Yeah, but they still produced great games this gen and without them I don't think they'd have had the massive success they're now having.
For now at least yeah, most Xbox fans are eager for the fresh start the next box will bring.
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PS4 Documentary: How Sony Became the King of Consoles Again
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Yeah, but they still produced great games this gen and without them I don't think they'd have had the massive success they're now having.
For now at least yeah, most Xbox fans are eager for the fresh start the next box will bring.
This post needs some paragraph breaks :)
And while sony have had some luck this gen, they've also put out an incredibly strong body of work this gen. They took a chance on VR which I think is a brave and bold move, but also kept delivering the "non-disappointing exclusives" as you put it, which I think is a bit of cynical way to look at games like Horizon, God of war and spider-man.
Console warring is banned on Era, but when the video is literally about how Sony won this gen's console war, I would deem that fairly acceptable, no?
I did watch the documentary, it was ok. We knew all that stuff but is nice to get the exact timeline.
I didn't read the whole thread though...people were afraid it would turn out into a console war but I don't think so. What is there to fight about? Maybe 2 years ago it wasn't clear but right now it's obvious, having sold twice as much consoles.
I didn't read the whole thread though...people were afraid it would turn out into a console war but I don't think so. What is there to fight about? Maybe 2 years ago it wasn't clear but right now it's obvious, having sold twice as much consoles.
This.. People who got PS4 in this gen know what to expect from PS5 the same type of momentum.. Xbox is basically "restarting" with Phil Spencer in my view.
It's just dumb. The documentary seems rather sober and serious and then we have popcorn.gifs.
All they had to do was not be complete shit and sit by idly while watching the dumpster fire that was the entire strategy behind the Xbox One. Not too hard, really.
Exactly. Sony stayed the course, and kept pumping money into their exemplary stable of first party devs, but it was really Microsoft's colossal series of unforced errors on every level possible that cemented Sony's top dog position this gen.
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Seems like a lot of what you're talking about comes from Xbox one fans trying to downplay sony's success this gen. That's fine though, it's probably pretty painful for Xbox diehards, but I personally wouldn't downright call it console-warring.
Eh. It's not about any sides. I don't care. Someone posts a documentary about Sony being successful this gen and then people post popcorn gifs in an anticipation. It just sets an annoying tone. I don't care what side you're on.
Some say it was only MS fucking up that let sony win this gen, but they forget how bad the last 2+ years of the 360 was and how the ps3 came into it's own with the exclusives and playstation plus. They managed to catch the 360 even with the year head start it had. Sony was on a roll way before this gen started.
Ah, ok, I didn't see the popcorn gifs. You're right, it sets a bad tone. I think popcorn gifs were banned in the old place. Can see that happening here too in time.
The Last of Us really solidified PlayStation in the hearts and minds of gamers at the end of the gen. Sony's success was all but assured, regardless of what Xbox did.
As x360 user ,Sony started for me in ps3 era.around 2011 to 2012 I understood MS has different vision than what I like to see and I got tired of seeing many games I like to play were PS exclusives.so I switched sides.i went from ps1 to Xbox to xbox360 to ps3 to PS4 .but Sony made me a believer in their first party.its just my cup of tea where as the other 2 are definitely not .so ps5 is earned by sony from me and not earned because someone else failed .but rather them delivering consistently games I like .
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Indeed, and it was a huge gamble to release a new IP like that at the end of the gen, but it really paid off for them. They showed dedication to the existing fan base on the ps3 and gave everyone a glimpse at what was to come on ps4.
They nailed it from day one. Probably the best PS console and for me, also the possibly the best console I've ever owned. Certainly up there with the PS2 as GOAT console.
Still, Sony has some work to do for the PS5 to be as much as a success. Backwards compatibility with all PS4 software, cross play with other platforms and the ability to change PSN usernames are just some of the features I want to see in the PS5.
Still, Sony has some work to do for the PS5 to be as much as a success. Backwards compatibility with all PS4 software, cross play with other platforms and the ability to change PSN usernames are just some of the features I want to see in the PS5.
Yep. Around this time X360 exclusives started to dry up. X360 peaked from launch to 09/10, after that Sony started to hit their stride and this continued over to PS4.
Yeah, the part I quoted was a hint the rest didn't deserve a response or read, lol.
Yeah I think alot of people are forgetting that 2013 Sony was mainly coasting on the momentum/hype they had been building since 2009. Sony was already back on top by the time PS4 came out, as TLOU I think will demonstrate. They kept a laser focus with marketing the PS4 which paid off when compared to the scattershot of the XB1. Similarly, MS was also reaping what they had sowed since 2011ish when their first party output dropped off a cliff. The current situation between the two show just how disparate their positions are with regards to software, but it's only the logical conclusion to what has been occurring for nearly a decade
Do these people realise that there's literally no point in history when XB was consistently more popular than PS? There's literally an air of "MS will show Sony next gen"...kind of reminds me of this;
It helped, but all the decisions that Sony made that led to their success (x86, dev friendly, affordable, game focused, etc) were already cemented long before they knew what MS was doing.
You do understand that Sony's build up to the release of the PS4 with releases coming the same year like Puppeteer, Last of Us, Gran Turismo, God of War:Acesnsion, MLB:the show all paved the way for people knowing what SONY's output is. Which is why it's launch exclusives were pretty mediocre. It wasn't till they releases Second Son, then Bloodborne that the ball started to roll. But once they showed footage of Uncharted, Ratchet and clank, Horizon it was clear why their launch was so shitty. Great games were being worked on and take time.
I think Sony shows that it's worth waiting for when it comes to their first party games.
The only thing the Xbox fuck did for me was make the decision even easier for me and my friends. My 360 was pretty much just a CoD box since 2010, it got a lot of playtime because of that, but I was very underwhelmed with the Xbox brand leading up to the reveal as a whole.
Don't you realise PS1 was only successful because MS made a massive mistake, that being not releasing a console then. If it wasn't for MS, Sony wouldn't have any success.Do these people realise that there's literally no point in history when XB was consistently more popular than PS? There's literally an air of "MS will show Sony next gen"...kind of reminds me of this;
Hahah, that gif is on point.Do these people realise that there's literally no point in history when XB was consistently more popular than PS? There's literally an air of "MS will show Sony next gen"...kind of reminds me of this;
Some people are not acknowledging that everything they say can work both ways. Sony would have to totally f-up for Xbox to have any chance next gen. any success that Xbox have is only down to sony's Negligence and nothing to do with their hard work. Their hypothetical success will only be stumbled upon. Blah blah blah. The best path to walk in these discussions is to give credit where credit is due. Simple as that.
Xbox are doing an unreal job with BC this gen.
See? Not that hard.
The discussion why PS4 is dominating this gen is kinda pointless, unless market-share and brand-loyalty are completely irrelevant factors. Just for comparisson: Sony has sold around 500m Playstations so far whilst MS only around 150m Xboxes...this does at least some work in Sony's favour. Sony, when not screwing up, sells around 100m Playstions in 5 years or so. MS was never going to win Japan and Europe with X1- there was nothing suggesting this trend at the end of last gen. US would've been much closer or Xbox even winning but in the grand scheme of things Playstation still would've reached 100m and Xbox maybe 60m-70m.
I call 2013 ruining everything nothing but a myth, because as a 360-only owner last gen, things started to look bad around 2010 for me.
I call 2013 ruining everything nothing but a myth, because as a 360-only owner last gen, things started to look bad around 2010 for me.
As I mentioned in my earlier post, there are large numbers of XBox 360 owners and fans who started to notice the massive dropoff in exclusive games from 2010 on. How it took them eight years to realize this was a problem and start re-investing in first party games again is beyond me.
The PS4 was always going to outsell the Xbox One. Hell, even with all the screw ups the PS3 always sold faster than the 360. MS only has two legit regions, the US and UK. Sony has worldwide mindshare. The MS screw up did help lose them the US and UK though.
Some good points there. It was crazy last gen how many people I knew who played GTA4 plus their expansions on 360. I can think of 6 people I knew off-hand. By the time 2013 had rolled around, they were all on PS3 playing GTAV instead. I dunno if they all still kept their 360s, but yes, the seeds were sown for xbox's failure very early. TV, TV, TV, Sports, DRM, only cemented it.
Also sony had a couple of new ip's and some of their previous exclusives that are very successful and reviews very well which guarantees sony will have sequels to these game early next gen. Sony is ready for next gen while microsoft is only hoping their new exclusives they are working on now are hits when they release next gen.
They have to compete with spider man 2
God of war 2
Horizon 2
New naughty dog ip
They have to compete with spider man 2
God of war 2
Horizon 2
New naughty dog ip
I don't even get what there is to console war about? I mean sales are kind of indisputable for the gen and this is about sales basically.
Yep, it's all been fairly tame.
But when next gen launches? Woooo boy
Alot of people in this thread aren't really giving the credit Sony deserves. No it wasn't just a Microsoft fuck up. They pretty much executed their launch perfectly. The early announcement with the console reveal, launching it earlier and in more countries, the focus on games and developers, the cheaper price tag, the specs, and sure there weren't that many launch games, but apart from the PS2 European Launch, when does a console ever launch with that many titles?
And lets not forget that the console delivered in many features where everyone expected Sony to underdeliver. The sharing/streaming/recording features, remote/share play, suspend resume, the ultra fast install times, playing before fully installing, etc. Microsoft basically had to catch up to most of these features and it still isn't quite there on some of them. They basically launched earlier and cheaper and had the more polished/feature complete console.
And lets not forget that the console delivered in many features where everyone expected Sony to underdeliver. The sharing/streaming/recording features, remote/share play, suspend resume, the ultra fast install times, playing before fully installing, etc. Microsoft basically had to catch up to most of these features and it still isn't quite there on some of them. They basically launched earlier and cheaper and had the more polished/feature complete console.
Yea they showed in the past 3 years that their first party output is among some of the best in the industry if not the standard when it comes to tech, animation and story telling.
I saw this brought up multiple times, but the only games Sony announced that have yet to be released are all third party. You can hardly blame Sony for them not being released yet or announced early. It's not up to Sony when these games get announced.
Sony have announced and released a few nostalgic games like parappa, patapon, colossus remake, and finally completed the last guardian. Are there announced 1st party games we're still waiting on?
Third games announced but not released (yet) are Shenmue 3, ff7 remake... and???
Do these people realise that there's literally no point in history when XB was consistently more popular than PS? There's literally an air of "MS will show Sony next gen"...kind of reminds me of this;
I feel like it's a bit cheap to owe most of Sony's success to the competition's mistakes. Saying "Microsoft fucked up. That's the only reason why," just sounds like people are discrediting the work Sony did put into making the PS4 a successful console.
Sony went out of their way to consult with developers and publishers on what they needed in a new console and provided a much better development environment for it, not to mention Sony's open support of indie devs at the time (wish this was something they didn't drop). PS4 was also cheaper, more powerful, smaller, and (arguably) better looking than the competition. And, of course, Sony had a focused message going into the new generation, unlike both Nintendo and Microsoft.
Plus Sony spent years fostering their first party studios, putting out games until the very end, unlike Microsoft (and to a lesser extent, Nintendo) who dropped first party support outside of core franchises for years until the new generation started. The incredible 1st party games in 2013 reassured Playstation owners, and even owners of other consoles at the time (like me), that if you got a Playstation, you would be getting games for it (the Vita is another story though lol). I feel like this in contrast to the dearth of 1st party games available on 360 in its last few years is an underestimated factor. It was the primary reason I switched back to Playstation.
Even if Microsoft didn't screw up, things would still look the same outside of the US/UK. Sony would still be dominating Europe and doing well in Japan. It would probably be closer in America, with Microsoft even selling a bit better, but it wouldn't be a blowout like last gen.
Deriding Sony's successes with the PS4 would be like saying that the Xbox is only doing better now because of "Arrogant Sony" instead of the years of work Microsoft has put into turning around the brand with features like BC, community-driven services and updates, and new hardware. It's silly oversimplification of the situation. The competition's mistakes is only one factor of many.
Arrogant how?
They just released Spidey which is oozing Quality. Pretty sure they ain't arrogant while making games which is the key.