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I actually totally agree. Forza Motorsport 8 needs some serious new and exciting things pumped into it because Horizon is really outpacing the main franchise.

It looks like Turn 10 is going to be waiting to develop FM8 until next generation which is a good thing. Give it time.

Forza Motorsport 7 and Forza Horizon 4 look insane on Xbox One X, all this in 4K. I can't imagine what they could do with 3-4 years development time on a more powerful console...
 

Lothars

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At this point Horizon feels bigger than Motorsport, and isn't a knock against that game, but playground managed to create something really special
It's because it is, I don't have faith in turn 10 because I haven't liked a mainline forza since 4 but I will stand by the fact that all the horizon games are worth playing.
 

Gestault

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I actually totally agree. Forza Motorsport 8 needs some serious new and exciting things pumped into it because Horizon is really outpacing the main franchise.

It looks like Turn 10 is going to be waiting to develop FM8 until next generation which is a good thing. Give it time.

I've been enjoying the drip-drip-drip of new feature expansions for FM7 the last couple quarters, and I thought it was *great* news when they said they weren't starting in on a new one in the near future. Breaking the two-year cycle for the Motorsport games and using that as an opportunity to expand on what's already there has made me happy. I'm still playing it as a result. Also, I happen to like drag racing and getting all-flag leaderboards and penalty lines for time-attack.
 

Chris.

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At this point Horizon feels bigger than Motorsport, and isn't a knock against that game, but playground managed to create something really special
It is. Horizon just has a better developer on it now imo and it appeals more to casuals

Horizon is probably their most important exclusive atm
 

Benji

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Honestly I think the main Forza Motorsport series needs to start developing a lot more original tracks. I get they are striving for realism, and there definitely should be plenty of real world race tracks in the game. But each iteration feels like its adding too few new locations and by going with more original tracks they can really push the boundaries more in terms of design. Also they probably could use a major overhaul of career mode to make it more interesting
 

Monkeyball

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I wish I could enjoy racing games. It looks really good, but I always get bored around 10 minutes of driving around.

What keeps people interested in games like these?
 

Gestault

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Honestly I think the main Forza Motorsport series needs to start developing a lot more original tracks. I get they are striving for realism, and there definitely should be plenty of real world race tracks in the game. But each iteration feels like its adding too few new locations and by going with more original tracks they can really brush the boundaries more in terms of design. Also they probably could use a major overhaul of career mode to make it more interesting

Even the variety of real-world tracks, while very good, could go for lesser-known settings and get a lot out of it. Honestly, get some of the oddball low-rent tracks from the Northeast and Midwest US. Have a career mode that starts in those settings, with cars and paint jobs you'd likely see there, and have progression through the well-known world class tracks as the reward.
 

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I might sub a month on Gamepass just to give it a try on PC, but I doubt i'll stick with it because I felt the festival atmosphere and zaniness was incredibly offputting in FH3.
 

Devious

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Playground Games be like:

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Honestly I think the main Forza Motorsport series needs to start developing a lot more original tracks. I get they are striving for realism, and there definitely should be plenty of real world race tracks in the game. But each iteration feels like its adding too few new locations and by going with more original tracks they can really push the boundaries more in terms of design. Also they probably could use a major overhaul of career mode to make it more interesting

I agree, there's a reason people wanted comebacks like Maple Valley for a while. People love a good fictional track, and in fact I'm sure most fans would appreciate some hardcore fantasy-esque setting thing too, or a track with loops and shit. They loved the Hot Wheels expansion in Horizon and they eat up the tracks in the skies that GTA Online has, so Forza Motorsport could also have wacky stuff in unrealistic locations as long as the gameplay keeps feeling believeable.
 

cakely

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At this point Horizon feels bigger than Motorsport, and isn't a knock against that game, but playground managed to create something really special

Forza Horizon is more accessible, better reviewed, and better looking the games in the main Forza series, and as a result Forza Horizon has been selling more copies.
 

RowdyReverb

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I don't even play racing games really, never had much of a taste for them. But when I tried Forza Horizon 3 earlier this year I was completely hooked. It really says something about the dev when they can attract and engage somebody who isn't already a fan of the genre. Can't wait to play FH4
 

Benji

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I wish I could enjoy racing games. It looks really good, but I always get bored around 10 minutes of driving around.

What keeps people interested in games like these?

Main thing is Forza Horizon is nothing like any other racing series really. The open worlds are incredible to just drive around and explore. The races themselves are very creative in mixing off road and on road racing together. And also the Horizon games just have this amazing "feel" to them through the combination of an amazing soundtrack and the festival story / atmosphere. Pair it all with outstanding graphics and yeah they are a hell of a package
 

shaneo632

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Have barely touched my Xbox One this year so looking forward to playing this on Game Pass. May as well give State of Decay 2 a try while I'm at it.
 

RoKKeR

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I also got the Ultimate Edition.

I want to support my favorite title of this generation. I also want to own it no questions asked if and when my Game Pass expires even if it is good through 2020 right now thanks to all those deals that were posted.

Still, I just felt like I had to support. Also not going to lie, being able to play it this Friday was a nice incentive, although not the make or break part of it. But it is nice. Also sured up with DLC, VIP, Car Pass. It was a win win. Primarily I really did want to support though. They deserve it.
The UE includes the planned DLC expansions, right? That being the case I might just jump on it.
 

Gestault

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I wish I could enjoy racing games. It looks really good, but I always get bored around 10 minutes of driving around.

What keeps people interested in games like these?

Horizon games scratch an itch for exploring, collecting, and showboating, alongside a flashy take on event racing. Music and showmanship get used in really clever ways, including references to broader pop-culture through things like the Bucketlist challenges. It has hooks and rewards for things like photography and tuning that are totally optional but there if they catch your attention, and they go out of their way to capture the spirit of the setting in an amazing way. The driving mechanics are flexible but grounded, especially with a controller, in a way not a lot of racers manage.
 
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Thanks for posting mine! Enjoy the title guys
I have to say your review this time is not as good as I hoped it would be. No mention of VIP pass, car pass, also mentioning that there are over 400 cars which is wrong. base game buyers only get 250 while you have to pay the 100 euro pricetag to get all cars. also why are you not critizicing that you have to pay 100 euros to play the game early?

also the most important part missing from your review: vip pass people get double the amount of points after races so they can unlock cars at a normal rate while normal buyers have to grind the double amount...
 

Huey

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Not shocked, this is the defining racing series of the generation. So frustrated that it's exclusive lol
 

Namtox

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Two years ago Forza Horizon 3 was the first game I covered as a writer, now I'm able to stream it and cover it live for all of you wonderful people! Going live at https://www.twitch.tv/namtox so feel free to stop in and ask me anything. No matter how big or small.
Will be starting fresh on the X.
 

Gestault

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Gamesradar said:
...new emotes that you can win on the prize spinner, which - when coupled with ludicrous outfits - make for painfully cringeworthy pre- and post-race taunts. It's totally at odds with the solemnity of the location and feels crass.

LMAO
 

Lothars

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Have barely touched my Xbox One this year so looking forward to playing this on Game Pass. May as well give State of Decay 2 a try while I'm at it.
State of decay 2 is a great game as well, definitely worth playing both of them.

What? You do realize turn10 is responsible and works on both series right?
Yes but doesn't mean they haven't dropped the ball on the mainline forza games continously.
 
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Welfare

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Wow, to think Forza Horizon would be Microsoft's highest rated franchise this gen. Amazing scores.

Playground Games will be the studio to look at for next gen and their Fable game.
 

Gowans

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I have to say your review this time is not as good as I hoped it would be. No mention of VIP pass, car pass, also mentioning that there are over 400 cars which is wrong. base game buyers only get 250 while you have to pay the 100 euro pricetag to get all cars. also why are you not critizicing that you have to pay 100 euros to play the game early?

also the most important part missing from your review: vip pass people get double the amount of points after races so they can unlock cars at a normal rate while normal buyers have to grind the double amount...
Thats not correct at all. Also you can't have your statement both ways that VIP get 'Double' but get credits at the normal rate.

There has never been a grind in Horizon without the VIP, the VIP is a boost to race cr rewards yeah but the standard version throws stuff at you at a clip.
 

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Playground Games had me by the balls the moment they released the demo for the first Forza Horizon to be honest. 2 was a little disappointing (1 was better and progression system was horrible in 2) but overall it's still hands down my favourite modern franchise.
 

Gestault

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I have to say your review this time is not as good as I hoped it would be. No mention of VIP pass, car pass, also mentioning that there are over 400 cars which is wrong. base game buyers only get 250 while you have to pay the 100 euro pricetag to get all cars. also why are you not critizicing that you have to pay 100 euros to play the game early?

also the most important part missing from your review: vip pass people get double the amount of points after races so they can unlock cars at a normal rate while normal buyers have to grind the double amount...

Enough here is wrong, it's almost hard to unpack. For example, as far as I know, the launch car count is 460, which doesn't include DLC and Forza Edition variants. The Car Pass is for post-launch vehicle add-ons. And grinding has simply never been an issue in the Horizon games. If anything, you have some who think it's a little too easy-going with handing out prizes.
 
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Rodelero

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Indeed. Motorsport, while still impressive (7 on the X looks and feels insanely cool, and I personally loved the lootbox system as it had a risk vs reward thing going for it without involving real money), just feels relatively stale - but in the end, it's a simcade, there's only so much you can do after a while, and in fact it's not that GT: Sport or Project CARS have these incredible never seen before features either. On the other hand there's Horizon just rewriting the rules of what's possible in an open world (racer or not) with every chapter, making you feel like a completionist and pitting people against each other in everything, from proper multiplayer to jump lenghts, combos, custom events and more. It's like the ultimate car party where you do whatever you want, and more serious circuit-based racers absolutely can not have this level of freedom or creativity, thus of fun anymore. They can always become more immersive and more realistic, but at this point I feel that Horizon is the main Forza series because it can stay fresh.

I think it's kinda interesting to think of it as a venn diagram. You've got that massive overlap, but when you think of the things that characterise Motorsport, they're so much weaker than the things that characterise Horizon. Turn 10 need to focus more on the features that differentiate Motorsport from Forza as a whole. They need to stop looking at 'Motorsport' as a name, and start making it a reality. They need to look at what Gran Turismo Sport is doing/trying to do with the Sport mode - while GT Sport has a lot of issues the actual idea for multiplayer is really strong. They should try to actually license motorsports, rather than just cars and tracks so they can have authentic, rule based races, taking inspiration from the original GRID game. I also think they should really consider the caRPG side of the game, because as popular as it is, it's anathema to motorsport and balanced races.
 

Starlatine

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I watched his video and his explanation is spot on really. If I buy this game then getting the base game is just not an option with all that added stuff, so calling it the "poverty pack" is something I'd agree with.

This is ridiculous. Of course it is an option. Are you equally outraged with the silver - gold - platinum editions of ubisoft games? Hell scratch that, ANY game that offers a season pass? Do you also call them "poverty packs"?