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Phizax · Sep 23, 2018

DrArchon said:
Hopping off of the Steve Train for a bit:

Has anyone noticed this bit in the AT section of the site?

None of the other AT's specify which series they're from. Just Zero.

Seeing as Zero is a pretty common name for video game characters, I wonder if there will be another Zero as an AT.

It's just because of the Zero enemy from Metroid, but in an ideal universe, it's because it's Dark Matter's Final Smash.

Pause · Sep 23, 2018

Crazy Izanagi said:
Game and Watch is a bunch of random games. No one would have asked for it to be represented as a playable character. Sakurai, having far more talent then you guys seem to give him credit for, decided to combine them and thus make a character.

Same with WFT. No one asked for her and yet he made a character with what he had a created something great from it.

Captain Falcon appeared for 5 pages, acts a little cocky,and shot a guy. Maybe the transition from that to "Kamen Rider with flaming punches" is obvious to you but it sure isn't to me.

No one's saying Sakurai isn't talented, can we please stop pretending that anyone's saying this?

I'm saying Steve is a gigantically different issue than absolutely everything that is present in Smash, and that it simply isn't worth the effort anyway.

Game & Watch worked because he displays emotion through his actions, and he doesn't need full animation to work, because he only needs to snap from one from to another. That's not even an issue with hitboxes because of the way frames work. G&W is actually much easier to make than any other character, which is why he was a late addition to Melee. He also fits aesthetically because he is close enough to human to be cute, but not too close as to be uncanny.

Wii Fit Trainer is a character with a voice, and the most literal and exact human proportions imaginable. She was designed to be on screen at all times and is uniquely fun because of her mannerisms and her design idea. Nothing about her is comparable to Steve.

Captain Falcon, again, was a character in an instruction manual and in a comic, and he has a design that influences his character. He screams "brave tough guy." He also has the exact proportions used for prototype characters for Smash, and it's extremely easy to see how he can be a character separate from F-Zero's racing mechanics.

Not a single one of those characters has any meaningful similarity to the problem with making Steve work.

mopinks said:
Claus as a unique fighter instead of Kumatora

truly disgusting

please let there still be hope for kumatora, at least as an echo

those are her moves. lucas stole her moves

Ryce · Sep 23, 2018

Metto · Sep 23, 2018

Okay y'know what how bout this for a compromise. We get Banjo Kazooie first, then Steve.

Would rather have a Capcom situation where they choose the Nintendo centric one first then move on to the more popular franchise

ned_ballad · Sep 23, 2018

Those aren't even new screenshots

That's cheating!

mopinks · Sep 23, 2018

Bluewind098 said:
Okay y'know what how bout this for a compromise. We get Banjo Kazooie first, then Steve.

that's a lose-lose situation for me

r_n · Sep 23, 2018

ned_ballad said:
They generally hit around 9:05 EST every day, except music day, which is usually a little earlier

That's generally the earliest it hits but there's been plenty of times where it comes 30 minutes later or over an hour later or like 5 hours later.

Okabe · Sep 23, 2018

mopinks said:
that's a lose-lose situation for me

Lady Bow · Sep 23, 2018

Ryce said:

Deleted member 46641 · Sep 23, 2018

My hospital blocks 4chan (justly so - recovering patients don't need to see that many slurs). Can someone copy paste the original post and put it here (minus any slurs if they're there)

r_n · Sep 23, 2018

ned_ballad said:
Those aren't even new screenshots

That's cheating!

Shovel Knight did the same thing. 1 new screenshot and hte other was jsut from th AT page. The Moon & Ganondorf photo is at least new

Metto · Sep 23, 2018

mopinks said:
that's a lose-lose situation for me

ned_ballad · Sep 23, 2018

r_n said:
Shovel Knight did the same thing. 1 new screenshot and hte other was jsut from th AT page. The Moon & Ganondorf photo is at least new

No it isn't. That screenshot has been around for awhile. It was in a press kit back when Moon was first announced

ze_ · Sep 23, 2018

Masozi said:
My hospital blocks 4chan (justly so - recovering patients don't need to see that many slurs). Can someone copy paste the original post and put it here (minus any slurs if they're there)

Here:

Smashwidget said:
Bandana Waddle Dee (Kirby)
Incineroar (Pokemon) -
Skull Kid (Legend of Zelda)
Elma (Xenoblade)
Isaac (Golden Sun)
Geno (Mario RPG)
Shadow the Hedgehog (Sonic) **NOT AN ECHO FIGHTER**
Banjo Kazooie (Banjo Kazooie)
Sora (Kingdom Hearts) -
Saki (Sin & Punishment)
Klaus (Mother)

I want it all

ned_ballad said:
Those aren't even new screenshots

That's cheating!

A-Exeggutor didn't have new screens either.

Gold Arsene · Sep 23, 2018

NotLiquid said:
I literally said on the last page that you can make a playable fighter out of anything. That's not what I'm arguing here.

What I'm arguing is that characters like Wii Fit Trainer and Mr. Game & Watch are appealing choices because despite the fact that they aren't franchises you'd think fit into the parameters of being a fighting game, they are characters that have their actions and movesets defined by actual personality and character that is innate to their own games. Mr. Game & Watch embodies an insane level of charisma that come from it's charming and fun minigames that feature exaggerated poses and expressions. That kind of stuff is perfect for a fighting game because keyposes are the most important element a character can have to emphasize their attacks. Wii Fit Trainer is a character that tries to encourage players to be more proactive, and attempts to be encouraging in the process. That makes her a fun character to play with, because it feels like there's something extra to her presence when she's among all these other colorful characters.

That's what makes those characters so fun, not just their unique move sets, but because despite the fact that these are characters people don't necessarily think to add, they are characters that embody personality through their individual in-game actions. Sakurai has already gone into detail about how this is important to character inclusions in Smash - one of the most important things about a Smash character is that they need to evoke a semblance of personality and character, predominantly through their actions.

And with Steve there's just no frame of reference for that. You can make a "fun" moveset for this character, but people don't really play these things just for "fun movesets". If we start ignoring the importance of character, what we're left with is this.

Pause said:
No one's saying Sakurai isn't talented, can we please stop pretending that anyone's saying this?

I'm saying Steve is a gigantically different issue than absolutely everything that is present in Smash, and that it simply isn't worth the effort anyway.

Game & Watch worked because he displays emotion through his actions, and he doesn't need full animation to work, because he only needs to snap from one from to another. That's not even an issue with hitboxes because of the way frames work. G&W is actually much easier to make than any other character, which is why he was a late addition to Melee. He also fits aesthetically because he is close enough to human to be cute, but not too close as to be uncanny.

Wii Fit Trainer is a character with a voice, and the most literal and exact human proportions imaginable. She was designed to be on screen at all times and is uniquely fun because of her mannerisms and her design idea. Nothing about her is comparable to Steve.

Captain Falcon, again, was a character in an instruction manual and in a comic, and he has a design that influences his character. He screams "brave tough guy." He also has the exact proportions used for prototype characters for Smash, and it's extremely easy to see how he can be a character separate from F-Zero's racing mechanics.

Not a single one of those characters has any meaningful similarity to the problem with making Steve work.

please let there still be hope for kumatora, at least as an echo

those are her moves. lucas stole her moves

Whatever you two need to tell yourself to justify your hatred.

I don't want Steve but if anyone can make him interesting it's Sakurai. I'd find him a lot more interesting the Ridley do to move set potential but hey that's me.

Deleted member 46641 · Sep 23, 2018

ze_ said:
Here:

A-Exeggutor didn't have new screens either.

What was that stuff about new assists I've been hearing? Is this that thread or elsewhere?

Deleted member 30935 · Sep 23, 2018

I'm not saying Skull Kid is in, but he's definitely not part of the Moon AT. There's no reason they'd keep it hidden.

r_n · Sep 23, 2018

ned_ballad said:
No it isn't. That screenshot has been around for awhile. It was in a press kit back when Moon was first announced

Wonder how many more of those we'll be seeing then. Maybe the shovel knight photo I thought was new wasfrom there too.

Do you have al ink to the press kit photos by the way. There was a ton of them and it will let use judge more harshly

Bard · Sep 23, 2018

Smashwidget said:
Bandana Waddle Dee (Kirby)
Incineroar (Pokemon) -
Skull Kid (Legend of Zelda)
Elma (Xenoblade)
Isaac (Golden Sun)
Geno (Mario RPG)
Shadow the Hedgehog (Sonic) **NOT AN ECHO FIGHTER**
Banjo Kazooie (Banjo Kazooie)
Sora (Kingdom Hearts) -
Saki (Sin & Punishment)
Klaus (Mother)

I want it all

I wish this was true. Not happening sadly.

Smashwidget · Sep 23, 2018

Okabe said:

oh jesus I forgot about this

TimeFire · Sep 23, 2018

Ryce said:

Everyone lives to see another day.

Kyzer · Sep 23, 2018

Lol @ mental backflips to attempt to rationalize salt at characters you don't like getting into smash

ned_ballad · Sep 23, 2018

r_n said:
Wonder how many more of those we'll be seeing then. Maybe the shovel knight photo I thought was new wasfrom there too.

Do you have al ink to the press kit photos by the way. There was a ton of them and it will let use judge more harshly

I don't have a link to it. Someone else might, though

Metto · Sep 23, 2018

ze_ said:
Here:

A-Exeggutor didn't have new screens either.

You forgot the Echoes he put in

Medusa for Palutena
Ken for Ryu
Octoling for Inkling
Dixie Kong for Diddy Kong
Black Shadow for Captain Falcon
Black Knight for Ike

ze_ · Sep 23, 2018

Masozi said:
What was that stuff about new assists I've been hearing? Is this that thread or elsewhere?

Yeah, same thread. It's in the second post there. Here's what they wrote:

New Echo Fighters:
Medusa over Palutena
Ken over Ryu
Octoling over Inkling
Dixie Kong over Diddy Kong
Black Shadow over Captain Falcon
Black Knight over Ike

In the upcoming direct, they reveal 4 new fighters, 2 new echo fighters, 2 new stages, 5 brand new assist trophies + 2 Pokemon, 4 brand new items new to smash in-game shop concept + new value of currency, buyable costumes and palettes, and a teaser for spirits.
It'll open with Shulk, Link, and Marth fighting Rathalos in a cinematic cutscene link and marth get destroyed, and shulk was barely holding on until Elma shows up. Midway it transitions to Elma getting beat up, similar to how richter was revealed; isaac comes in and lends a hand before transitioning into his very own gameplay sequence. It also showcases a transitioning stage where it seems to be golden sun based, unsure whether it is Mars Lighthouse or another stage. Sakurai comes in and talks about the 2 new characters and their inclusion into smash brothers, and showcases some brand new assist trophies and 2 new pokemon;
-Drampa (Pokemon)
-Chandelure ( Pokemon)
-Saturos (Golden Sun) Two Volcanoes Appear and it rains exploding meteors for a short period of time.
-King Boo (Mario) Swaps percentages around between fighters.
-Poochy (Yoshi) Digs underground and finds useful items, similar to how isablle used to be
-Urbosa (Legend of Zelda BOTW) Hovers around you, when hit while blocking they're now stunned with a large lightning bolt.
-Creeper (Minecraft) If within range walks up and kamikaze's if you walk out of range before hand, it'll stay and continue to attempt to follow you.

MoonGirard · Sep 23, 2018

Ah yes the everyone gets their character list.

Kyzer · Sep 23, 2018

Sakurai could announce a wooden desk with a glass and no coaster for smash and I'd trust him to make it work, I'm comfy af

r_n · Sep 23, 2018

MoonGirard said:
Ah yes the everyone gets their character list.

EVERY DREAM IS

HERE

MondoMega · Sep 23, 2018

Oh hey, we survived (for now).

Deleted member 23212 · Sep 23, 2018

So, I was gone for the weekend. Other than the Ken pic was there anything else that happened?

Deleted member 46641 · Sep 23, 2018

r_n said:
EVERY DREAM IS

HERE

Except wonder red

Too niche even for fake leaks ;_;

TheDinoman · Sep 23, 2018

Imagine going back in time and posting this before 2018

Everyone would think Shovel Knight was an actual player character lol

Hailinel · Sep 23, 2018

Oheao said:
So, I was gone for the weekend. Other than the Ken pic was there anything else that happened?

Not really. Just the usual swing of conversation toward one character's chances or another, with some Bowsette talk as a distraction.

Metto · Sep 23, 2018

Oheao said:
So, I was gone for the weekend. Other than the Ken pic was there anything else that happened?

We argued about Steve being in Smash just now.

Box Theory again.

Even had one for Elma which was new I guess

Lbbaker · Sep 23, 2018

I'm still sweatin' here. Lucas better pull through for me.

r_n · Sep 23, 2018

ned_ballad said:
I don't have a link to it. Someone else might, though

I remembered saying it was a press kit a while ago so I found it four DT threads ago in the search
that was only a month and change....

Anyway here it is. It's a long album! https://imgur.com/a/HdDfJce

Deleted member 23212 · Sep 23, 2018

OK, so to be honest knowing that I didn't miss much makes me realize just how much time I waste coming here for hours a day, since so little news actually tends to come up :-D

Hailinel · Sep 23, 2018

TheDinoman said:
Imagine going back in time and posting this before 2018

Everyone would think Shovel Knight was an actual player character lol

Someone travel back in time and show this to Liam Robertson.

Maximum Spider · Sep 23, 2018

Did the Ken leaker say anything? Like do we have any indication if they'll be sharing any more news?

All I ever saw were the repost, I think.

r_n · Sep 23, 2018

Man I think all these stage photos are just goign to be used on the blog. All the New Donk City ones are exactly the ones put on the blog like a week or two later.

r_n · Sep 23, 2018

These two remain my favorite in the whole press kit. Let's create the same exact scenario twice but in different parts of the stage and Pit facing the other way

e: meant to preview, not double post. oops

ze_ · Sep 23, 2018

r_n said:
I remembered saying it was a press kit a while ago so I found it four DT threads ago in the search
that was only a month and change....

Anyway here it is. It's a long album! https://imgur.com/a/HdDfJce

Smash is so cool.

Also, I like this screen:

Everything looks so HD.

Deleted member 46641 · Sep 23, 2018

r_n said:
These two remain my favorite in the whole press kit. Let's create the same exact scenario twice but in different parts of the stage and Pit facing the other way

e: meant to preview, not double post. oops

I thought this post was by memoryman for a second

louisacommie · Sep 23, 2018

Crazy Izanagi said:
Game and Watch is a bunch of random games. No one would have asked for it to be represented as a playable character. Sakurai, having far more talent then you guys seem to give him credit for, decided to combine them and thus make a character.

Same with WFT. No one asked for her and yet he made a character with what he had a created something great from it.

Captain Falcon appeared for 5 pages, acts a little cocky,and shot a guy. Maybe the transition from that to "Kamen Rider with flaming punches" is obvious to you but it sure isn't to me.

Does he have enouph talent for princess ruto

r_n · Sep 23, 2018

Masozi said:
I thought this post was by memoryman for a second

rest assured he has posted these exact same screens but for entirely different purposes

Dary · Sep 23, 2018

r_n said:
These two remain my favorite in the whole press kit. Let's create the same exact scenario twice but in different parts of the stage and Pit facing the other way

e: meant to preview, not double post. oops

When Mega Man has finally had it with all that -icus shit.

louisacommie · Sep 23, 2018

So bowser kingdom from odyssey for dlc stage

ned_ballad · Sep 23, 2018

When was the last time we had a non fighter as our first post of the week?

Edit: unless I missed one, this is the first time

Am I crazy for thinking this is suspicious? Like they did this to keep it to 3 fighters a week for this week because something is coming?

IntelliHeath · Sep 23, 2018

Mario_Bones said:
It's ok, we'll have a new one in a week

10-15 days seems likely at the pace of this thread currently unless we got some kind of announcement coming up so soon.

r_n · Sep 23, 2018

ned_ballad said:
When was the last time we had a non fighter as our first post of the week?

Closest we got was that Sonic's character video was paired with Knuckles.

the paradigms are shifting before our very eyes!

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