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Why is the windows store such a piece of sh**?
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Oh, so now it's about quantity? The argument presented was they were doing a better job and my answer was are they? Those games are in fact even more limited as Microsoft has been open to mod support more so, example being Fallout. I still fail to see what is so terrible about Windows store. I have heard they control pricing, which EA and Activation and Bethesda do as well, same with consoles. The other drawback is mod support, what mod support is allowed in Destiny 2 or FIFA? So out of the three console suppliers only one of them is actually supporting the PC so to me something is better than nothing and seeing as how I don't really care about mod support it's not that big of a deal. Sure it's a big deal to some but is that enough to boycott?
Yes, and Valve does not sell consoles. Do you not see why Microsoft would take a more console like approach to its software like Activision is doing with Destiny 2 or EA and Origin?
See, that's the dilemma YOU put yourself in. You won't buy an Xbox One because it doesn't have enough games and you won't support Xbox games on Windows because of the nature of how they are encrypted and other excuses. So as I was saying, your principles are only as good as the napkin they were written on because YOU DO support encrypted games already with NO MOD SUPPORT and are only using the excuse that Sony and Nintendo don't put their games on the PC. See, now it's about the games so obviously mod support and limited functions/features/settings are really not that important to you after all . You are essentially punishing the developers just because they work for Microsoft. Good job. The PC version of games like Forza Horizon 4 can actually run better than the console version, so tell me again what the real problem is because I cannot play Driveclub over 30fps or mod it, which is something you would support. Makes no sense to me so maybe you can explain it to me one more time?
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The "vision" presented is Play Anywhere.
I didn't name that initiative that.
But its not "play anywhere" is it?
What selected titles MS release don't play nicely with the tools PC gamers are already using for things like friends lists, voice chat, screenshots, video captures, etc. They only play nicely with the tools MS wants people to use.
They don't work - at all - on any version of Windows that is not 10, and any version of Windows 10 that is not patched to the latest version are problematic to say the least.
They will happily sell Gamepass to Windows 10 users, but it is an empty shell that is not worth what is being asked for it.
And happy Xbox owners will chime in and say "but its not for PC owners, they're not meant to buy it" here.
But what is a PC gamer expected to conclude from that, if not that MS don't really give much of a fuck about PC gamers when compared to Xbox gamers?
And they can tease "console quality streaming to any device!" as some upcoming feature they're hard at work at, so that maybe sometime down the line Pc gamers can get some Xbox scraps.
Meanwhile Sony are offering all that shit to PC gamers right now. PC gamers on a Microsoft platform called Windows.
So yes. Sonys Playstation brand is offering more to a gamer on a MS platform than MS themselves are. Right now. Not in some hypothetical future.
Do you not see how ridiculous that is? Doesn't it make those words of how 'important' PC gaming is to the Xbox division ring a little hollow?
Fallout is not available on the W10 appstore. If it was, it would be as crippled by the limitations - limitations by design - of UWA just as other titles are.
I really do not give a shit how 'open' MS are to 'modding' on an Xbox.
I don't own an Xbox. I have no desire to own an Xbox.
My PC is not only better than any Xbox currently is, its better than any Xbox ever will be.
There is zero reason to ever be talking about "xbox" in any topic about PC gaming.
Nobody questions the Xbox divisions commitment to Xbox.
You don't need officially sanctioned developer support to mod Pc games.
Like... that's the point.
That's how PC gamers can get quickfixes to problems without waiting for an official patch.
Or re-enable titles that have been broken and get them running again without waiting for a 'remaster'.
Or make aesthetic tweaks like removing piss filters, or chromatic abberation, or injecting new methods of Anti-aliasing.
Or use an engine and assets to create an entirely new game out of what already exists.
Destiny 2 is an MMO and deliberately tries to prevent mods, because the mods people would be most interested in are those that affect other people, it being an MMO. If it had a single player campaign, people would be running wild with it.
There are a ton of mods for FIFA. Just google FIFA mods.
All Sony is offering is a streaming service with subpar quality. I tried it and the input lag was noticeable and so was the compression, yet you are trying to convince PC gamers this is good? This is somehow preferred to playing Forza Horizon 4 on the PC? Are you serious? You can only now, after many years, download the games on your PS4, not the PC. So you essentially have a inferior backwards comparability band-aide to offer PC gamers.
Your PC must be better than your PS4 or Switch as well, right? So all your reasons like mod support don't seem to matter now do they if you buy games for your PS4 or Switch? Why are you able to give up those features now and support the PS4 or Switch? Like I said, Microsoft never had games like Forza Horizon on the PC, now they do and it will run better on your PC than any PS4 or Switch game. Now tell me again what your priorities are and where your principles lie?
See, this is why I keep going back to consoles. Yes it would be better if Microsoft offered those things but again how much are you willing to sacrifice? To me it sounds like a lot because you already do when you buy PS4 and Switch titles. Again this centers back to content. If the content is good, like you are already suggesting for your PS4 and Switch, then you will put up with certain things. Which is exactly what I am doing on my Windows PC and like you are ALREADY doing for your PS4 and Switch. Not only that but my Forza 4 demo plays better than any PS4 or Switch title, so tell me again how I'm losing here? I'm losing because I can't have mod support which you don't have on your PS4 or Switch either?
If you only supported open titles on an open platform then you'd have my respect, but that's not the case now is it?
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I'm not trying to 'convince' anyone.
I'm saying it is ludicrous that Playstation are offering more to PC gamers on a microsoft platform than MS themselves are.
Yes.
Switch has portability going for it, but I have zero desire to buy a PS4 for the exact same reason I have zero desire to buy an Xbox.
I don't give a fuck about what consoles do.
I own a PC.
If you think this is about 'console wars', you are hugely mistaken.
Good for you!
And MS have a product that is made exactly for you!
I don't want that product.
I did not buy a PC to have a more expensive console.
Why is it fine for MS to try and make PC gaming more like a console, when they are already selling a console for people that want a console?
I don't want a console.
Why are you even talking about consoles in a topic about the problems with the W10 appstore in the first place?
If I wanted an "Xbox like experience" I would buy an Xbox.
Seriously though, I have no idea. You think it would be a much more attractive proposition to the customer if it actually, ya know, worked well? I dont know how this logic escapes microsoft.
Playstation Now offers more? Awesome, a streaming service with no mod support, no options, noticeable input lag, and compressed visuals. Great response.
The answer to this topic was in post #4, it's been patched.
Seriously though, I have no idea. You think it would be a much more attractive proposition to the customer if it actually, ya know, worked well? I dont know how this logic escapes microsoft.
Works fine for me, sorry it doesn't work so well for you.
Yes. For all those flaws its still better value for money than GamePass is for Pc owners.
You asked why people have problems with the W10 appstore, but you don;t actually want to read the reasons why. You'd rather just whatabout other consoles.
Continue to remain mystified why people who don;t want an Xbox continue to not want Xbox-lite, I guess.
Its really shitty on the xbone as well. I just got one at the beginning of the month and there was at least 2 times where it goes so slow i legit thought my console froze up
Yes. For all those flaws its still better value for money than GamePass is for Pc owners.
You asked why people have problems with the W10 appstore, but you don;t actually want to read the reasons why. You'd rather just whatabout other consoles.
Continue to remain mystified why people who don;t want an Xbox continue to not want Xbox-lite, I guess.
You already explained, lack of mod support and you don't like Windows 10. Have fun with Playstation Now instead I guess.
I mean, if you want to willfully ignore what I'm saying, sure. You got it all figured out.
Its literally that attitude which is the reason why it continues to be a storefront nobody particularly wants to use, and fewer still want to be successful.
Theres a long list of 'easy wins' MS could to to reduce pain points in PC gaming.
They just don;t give a shit, because Xbox owners don't give a shit about fellow gamers who are also gaming on an MS platform.
I just got my XB1 this week, I really do love a lot of things about it. Its a sleek piece of hardware and its got amazing features the competition doesn't have but I'm honestly shocked how shitty the entire UI and storefront is. Its a fucking nightmare and its really night and day compared to the simplicity of the PS4 and Switch vs whatever this clusterfuck is. The lack of a wish list was the cherry on top. I have no idea how on earth they expect new people to find anything on the store.
Other than the poor way the library/owned content is shown, it's basically on par with any other publisher client for me. Haven't had any major issues with it.
Pretty much all windows desktop software recently is shit. Try opening the right click menu in the "modern" calculator. Can't even get that stuff right.
And then there's their ui.
There aren't even words that can describe how much I hate their flat space eating ui design.
And then there's their ui.
There aren't even words that can describe how much I hate their flat space eating ui design.
Would you agree that things like not knowing the progress of a download is not fine?
I don't have a huge issue with not allowing mod support etc. I'll gladly use the store if it's the only way to play Xbox games without an Xbox. But, there are a staggering number of reports of weird download or installation errors. Hell, I had to download Forza Horizon 3 twice to make it work.
It just doesn't seem like the store is well set up for managing games, and they've had plenty of time to fix it.
Do you agree with that general appraisal?
I already got in shit from Xbox fans for suggesting Game pass isn't very good on the PC. The response was it's made for Xbox. So yes, I do understand where you are coming from in certain areas. When I bought Forza Horizon 3 it was a stuttering mess, took months to fix it, so again I felt the issues first hand. What I'm saying is even with that it's still better than before because in the past there was no option period. Plays better than the console versions. Fast forward to today and my Forza Horizon 4 experience was pretty much flawless. I got Recore Definitive edition for cheap. Ori plays beautifully and I look forward to the next one. Halo Wars 1 and 2 I enjoy, no problems. Didn't like Sea of Thieves and State of Decay 2 was alright, nothing special but I got to play both for $10 during a one month game Pass.
See, life ain't too bad. I am going to play Forza Horizon 4, have over 140 games on Steam plus a few others through Blizzard and Origin.Come to think of it life is actually pretty good.
I can only speak for myself. When State of Decay 2 came out I downloaded it through Game Pass. It was taking awhile so I decided to turn the PC off and try again later. I couldn't resume my download, had to do it all over again. Pretty stupid. Game Pass would not indicate Gears of War 4 was available, could only buy it. Tried a few times, same thing. Hours later decided to try again and now the option to download was there through my Game Pass subscription. Clunky.
Yes, growing pains. Yes it could be better. Yes I hope they get their act together. Yes I worry about the next Age of Empires. Is this all so terrible to ignore games like Forza Horizon 4? No. Would I pay full price of Game Pass? No, I don't have an Xbox One. If I did sure, great bargain. I got 6 months for $30 so to me the value was worth it on the PC now.
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you may not speak for others on that front no
i think that bolded line alone shows you have no idea what people's issues are, or more likely you do because you've read them, you just think theyre saying them because they hate microsoft or some console warz garbage instead of being genuine problems for some
if any store provided the best user experience it would be used by a majority of people who game on pc. period. regardless of what it was or who made it. it doesnt have to be steam. it could be uplay for all anyone cares
We're pretty much on the same page. I'll deal with a few issues to play the games I want.
I really just want them to get it into a shape where errors are rare, and things basically work as they should for most people.
I've barely used the store, but have run into some issues with the the Forza Horizon 4 demo.
1: The download seems to have some corrupt files, and there is no way to verify the integrity of the files or repair.
2: Weirdly, as I navigate the store, I can't scroll down, it will scroll down a little bit then immediately snap back to the top of the page.
Anyway, it seems really half baked. Windows 10 has been pretty nice, feels polished, and stable. But going into the store it seems like they just don't care much about it.
1: The download seems to have some corrupt files, and there is no way to verify the integrity of the files or repair.
2: Weirdly, as I navigate the store, I can't scroll down, it will scroll down a little bit then immediately snap back to the top of the page.
Anyway, it seems really half baked. Windows 10 has been pretty nice, feels polished, and stable. But going into the store it seems like they just don't care much about it.
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Please enlighten me how pressing the install button and then the install automatically starts and fucks up is user error. Fucking nonsense.
And please don't act like I don't know how computers work. I put this one together myself.
I wish you all would tweet Phil about the Xbox console UI , as someone who worked on the Xbox 360 dashboard , I just cannot get over the UI on Xbox one which I think is a bigger issue than the Windows store lol.
I'm just not the type of person to run outside on a sunny day and yell at the sky to rain. I'm much more logic based and realize you can affect big corporations in a few ways. Posting on era is less likely to have impact.
MS is most likely not counting on PC revenue from non Xbox users; it's a bonus for them which is why the whole program has been designed as a extension for Xbox users. Over time they will see there is interest from PC only owners and will need to update their strategy and execute from the POV of that user. I hope that happens soon.
If you have issues with the store blocking you from using a purchase I know there has been a user on Era from that team that has been willing to help or try to escalate.
Having an issue with Forza , try the current threads as people on Era have been helpful, check T10 forums to see if it's being reported, beyond that you can PM me and I can elevate it to the team and see if they are aware or have any workarounds so you can play. (Note my reply may be delayed as I'm swamped and then OOF for conferences most of the week)
I check out these threads to help where I can but I'm retired from arguing over company direction and strategy , I paid my dues internally already lol.
I'm just not the type of person to run outside on a sunny day and yell at the sky to rain. I'm much more logic based and realize you can affect big corporations in a few ways. Posting on era is less likely to have impact.
MS is most likely not counting on PC revenue from non Xbox users; it's a bonus for them which is why the whole program has been designed as a extension for Xbox users. Over time they will see there is interest from PC only owners and will need to update their strategy and execute from the POV of that user. I hope that happens soon.
If you have issues with the store blocking you from using a purchase I know there has been a user on Era from that team that has been willing to help or try to escalate.
Having an issue with Forza , try the current threads as people on Era have been helpful, check T10 forums to see if it's being reported, beyond that you can PM me and I can elevate it to the team and see if they are aware or have any workarounds so you can play. (Note my reply may be delayed as I'm swamped and then OOF for conferences most of the week)
I check out these threads to help where I can but I'm retired from arguing over company direction and strategy , I paid my dues internally already lol.
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They seem to understand that a console experience on PC was the wrong approach if Phil Spencer's E3 interviews are anything to go by. Whether or not they value these PC only customers enough to follow through and improve their store... we'll have to wait and see. It seems to be in the interest of their current focus in regards to Xbox though, to reach as many gamers as they can on all devices.
Lately the talk/rumors from MS seems to be streaming, mobile, traditional console, and PC. They want money from 'all' of the billions of gamers out there. I'm hoping PC isn't on the bottom of the priority list since I think they could offer a decent experience if they wanted to.
On topic, I've had some quirks with the Wstore but it's been better for me with the updates. I do like being able to play MS first party games on PC at release even with their limitations. I mean I would jump through any amount of hoops necessary if I could do the same for exclusive games on other platforms which I currently can't play at all.
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I wanted to buy FH 3 for the longest time. But I won't put money on that store. Did it with KI. Not doing it again.
And they are showing the price in EUROS??? When I live in South America?
I don't care if it's because some setting I forgot to change. Steam asked nothing and I get pricing on my local currency. I don't get issues when downloading my games. Don't have to use the stupid xbox app which will fail to connect more often than not. Not gonna throw money at this just to spend time browsing reddit troubleshooting their bullshit.
And they are showing the price in EUROS??? When I live in South America?
I don't care if it's because some setting I forgot to change. Steam asked nothing and I get pricing on my local currency. I don't get issues when downloading my games. Don't have to use the stupid xbox app which will fail to connect more often than not. Not gonna throw money at this just to spend time browsing reddit troubleshooting their bullshit.
It's not exactly a dilemma for me. I love both AAA and indie games, and I have a fulltime job, a wife, a kid and a healthy social life. Because of all this, there are much more games I'd like to play than I have actually time to play them. My backlog and wishlist are huge. This gives me the "luxury" to be picky about what games I spend my money on an what not. This doesn't apply to the Windows Store only; I'm done with supporting EA as well because of all the anti-consumer crap they constantly try to pull off for example.
Mod support and limited functions/features/settings are important to me: that's why I buy almost every multiplatform game on PC instead of console. It sucks when a game isn't available on PC, I'd love to play Driveclub in 1440p@144fps for example. But buying a game on console is a lot less likely to have a major impact on the nature and future of PC gaming than supporting the Windows Store in it's current state. Microsoft isn't pushing their Store and UWP for 1st party games only; they want 3rd party devs and publishers in there as well and they are happy to use exclusivity and marketing deals to achieve that goal. The main reason why this isn't working out for them is because the majority of PC gamers refuses to use the Windows Store.
There are huge impacts by supporting consoles if you're at all interested in the greater good of PC's, you're just being naive at this point. Everything you said contradicts your reasoning for not supporting Windows store. Price gouging, membership fees just to play online, exclusive deals to sell hardware, lack of mod support, giving players options. How did the deal between Sony and Bungie/Activision help you for Destiny on the PC? How does Nintendo help the PC? How does supporting Red Dead Redemption 2 and multiple other console exclusives help the PC platform? You don't think they too have done or are practicing anti-consumer practices?
You would have integrity if you just stuck with PC gaming. You don't. It's as simple as that. Nobody is stopping you on your crusade to bring awareness on Windows Store. The more awareness the more likely they will fix the problems but your issues go beyond technical ones and that is where you lose support from people like me. Especially when you don't practice what you preach.
Oh my god, I thought it was just me. YES, I had this issue last night and it drove me absolutely fucking nuts. Was trying to redownload the Forza Horizon 4 demo and the file size just wouldn't stop inflating... It'd reach the max size and just keep going, by the time I finally downloaded it the size had reached 90GB. In the end it turns out that the Microsoft Store is just completely broken, and it's not actually downloading the size it says it is... You just have to let it complete and ignore the progress bar, which is totally unhelpful and shit but it's the only way.
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Yes, it really is dumb. And for people telling us to get over it? Would you accept these kinds of errors on the ps store or Xbox store or would you want them fixed? That's your answer to this. So don't try to defend it. They've had six years to iron out these annoyances but they're still here. Six years.
Console exclusives don't help the PC platform, but barely damage it neither. Not being able to play a certain game on PC is peanuts compared to the impact of Microsofts plans to turn PC gaming into console gaming.
You're free to think that way and I respect your opinion. But I don't agree with it. I don't see how buying console games can have a major impact on the open nature of PC gaming. Despite the huge success of consoles, PC gaming is healthier and better than ever.
But I am convinced that supporting an ecosystem that tries to lock down PC gaming WILL damage PC gaming, especially when it's done by the owner of the OS that's required for most PC games. So I won't stop my "crusade" to make people aware of this. What they do with this information is up to them of course.
There's nothing more to be said here.
Which is why it's nonsensical to bring other console manufacturers who don't mess with PC gaming into this discussion regarding the windows store not being fit for purpose (and the possible reasons why that's still the case after all this time). "At least they sell their games on PC" is not a good arguement. If they are going to do that then they should do it properly.
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So....State of Decay 2 is up to 110GB now and cancelling it and restarting it keeps it at this level.
You would think for a company with major app store envy they would try a little harder to get the "app store" part right. Yet the focus always seems to be bending customers to their business model (privacy defaults of Win10, Firefox/Chrome installer interception, WIn10S, etc). How about creating a service so good people actually want to use it?
This. MS are capable of greatness. Visual Studio and the .Net platform are industry leading tools I love using as part of my job. Using XP and Windows 7 was an absolute treat, because it treated me like a competent, valued owner of their software. Xbox Live made console online good, and set the standard for the industry. BC on the Xbone is an act of sheer engineering excellence.
Some recent efforts from MS like their phones and the Store feel like half-baked brainfarts made by the work experience kid, and are completely unworthy of Microsoft's pedigree and history. Also they need to f#@$ off with their privacy invasion. Get back to their roots; providing a great experience for the gaming power user.
If you are willing to put up with no mod support, third party influence/exclusive deals, price fixing to adhere to retailers, even MORE restrictive ways to play (30fps locked) on other consoles, then your argument not to support good console exclusives on the Windows Store becomes all the more questionable. Especially if you won't buy their games on the Xbox One either.
We have already witnessed how many PC gaming staples have shifted to adapt to console gaming styles. We have also seen the developers put their efforts more into console versions and poor PC ports or no PC ports at all. To also say not being able to play on PC is peanuts compared to what Microsoft is doing shows just how biased you are against them. You're still free to play PC games on Steam and other storefronts. If I can't play on PC I have no option other than to buy a console and play the game the way they tell me to, how is that better to me as a PC gamer than Microsoft not allowing mod support for their own titles or price fixing? Trying to get third party? I can give far more examples of Sony doing that than Microsoft yet you don't care because you feel consoles are a totally different breed and shouldn't count. It's ALL relevant.
Sony is not doing the same damn thing? They have been even more aggressive than Microsoft lately yet your response seems to be Sony makes good games so I don't care. It's hypocritical to be supporting them, then come on the forums and be disgusted with Microsoft and their PC efforts and act like they are so anti-consumer with their monopolistic ways while you support another company doing the exact same thing, if not worse like locking Fortnite accounts. Mentioning Sony is in no way shape or form to fuel consoles wars, it is to give context and perspective of how the industry works and how they too put business well ahead of your concerns as a consumer. Their influence among third party is having far more reaching levels of impact than the Windows Store is but Sony makes good games???
You want the focus to remain on how unethical Microsoft is ahead of the issues with the Microsoft store on a technical level which is what this topic is supposed to be about. That's why I said the word crusade yet that somehow eclipsed you. If you want to chime in and mention the problems with the Store like fullscreen support or no mods, that's fine. That's what this is about. We want the store to be better, but once you start going in the direction like you always do of what Microsoft is trying to do and being anti-consumer that's where I've got you.
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State of decay 2 finally finished and its GB was reset to the GB it should be. Yay! Now I just need to get messaged my Forza 7 and Forza horizon 3 codes....
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Well thank you for your work. I've moved to PC now but the 360 has been my last great console experience and the dashboard played a big part in that. It made me feel at home, in a good environment with my games and my friends. I haven't liked any other console UI like that and I've played on almost every console since the late 80s.
Wait, are we talking about having mod support on Windows Store with UWP and DRM nightmare there??? Ahahahaha....
Edit: Wait, talking about locked down infrastructure for Sony compared to UWP? Ahahaha again. Note the prices on Windows Store!
Didn't want to make my own thread, but seriously, fuck the windows store. Fresh install of windows and it won't let me download anything. Just gives a generic error.
Fuck you, MS.
Fuck you, MS.