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First look at Phoenix's Joker
- Thread starter Patitoloco
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Its not an escuse , the vídeos that didnt make even the trailer are online like him beating up harley
Him and Daniel Day Lewis are in a league of their own imo.
Is that Brett Cullen's Thomas Wayne being attacked by the clown group?
Just out of curiosity, what do you think of Breaking Bad?
Just out of curiosity, what do you think of Breaking Bad?
I have no quams about Phoenix playing Joker. My issues comes from the fact that Joker isn't Joker Batman and Todd Phillips is writing/directing. People can cite Killing Joke all they want as a Joker "solo" film, but Killing Joke is nothing without Batman, Gordon and Barbra and i don't particuarlycare for his origin from the book.
Joker doesn't need an origin let alone a 90 fucking minute film about his origin.
The Joker has already had numerous origins through his history as a character. Having multiple contradicting origins is practically a defining aspect of the character nowadays
I don't get the resistance to the mere notion of a movie? What's the fear? That it will ruin the character?
The Joker doesn't usually have scars
Anyone doubting Phoenix should see The Master.
I definitely want to check that movie out. Sadly Netflix and Hulu don't have it. Personally I really enjoyed the movie "Her" and "Walk the line".
I can buy the idea as far as Martha being mentally scared and losing her sanity but to extend that to her being a criminal mastermind and assuming the role of Joker is bridge too far for me to cross.
Tony Soprano, Walter White or any other TV anti-hero have hours and hours of character development to discuss the damage they cause to others and themselves. Even then I do think they are somewhat glorified not only by the audiences but by their creators (Tony maybe less so). I have little faith in this being a good character study which can navigate around the issues of celebrating a serial killer. The Joker works best as a foil to Batman, where the details of his morbid crimes is not the focus but serves as a challenge to Batman's ideals. It's died down quite a bit now but even Ledger's Joker inspired too many "he's right you know" hot takes.
He's never gave a bad performance. If you want him to see him in full gonzo mode look up his "doc" on becoming a rapper I'm Still Here.
He's full on nutso there.
Character studies about terrible people have existed long before Breaking Bad and The Sopranos. And why are you assuming the movie would be celebrating the Joker? Nightcrawler wasn't celebrating Louis Bloom
I definitely heard about that. Seems really interesting. On my to watch list now.
I mean, 'logically' speaking, Bruce had to get the traits that make him capable of being Batman from somewhere, and I imagine his parents are probably the source, but fair enough. I thought it was quite an interesting take.
(I put 'logically' in inverted commas because we're talking about a series that asks us to accept a guy nutty enough to dress up as a bat is capable of waging war on crime almost single-handedly.)
Thanks for stating the obvious. Of course character studies of terrible people have existed forever. I mentioned Breaking Bad and Sopranos because that's what the poster I was replying to brought up. I'm saying in this instance I am skeptical of this being a good character study because of The Joker's status as an iconic celebrated character, because big budget comic book films are rarely good character studies and because The Joker works better when he's not the subject of a deep character study. Painting a realistic psychological profile of The Joker doesn't work for me because his actions when lifted out from comic book reality into the real world are horrific. It can only be done if you make it appropriately disturbing, repellent - not sympathetic. Happy to be proven wrong though because I like the character and I like Phoenix.
This isnt a big budget comic book movie though. And given the influences, I highly doubt they're going to make him sympathetic
So is this real? Seems like it.
Cant embed. Check here:
http://cdn01.cdn.justjared.com/wp-c...orms-into-the-joker-filming-riot-scene-02.jpg
If real then I dig it.
Theres more but I'm sick and don't feel like figuring it out..
Cant embed. Check here:
http://cdn01.cdn.justjared.com/wp-c...orms-into-the-joker-filming-riot-scene-02.jpg
If real then I dig it.
Theres more but I'm sick and don't feel like figuring it out..
I think, and hope, so. That is one bad ass look for the character and it's actually much more in line with his "original" design, yet with some edge to it.
I'm loving what I'm seeing from this movie.
I'm starting to feel sorry, this isn't part of Reeves' Batman. I didn't like the test shot teaser, but those leaked photos + videos all look great.
I feel like people are afraid the origin whatever it is will get "locked in" but that's kind of irrational since there have been many different Jokers and origins in movies already.
One thing that makes me optimistic about this movie: Scott Silver's involvement in co-writing the screenplay.
If you look at the last three movies that Silver wrote/co-wrote screenplays for, they all ended up with "Fresh" ratings on Rottentomatoes.
(2016) The Finest Hours - Rottentomatoes: 64%
(2010) The Fighter - Rottentomatoes: 90% (nominated by the Academy Awards for Best Original Screenplay)
(2002) 8 Mile - Rottentomatoes: 76%
So when Joaquin Phoenix or Marc Maron say that the script is good, I can honestly believe it.
If you look at the last three movies that Silver wrote/co-wrote screenplays for, they all ended up with "Fresh" ratings on Rottentomatoes.
(2016) The Finest Hours - Rottentomatoes: 64%
(2010) The Fighter - Rottentomatoes: 90% (nominated by the Academy Awards for Best Original Screenplay)
(2002) 8 Mile - Rottentomatoes: 76%
So when Joaquin Phoenix or Marc Maron say that the script is good, I can honestly believe it.
It's fucking garbage. (For me anyways)
The movie could still be fantastic and he's a hell of an actor but the make-up is vomit.
The outfit is cool however.
The movie could still be fantastic and he's a hell of an actor but the make-up is vomit.
The outfit is cool however.
So does anyone else feel that the look treads too closely to that of Heath's Joker? 'Cause that's kind of where I'm at right now...
The hair for certain but the rest is it's own thing.
I'm not a fan but I could see it growing on me.
I do like the idea of his skin being bleached but clearly they are going for a make-up look like Ledger in TDK.
Yeah, I think it's the hair that's throwing me off honestly....
Well, that is the origin story of the character, at least in the comics.
I do like what Alex Ross said in regards to the Joker where he basically stated that he thinks the Joker has bleached white skin but everything else - the hair, the red lips, etc. - are his own added cosmetic flourishes.
I recall him mentioning that he wanted to do a character study on a comic book character for some time. The script + money probably did the trick.
Eh, I do like that this explanation makes more sense from a practical standpoint, But I think I prefer the idea that the Joker simply looks like the Joker. No makeup, just the clown prince of crime.
This looks so ferocity of Heath Ledger. The greasy hair, the make up, the masks. I just want him to have the Red Hood and acid bath :(
There's a point where "leaked" is really just a type of actual marketing. That's what this is. Part of their marketing campaign.
For genuine leaks look for those amateur shots of the force awakens set pics etc.