where the next expansion pack will be announced.