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Microsoft Studios |OT2| The Best Is Yet To Come
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Would you be able to fill me in briefly regarding the significance of Phil's tweet sprees? I'm sort of out of the loop since I don't have Twitter. Also, I'm hoping Microsoft will eventually expand their # of conferences per year as opposed to showing everything off during the summer events. I'm guessing when they gain more 1st party content, we may see another Xbox event added to the yearly schedule.
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Enjoy! It's an amazing game. It feels so damn good just to move around the world.
If Microsoft and Nintendo will get closer again through giving some Rare's characters to Super Smash Bros. Ultimate, so I would like to see Xbox Live support for this game as well. Especially with Achievements.
It's nice and a bit weird to see Achievements of Minecraft from Nintendo Switch on my Xbox One, so why not to see another games. And yes, I know that Minecraft property of Microsoft, and Super Smash Bros. Ultimate of Nintendo. But still, why not!
It's nice and a bit weird to see Achievements of Minecraft from Nintendo Switch on my Xbox One, so why not to see another games. And yes, I know that Minecraft property of Microsoft, and Super Smash Bros. Ultimate of Nintendo. But still, why not!
I think the reason Gears of War 4 got the "good not great" reaction that it did is precisely that: it felt safe, it felt like more Gears. I know why they did it, with Rod wanting them to prove they could get it right, etc., but that Gears 5 trailer got me more excited than any of the pre-release stuff for 4 ever did. It really does, as you say, look like they know that the traditional Gears formula is getting a little long in the tooth and they have to try something to refresh the series. I love it. I'm so stoked for Gears 5.
Why would Nintendo build in Xbox Live (a competitors online service) into their first-party title when they just launched their own paid online service a few days ago?
I really liked gears 4, but I see what you're saying with 5! It looks great and I can't wait to see it on my X next year.
This is just my loose thought about it. I was thinking about that thing long time but I wrote it today :)
Yup, Gears 4 was to prove they can make the classic Gears and they'd move on from there. It makes sense, but people use it against them (without knowing or wanting to know why).
Halo 5 was supposed to be something else from what we've heard, but something happened. I actually wouldn't be surprised if the engine is at fault for a lot of the issues. Game looks great, but it launched without quite a bit and was supposed to be open world. They might have lost a couple years because of those issues, and they put developers right then and there on the new engine.
I honestly don't know how Forza can get much better. I liked Sega GT 2002 a lot, and wouldn't mind some aspects modeled after that, but otherwise I don't know. PG keeps surprising me with the conditions, I wouldn't be surprised if it eventually allows for character movement in certain areas. Like walking around your house, certain activities, etc.
I'm probably not the best one to talk about it because I hear more than see it. But it comes down to him tweeting a lot and he hasn't done for the last couple months much. All of us know it's because he's too busy (or he hates us), but why is the question. Could be more board meetings, talking to execs in general, scoping out studios/talent, asking for more ports, trying to get an event ready, etc.
I think Sony already has enough with what they have because there's 3 late-year events. Microsoft just needs something around November or December and they'll be fine. I would say early in the year would be good too, but E3 takes a lot of planning and needs a lot of announcements and so on that an event early in the year would ruin. If they get big enough where they easily go over 2 hours every E3, then perhaps, but I can't see that for several more years at least, and it would probably be bigger to just have Inside Xbox take over. Conventions can be expensive and digital is much easier.
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I didn't count the spin offs or games that weren't developed by the core original developer. Gears Tactics is on my list but it's not being developed by The Coalition so while it's set in the Gears universe, it's a spin off that im not going to count. I don't count the Uncharted PSVita game because it's not a main game in the franchise, it's on a damn handheld and it wasn't developed by Naughty Dog. I'm just counting the main games.
See above why I only the main games.
Naughty Dog is done with Uncharted. Highly unlikely that they develop another one. Franchise can still live on but Naughty Dog won't be developing it. Personally, I would love Lost Legacy 2 but if not, then I prefer the series to stay dead until PS6 if not beyond as im just sick of Drake, etc. I believe that TLOU will be a trilogy and done.
While God of War still exists, except for the name and Kratos, everything was changed and for the better in my opinion. While there will be a sequel, SSM will be working on a new IP with Barlog as the lead and before GOW 2018, SSM did have a game cancelled that had nothing to do with God of War. So while there will still be God of War, there will also be a new IP from SSM.
After recently playing Gears 1-3 after playing Gears 4 two years ago, im very happy that they added melee combat to Gears 5 as the series does in fact need to change and evolve. This is why im excited for Gears 5 because like with God of War, I think that the series can change for the better while still keeping it's legacy and history intact.
Yeah, PD only does Gran Turismo but Turn 10 only does FM so that evens out.
As for Playground, I would LOVE it if that studio becomes massive and has three big teams. That would be great. A Forza Horizon team. A Fable team. And a new IP team. Hell yeah!!!
Like Sony this generation, I do want to see Microsoft's internal studios to evolve and develop new IP's instead of only the main three. Everyone here knows that I heavily favor Sony but here's why - last gen, if it wasn't for Naughty Dog, I would have only ONE exclusive for PS3 that appealed to me (Dead Nation) and it wasn't even an internal owned studio.
This generation, not only do I still have Naughty Dog but I also have Guerrilla Games with Horizon to look forward to and while there's possibly going to be a new Killzone game which I don't have any interest in, it's going to be from the secondary team while the primary team stays with Horizon. Sucker Punch who developed Infamous which like Killzone, didn't appeal to me whatsoever is now developing Ghost of Tsushima which based on E3, im 100% all in. Bend Studio is giving me Days Gone after being non-existent for like a decade.
My point is that as hyped, excited and confident I am in Sony's studios, im not that way with Microsoft's and in order to feel that way, they have to get their internal studios to evolve and simply be fucking better. I don't have a problem with Halo Infinite as im actually interested in it and super hyped for Gears 5 but I would love for these studios to either A) have a secondary team that gives us a new IP or B) develop a new IP in between sequels of their one game franchise. Like Naughty Dog did with TLOU between Uncharted 3 and 4. Not only would this add a new IP, possible a new genre but also gives the current franchise a longer break which to be honest, at times, is the best thing for a franchise.
I simply believe that for Microsoft and the Xbox brand to truly be great and on a consistent basis, they can't just depending and relying on the big three over and over and over again. I won't count Turn 10 as I believe it's been said that the entire studio is all just about racing and cars but 343 and The Coalition have a good amount of talent and in my eyes, it just feels like it's either A) being wasted or B) not fulfilling the full potential that the studio has. And the only way to know that for sure is by giving them the opportunity to develop something new.
Nintendo for me despite owning a Switch is non-existent because it's the same fucking franchises since NES/SNES and it's like, do something new. Evolve. It's simply the same shit over and over and over. Granted, they will always sell a shit ton of copies which is why they will never change but for me personally, that's why they'll always be last in my eyes because all they do is depend on rely on the same shit every time.
Microsoft can have 343 and Coalition stay with Halo and Gears but I wish that they would give me a new IP in between. After Halo Infinite and Gears 5, to be perfectly honest, they should each create a new IP. As long as the monetary support is there, It can only make them and the brand better.
In summary, I would just like to see Microsoft's internal studios develop new IP's and games that appeal to me like Sony's internal studios have done this generation. I figure that Sony's internal studios have for the most part completely appealed to me this generation for PlayStation 4 and I would love to see the same thing from Microsoft and Xbox 4. That's pretty much it.
The Coalition and 343 do more than just develop the next main installment and help other in creating spin offs even if its only a bit but nothing Halo happens without 343 being involved. Even if you take off the spin offs which i dont think is right Halo just as en example has evolved a lot over 3 to 4 to 5 I mean seriously...the gameplay is so different, the focus on competitive play is way different and dun dun duuun its a different studio! . Do you not count Shadow of the Tomb Raider when talking TR13 trilogy because the majority was done by eidos instead? or like a sane person do you count it because its part of the franchise regardless who did or didnt work on it.
Sony is making another studio to exclusively develop Uncharted as I mentioned before. They're situated in San Diego. It comes down to that being another studio that is a franchise studio. That is 3 franchise studios that Sony has.
I mean, it looks to be the same with Infinite too. Forza is really the only one, but I can't think of how to change that at all. For that, it would probably be better for Turn 10 to switch between PGR and if possible, have PG switch between Horizon and Crimson Skies (if they can handle it properly).
I wouldn't mind another studio for PG, but it's something they definitely need to wait for. Now is too soon.
Pretty sure there's no secondary team for Guerrilla and they're expanding to get games out faster, that's all. I can't imagine them working an another Killzone anytime soon.
Fortunately, Phil has things setting up in the right direction. Maybe not for you with franchise studios, but with Ninja Theory, Rare and the acquisitions they make in the future. Rare is easily one of Microsoft's best assets because they're an IP factory.
Games are getting bigger and bigger. It'll be hard for 343 to have a second team making things at the size of Halo: Infinite (we know people will expect them to), unless they practically double in size. It's much better for them to increase in size to make bigger games and release games faster, because it takes more developers and more time to create an AAA game every year.
For that last point, the new genres, while not being a new IP are something that Matt wants all of the franchise studios to do (actually I think they all have them), he calls them incubation teams. It'll be 5 years from Halo 5 to Halo Infinite and I think that is fine. It's when it's every 1 or 2 years that I have an issue.
The biggest thing with 343 is they were started as a Halo developer and for that purpose only, just like the Uncharted studio that is starting up too. The Coalition might have another IP eventually, but who knows? They had the chance to work on a new IP, but chose Gears instead. Honestly, I think the franchise studios (save 343) have more freedom than people think, but they just prefer to stay with what they have. I wouldn't be surprised if Turn 10 wanted to do PGR and Microsoft allowed it.
Franchise Factories, like it or not, are very important. Games like Halo can sell an upper of 10 million, so Microsoft would want to bank on that. And if it's the same team with another IP, that will just take too long and a lot of people will complain. Heck, look at the Bethesda community, it was the middle of 2014 and people kept saying Fallout 4 will never happen. Just a few years wait will make people go insane.
Finally, I don't think a new team would necessarily be best for a studio like 343 like I mentioned before. That whole studio is built only for Halo, and nothing else. A decent percent of the team deal with the marketing and deals and only that. It's better to just make another separate studio. Having the same team do it will just make the wait for another horribly long.
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I personally don't understand the fixation some people have now with studios doing new things.
The Coalition has made 1 new gears game, 343i has made 2 Halo games. What makes you even think these studios want to work on something new and not work on the franchises they have been given only relatively recently in game dev time?
My only thought is its because Gears and Halo do not interest these people, and while they see the ability these studios have they wish it was focused on something they personally would enjoy more?
The Coalition has made 1 new gears game, 343i has made 2 Halo games. What makes you even think these studios want to work on something new and not work on the franchises they have been given only relatively recently in game dev time?
My only thought is its because Gears and Halo do not interest these people, and while they see the ability these studios have they wish it was focused on something they personally would enjoy more?
I feel like they sorta have to, we're less than a week from October.
I have to wonder whether there will be big hitters when you have a game like FH4 this month.
The Coalition is the only one that could maybe make a new IP out of the three. I don't ever see Turn 10 or 343i not doing Forza and Halo games. Only because TC was not set up like the other two, they were handed Gears out of the blue while making a new IP and not built specifically for its continuation.
As a Gears fan, my initial reason for wanting it was because at the time Microsoft only had like 5 studios and knowing already what 4 of them were working on kind of made me a little restless knowing we only had MSGP to bring new IP's (or revival of old IPs). Even with the new acquisitions I still have the same stance but mainly from a creative stand point, it's just more exciting knowing something 'new' is coming especially from talented devs.
I think Booty has the right idea with all of the studios having incubation teams but as I questioned earlier, I just wonder is that a creative refreshment exercise or something that they want each studio to take seriously as a potential IP the team would have to shift their focus to.
The problem is what happens if the sales continue to drop for Halo and Gears? Both of those franchises have been on a downward spiral sale-wise. Would MS let the studios try a new IP, or just take them out back? Gears in particular I'm skeptical of, that franchise just feels so last gen. Weren't the sales very ho-hum as well? Played through GOW4 recently and I was very bored throughout it. Didn't care about the new characters and I thought the not!Locust were dull as dishwater. Only fun part was the mechs at the end.
But I'm content with the new studios for now, although I hope Compulsion can step it up. We Happy Few was not very good imo.
But I'm content with the new studios for now, although I hope Compulsion can step it up. We Happy Few was not very good imo.
Gear is still one of the best TPS around and I don't think it'll take much for The Coalition to bring back some excitement to the franchise. I fully expect Gears 5 to put Gears back on top as the undisputed bet TPS.
Gears 4 was built that way on purpose, as they wanted to prove they can make a classic Gears game (making a new Gears that changes quite a bit, even for the better, would upset people, so they wanted to prove they can make a "safe" Gears). Gears 5 is where most/all the changes that Rod wants will come in. There was quite a bit of differences you could tell just in the gameplay trailer they showed.
This is going to be a dull show for anyone not interested in FH4. Hopefully they have some BC news in there too.
I vaguely tried multiple times already explaining that Xbox is in a really important phase for the future right now. It's about Microsoft Studios. It's about the next devices. It's about their general strategy moving forward. Phil is busy. It's probably as easy as that. He's also just a human like you and me who is happy as soon as he gets home :)
Playground Games is killing it. They have made the two best Microsoft exclusives this generation.
Microsoft did not repeat the same mistake they made with Bizzare, BioWare and DICE. Imagine what they could try and achieve if they had three years to make a racing game.
Shit was the worst it was all MS not investing into Xbox and only GAAS games.
I think PG games will go all out for FH5. I believe the next horizon game will feature 3 areas from different countries. Japan , Dubai and ?
With likely 3 years instead of 2 (assuming the next Xbox launches in 2020), a game made for a superior hardware and even more experience, I expect the next Horizon to be absolutely bonkers, probably bigger and of course it will look even better. If Microsoft has some shenanigans up its sleeve (cloud again?) you bet Forza Horizon will use it perfectly.
So I know we're talking about FH4 at the moment but Ive been binge watching the IGN unfiltered interviews (would recommend, some great insights into Xbox) and came across this again:
At the time I remember thinking what a unusual choice but after E3 it now makes a lot of sense, I'm so curious as to who they might acquire next (we know Matt Booty has said they're not done acquiring studios yet).
At the time I remember thinking what a unusual choice but after E3 it now makes a lot of sense, I'm so curious as to who they might acquire next (we know Matt Booty has said they're not done acquiring studios yet).
The only person that said that was Sneakerss and he's nowhere to be seen on this site so...
Its going to be dull even for forza fans. I can't wait to get my hands on Horizon. However, I have seen everything on the game already. I don't need to see more.
It makes no sense from a marketing perspective to talk about anything else besides FH4. Like I said, let them put all their focus on this game for the next few weeks. Just a nice talk and play stream.
After that, they can begin to look forward ... :)
I believe FH4 is enough of a juggernaut to stand by its own at this point
Talking about nothing but FH4 alienates every Xbox owner who is not that crazy about FH4
Exactly. With the game on game pass on day one and plenty of folks who bought it as well there really doesn't need to be a sole focus on it.
The teaser for Inside Xbox did show some Hollow Knight and Shadow of the Tomb Raider. + we'll get GamePass news.
They've already said there is more than just FH4 in this episode, in the Xbox Wire article - they said full list of games being shown would be unveiled nearer to the time..
I'm just answering klobrille's point, i dont know about whats in inside xbox this time
Hope so. I already know I'm getting FH4 as soon as it's up on game pass, the idea of tuning into Inside Xbox to watch more FH4 just makes me want to ignore the stream.
Yeah I know what you mean, anything more and it'll kind of spoil things when it comes to playing the game.
I am actually on a bit of a blackout on this game since I own Gamepass and know I am going to love this game. I want to just dive in when it comes out so I am a bit anxious on what will be shown.
I do hope they announce a Gamepass Ultimate add-on option today tho! Would buy immediately.
I do hope they announce a Gamepass Ultimate add-on option today tho! Would buy immediately.
This is where I'm at too. I watched about 15 minutes of the first seasons stream, then watched bits and pieces. Played the first 3 races or so of the demo, since then I've seen some photos from the photo thread and some slight pieces of video and thumbnails. I don't need to see more, I will play the game on Game Pass anyway. If they announce the add-ons bundle, I'll buy it even for like 50 Euros tbh, but paying 100 for the "full" package now seems silly when I get the game "free" anyway.
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