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Armite

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Mar 30, 2018
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I love Undertale but this is simply not going to happen. Shovel Knight's massive for an indie IP and it barely got in as an AT.

As for Steve or whatever, I wouldn't really care.
 

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I would be very disappointed by either, especially Sans though. The undertale mundertale memes have just been done into the ground and you can chalk that up to me not liking the fanbase, but I dont even think the game itself is all that great tbh. I just dont really want to see the fallout and I dont think either would be very interesting moveset wise. Now you can even argue the wii fit trainer anyle, but the major difference is nobody was really pulling for wft, it was random dumb fun. These two have established fanbases with active pull, if they get in its not random fun, but pandering to those crowds, at that point it loses its dumb fun excuse because they arent putting in for that randomness value anymore
 

Cyberninja776

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Oct 28, 2017
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Steve would be fine, Minecraft is one of the biggest games in the world. Sans on the other hand... looks like everyone is gonna have a bad time.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Sans hasn't earned his way in, as much as I love Undertale.

Minecraft's level of success is nearly unprecedented in the industry, though, and the only individual game to have sold more copies already has music representation in Smash. If Sakurai can make an interesting moveset for Steve, let him in.
 

TheDinoman

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Oct 25, 2017
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This really didn't stop Villager from coming to Smash; Smash actually gave him added personality. I've no doubt the same would be done if this were to happen.

I think the difference there is that Villager, as well as the likes of Robin and Corrin, are just ordinary first party Nintendo characters. They don't need to be a big deal.

Third party inclusions on the other hand should be, I think. Nondescript avatar characters like Steve and Monster Hunter just don't feel like appealing guest fighters in the same way established characters like Snake, Sonic, Mega Man, Pac-Man, Ryu, Cloud and Simon all do.
 

darz1

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Dec 18, 2017
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Im not against Steve. It might be odd at first but he has been on wii u, 3ds and switch. And he is a gaming icon, even if i dont really like minecraft.

Id much rather Jibanyan, Shovel Knight, the Knight from Hollow Knight or Rusty from Steam World Dig

I also think it would be awsome to play as a shape shifting Tetris block

When is master cheif
Ewwww. No. Just no.
 

tolkir

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Oct 25, 2017
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Sans is a lazy skeleton, I don't see why he would want to fight. Undyne or Papyrus would have more sense.
 

Santiako

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Oct 25, 2017
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Not familiar with Sans but Steve is one of the most recognisable characters in the world and Nintendo and Microsoft seem to have a good relationship, so I wouldn't be surprised if it ended in smash.
 

lvl 99 Pixel

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Oct 25, 2017
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This really didn't stop Villager from coming to Smash; Smash actually gave him added personality. I've no doubt the same would be done if this were to happen.

Villager was the sole rep from a big first party franchise, one where you see your character the whole time instead of the equivalent of a less interesting Gordon Freeman. Its not comparable.
 

Wamb0wneD

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I would dread the fact of the online population consisting of 50% Steve mains but otherwise I really don't care.
 

Adnor

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Oct 25, 2017
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Steve is one of the most recognizable video game characters of all time. He would be a better fit than almost any other character.
 

darz1

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I think the difference there is that Villager, as well as the likes of Robin and Corrin, are just ordinary first party Nintendo characters. They don't need to be a big deal.

Third party inclusions on the other hand should be, I think. Nondescript avatar characters like Steve and Monster Hunter just don't feel like appealing guest fighters in the same way established characters like Snake, Sonic, Mega Man, Pac-Man, Ryu, Cloud and Simon all do.
Steve might be an avatar but he is also widely known and recognizable as any of the characters you mentioned.
 

Mobu

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Oct 28, 2017
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if Sakurai included characters because how popular or recognizable their franchise is , we would have cod soldier and Madden player a long time ago
 

Bigg

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Oct 25, 2017
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My genuine reaction would be "eh, whatever."

I'm not going to like every single character in Smash. The game has like 70 characters, and I already love plenty of them. No reason to get hung up about it.
 

brykuhn91

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Oct 27, 2017
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Steve would be the first character that would actually hurt my hype. I'm not exactly sure why, but I would not want him in.
 

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I'd be conflicted if Steve got in - a lot of kids would be very happy, but I'd rather Notch not get celebrated in Smash.

Sans though? No issues. Yeah people can make unfunny "lol sans sucks" memes, but he'd be a great character representing a great game.
 

Alfredo

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I'm all for any character that smashes the arbitrary rules that Smash Bros fans make up to judge whether a character is fit for the roster.

...should be Frisk instead of Sans, though, lol
 

Avenger54321

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Big giant meh from me

Never played undertale, so Sans wouldn't really get a reaction from me

And Steve would actually make me disappointed. I would then keep asking myself: "If Nintendo was able to talk to Microsoft to get a character in Smash, why Steve? Why not get Banjo and Kazooie instead?"
 

lvl 99 Pixel

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I'd be conflicted if Steve got in - a lot of kids would be very happy, but I'd rather Notch not get celebrated in Smash.

Sans though? No issues. Yeah people can make unfunny "lol sans sucks" memes, but he'd be a great character representing a great game.

how? his entire existence as a smash character is just a bastardization of everything about Undertale for what should be obvious reasons.
Remember that one time he actually fights in Undertale and what that meant? Papyrus makes more sense, and even then, fighting in that game was designed to be the antithesis of fun.
 

HMS_Pinafore

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Oct 25, 2017
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Sans is a side character from one game, who isn't even owned by Nintendo.

Steve is a wooden block with no personality.

Now let me tell you why Geno deserves to be playable...
 

Deleted member 2317

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But Shovel Knight fucking deserves it.
 

Deleted member 46641

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how? his entire existence as a smash character is just a bastardization of everything about Undertale for what should be obvious reasons.
Remember that one time he actually fights in Undertale and what that meant? Papyrus makes more sense, and even then, fighting in that game was designed to be the antithesis of fun.
That's a weird situation. Generally speaking, I thought that doing dialogue and evading enemy attacks was really fun. The genocide path was a grindy anti-fun path though.

I know Undyne or Papyrus or Metaton would be a better thematic fit, but they will go for Sans if Undertale is represented (big IF) because he's the most iconic character in Undertale.
 

lvl 99 Pixel

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That's a weird situation. Generally speaking, I thought that doing dialogue and evading enemy attacks was really fun. The genocide path was a grindy anti-fun path though.

I know Undyne or Papyrus or Metaton would be a better thematic fit, but they will go for Sans if Undertale is represented (big IF) because he's the most iconic character in Undertale.

Isn't that just because of memes? Papyrus played a bigger role in the game unless you did that very optional fight. If they're adding a fighting character from Undertale, then an evil player character/Frisk with glowing eyes makes the most sense maybe.
 

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Isn't that just because of memes? Papyrus played a bigger role in the game unless you did that very optional fight. If they're adding a fighting character from Undertale, then an evil player character/Frisk with glowing eyes makes the most sense maybe.
I feel Smash bros has a very different definition of "fighting" than Undertale. Nobody's being killed, no pain's being felt. Hell, previously non-combative characters like Wii Fit Trainer and Isabelle can join in. People clap at the end.

(And yeah, memes are one big reason, but also Megalovania being the most popular Undertale track helps)
 

lvl 99 Pixel

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I feel Smash bros has a very different definition of "fighting" than Undertale. Nobody's being killed, no pain's being felt. Hell, previously non-combative characters like Wii Fit Trainer and Isabelle can join in. People clap at the end.

(And yeah, memes are one big reason, but also Megalovania being the most popular Undertale track helps)

I still feel like its easier to hand wave characters like isabelle fighting because their games didn't have a very overt anti violence theme
 

lvl 99 Pixel

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Metal Gear Solid aside...

and Fire Emblem kinda...

its 100% intrinsic in Undertale both narratively and mechanically. Snake gets the exact same ending regardless of how many people he kills and its just a bonus achievement otherwise.
I only played a few FE games, but permadeath was like a huge part of the game.
 

Tregard

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Oct 27, 2017
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Sans: "This is a very odd choice"

Steve: "Oh cool, a Microsoft character! This opens the door for Banjo & Kazooie and Master Chief down the line!"
 

Lucentto

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Oct 25, 2017
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I would be completely disgusted if either of those characters were playable. Thankfully Sakurai is a smart man and would find a better way to represent those two series in Smash, or not at all.

Smash discussion has gotten really weird these past few weeks. Sans and Steve? Are you guys serious?
 

SENPAIatLARGE

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Oct 25, 2017
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not bad, but seeing how Bethesda carries the nintendo brand on its back...
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doom guy was even on the n64 for gods sake