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Do you think Incineroar still have a shot at making in Smash Bros as playable character?

  • Yes

    Votes: 375 55.7%
  • No

    Votes: 298 44.3%

  • Total voters
    673
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Platy

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https://twitter.com/AllSourceGaming/status/1044983191499468801

Either way, it's such a vague statement, I don't think it's possible to take much from it. We don't even have a clear idea of what the pace was let alone determine what that slower pace is going to be.

My personal interpretation is that we're only going to get one more direct with the rest of the newcomers/echoes all at once.

My personal interpretation is that #TeamMoreThan2 will get dissapointed
 

Nocturnowl

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Just show Dixie kong's fate so I can go home.
This is pretty much the only thing currently keeping me attached to the speculation, if I'd seen here in Diddy's final smash or an AT by now I could just happily wait for the release knowing that I'm pretty cool with the newcomers.
Until then I must twist in the wind, she COULD still be there, even If I no longer expect it.
 

r_n

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Oct 25, 2017
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I just want more isabelle footage like what we got with K Rool, Chrom & Dark Samus.

have her fight Simon so we can see more of him too
 

megachao24

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No more newcomers. Just two months of nothing until launch. Any missing features have been turned into DLC out of spite.
 

Gartooth

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Dixie Kong probably won't be playable but at least we can all rejoice that team #notanecho is vindicated by Sakurai's comments on Isabelle.
 

Lady Bow

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I used to think that Skull Kid was impossible, but I totally forgot he was an AT in For 3DS/Wii U (I don't play much with ATs on). It's just too suspicious to not have him confirmed as an AT and have the moon AT without Skull Kid.
Also worth noting that Skull Kid was the very first assist trophy to be revealed for Smash 4 and now he's still nowhere to be seen about 2 and a half months before release.

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Sakurai: Here's a new Assist Trophy--the Skull Kid! I repeat, it's an Assist Trophy, not a new fighter. The characters announced on the website are the fighters!

Sakurai even had to clarify he wasn't a playable fighter knowing his status as a Zelda icon and popularity.


Combine this with the fact that:

-Majora's Mask 3D released while Sakurai was drafting out his picks for Ultimate
-The downright suspicious absence of Skull Kid in the Moon AT like you said
-Skull Kid's model is already finished and just needs to be polished up like Dark Samus's (who also had a MIA assist trophy in Ultimate)
-Music Theory is Dead™
-Young Link's final smash still not being shown (could possibly be a Skull Kid connection with Fierce Diety)
-Ramblin' Mushroom AT from Earthbound replacing one of Skull Kid's AT gimmicks with reversing controls

It's looking good skull fans with Halloween approaching.
 

SieteBlanco

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They're only adding another 2 or 3 new characters and one of them will be Skull Kid? I just don't see it, specially if one of them will still be a Pokemon. Either the music theory is wrong and Incineroar/whoever is already taking a space, or the music theory is right and Skull Kid is deconfirmed anyway.
 

scare_crow

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Also worth noting that Skull Kid was the very first assist trophy to be revealed for Smash 4 and now he's still nowhere to be seen about 2 and a half months before release.

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Sakurai even had to clarify he wasn't a playable fighter knowing his status as a Zelda icon and popularity.


Combine this with the fact that:

-Majora's Mask 3D released while Sakurai was drafting out his picks for Ultimate
-The downright suspicious absence of Skull Kid in the Moon AT like you said
-Skull Kid's model is already finished and just needs to be polished up like Dark Samus's (who also had a MIA assist trophy)
-Music Theory is Dead™
-Young Link's final smash still not being shown (could possibly be a Skull Kid connection with Fierce Diety)
-Ramblin' Mushroom AT from Earthbound replacing one of Skull Kid's AT gimmicks with reversing controls

It's looking good skull fans with Halloween approaching.
I love everything about this post.
 

Metto

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Also worth noting that Skull Kid was the very first assist trophy to be revealed for Smash 4 and now he's still nowhere to be seen about 2 and a half months before release.

uBnK4cr.png



Sakurai even had to clarify he wasn't a playable fighter knowing his status as a Zelda icon and popularity.


Combine this with the fact that:

-Majora's Mask 3D released while Sakurai was drafting out his picks for Ultimate
-The downright suspicious absence of Skull Kid in the Moon AT like you said
-Skull Kid's model is already finished and just needs to be polished up like Dark Samus's (who also had a MIA assist trophy in Ultimate)
-Music Theory is Dead™
-Young Link's final smash still not being shown (could possibly be a Skull Kid connection with Fierce Diety)
-Ramblin' Mushroom AT from Earthbound replacing one of Skull Kid's AT gimmicks with reversing controls

It's looking good skull fans with Halloween approaching.
I mean the two main points against this is that there's alot of final smashes that haven't been revealed yet so it isn't that weird Young Link's also isn't here. Skull Kid could still be an AT as we don't know the full list and outside of the Moon trophy nothing seems to suggest he is.

The biggest counter argument is that Music Theory isn't dead and we're just not getting a Pokemon newcomer.
 

Phendrift

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Oct 25, 2017
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I guess Phosphora will be playable!
You completely missed the point. It's not his absence, it's that plus the fact that we got an additional Majora's Mask AT.

Majora's Mask is a single Zelda game released 20 years ago, it having two ATs alone (when we haven't even seen a BotW or ALBW one, mind you) would be strange.

Because of that I think either Skull Kid is cut entirely or he's playable. Given Majora's Mask 3D being the hottest Zelda thing around the time the roster for Ultimate was decided, I will go with the latter for now.

Although I would love playable Phosphora
 

Dark Cloud

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Oct 27, 2017
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Someone pointed me to a theory on 4chan which I will copy/paste here, please forgive the memey 4chan text format:

>There's no way Incineroar won't be playable
>Steven's remix is in the blog
>Sun/Moon Trainer remix isn't
>BOTW's main theme is in
>Termina Field's remix isn't
>Gangplank Galleon is in
>DKC's bonus room theme isn't
>They're being saved for character reveals
>DKC's bonus room is already confirmed to be a medley
>same thing will happen to Termina Field
>Diddy will share the same song with Dixie for the mini trailers
>Same thing with Young Link and Skull Kid

Obviously relies on Incineroar indeed being in, which I am inclined to believe. So skull kid and dixie are in is the theory. Thoughts?
So Skull Kid, Incinceroar, Dixie, a Square rep and Bandai rep?
 

Metto

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You completely missed the point. It's not his absence, it's that plus the fact that we got an additional Majora's Mask AT.

Majora's Mask is a single Zelda game released 20 years ago, it having two ATs alone (when we haven't even seen a BotW or ALBW one, mind you) would be strange.

Because of that I think either Skull Kid is cut entirely or he's playable. Given Majora's Mask 3D being the hottest Zelda thing around the time the roster for Ultimate was decided, I will go with the latter for now.
Twilight Princess HD was announced and coming out the same time the roster was being drafted.

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Someone pointed me to a theory on 4chan which I will copy/paste here, please forgive the memey 4chan text format:

>There's no way Incineroar won't be playable
>Steven's remix is in the blog
>Sun/Moon Trainer remix isn't
>BOTW's main theme is in
>Termina Field's remix isn't
>Gangplank Galleon is in
>DKC's bonus room theme isn't
>They're being saved for character reveals
>DKC's bonus room is already confirmed to be a medley
>same thing will happen to Termina Field
>Diddy will share the same song with Dixie for the mini trailers
>Same thing with Young Link and Skull Kid

Obviously relies on Incineroar indeed being in, which I am inclined to believe. So skull kid and dixie are in is the theory. Thoughts?
That's not how the Music Rule works, so it c fake.
 

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The thing about box theory is that it's literally just ONE unannounced newcomer and Ken (Ken is on the other side of the box with ryu)

If it was two unannounced non echo new fighters I'd be more likely to agree with the box theory.
 

Lunar15

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I genuinely love the logic at play here. I don't understand it at all, but it makes my mind spin with all the things sakurai takes note of when designing a character. It's hilarious.

When we were making Smash for 3DS/Wii U, we debated using the New Leaf proportions when designing Villager, but we went with the more fleshed-out earlier model. There were two reasons behind this decision. One is that a slimmer Villager would be thinner than Mario, and that wouldn't fit the character.

- http://www.japanesenintendo.com/post/178486295859
 

wholahay

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Y'know I think people would be less annoyed with Box Theory if the people who believed it didn't constantly shove it down our throats and make it seem like people are unreasonable naive children for thinking we'll get 3 more unique newcomers.

Even the comment Sakurai told us in Famitsu doesn't really swing the pendulum either way.

THANK YOU lol

I'm not "in denial" for not believing a mockup of a box has told us literally everything we need to know about the remainder of the Smash Bros content
 

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Honestly the only reason to doubt the Box Theory before was that it didn't leave room for Shadow, and Verge contradicted it. Now we know that Shadow could be a semi-clone and Verge is a fraud, so there's no real reason not to believe the box theory.
 

ShinobiBk

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They could have just straight up removed Skull Kid like they did with Isaac in Smash For.
Would be weird but it's not unprecedented.
 

Apopheniac

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MM being considered the hot new Zelda despite being a remake when BotW was known about for years (and at one point had 2015 as the scheduled release date) is weird to me, particularly given that we've seen plenty of BotW-oriented content (Link overhaul, new stage, Kirby transformation) while Young Link thus far is almost entirely OoT-derived
 

ResetGreyWolf

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Hey what's up with the poll? "Still have a shot"? Has there been any recent developments/rumours/leaks that Incineroar won't make it after all?
 

Metto

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MM3D was a bigger deal with far more changes, it was something people had been requesting ever since OoT3D

Eh not really. Both games got a fair bit of fanfare and were released closer to announcement. They both even had special editions with MM having a Skull Kid figure and TP having a Wolf Link and Midna Amiibo.

Maybe he had more ideas for Skull Kid

Maybe Skull Kid did better in the ballot

Maybe he feels Skull Kid has a future in the Zelda series
I'm not sure what Skull Kid can do that Midna also can't do. Not to mention Midna had a more defined kit even in combat where Skull Kid kind of just... laughs I guess

Doubtful he did that much better than Midna in the Ballot as neither seemed to headline much even within the Smash community

Also doubtful and doesn't feel like something that Sakurai would decide to do. It was clear Isabelle was going to be big for Animal Crossing even back in 2015. I don't even think Skull Kids would even appear in Breath of the Wild.
 

Metto

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A Newcomer is paired with a new song on the blog and the time between E3 reveal and release makes it seem unlikely we would get duplicates.

We got K Rool, Simon, and Isabelle with new songs on the blog following their reveal and it's especially important with Isabelle because the AC song got delayed with her.

This would also mean that a Pokemon, Skull Kid, and Bandana Dee probably might not make the roster due to them wanting to reveal the character with the song.
 

sayuuna

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They could have just straight up removed Skull Kid like they did with Isaac in Smash For.
Would be weird but it's not unprecedented.

Well... Isaac, comparatively, would be a lovely contribution to the Smash universe. Not only would it be a nod to those who enjoy a little bit of RPG essence, it would give a good few within the fairytale-believing fanbase a bit of hope as far as the net code and gameplay specifications, given the amount of precision point accuracy they would have to assign to his skill move-set. I would, hence, much rather observe this sort of introduction than some of the names I have been seeing around here, like Incineroar(?) who I truly do not believe belongs in the Smash Universe.

Of course, this is simply my opinion on the matter. The game aspects are what truly make this game so remarkable, and excellent in its fame!
 

Apopheniac

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I honestly think they just cut the AT

Skull Kid's AT was pretty lame and generic, and the Moon falling is a lot more iconic than Skull Kid fucking up your controls

everything else mentioned seems like it's circumstantial at best held over from when people listened to loz18
 

ShinobiBk

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I'm pretty sure Mario series will get 2 songs cause they had 2 separate Mushrooms in the menu. The timing lines up very nicely for Forest Maze and Geno
Just saying

I think Geno is in
 
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