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New Death Stranding footage & characters
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Jesus Christ there's some strong Kojima fanboyism going on here :D
It's fine to be a fan of Kojima, I'm a fan of his work too. I still think the MGS Level Designs are some of the most iconic levels ever made in games. I haven't been much of a fan of MGS V, which is why I'm also a bit cautious of Death Stranding, especially because we haven't seen any videos yet that have shown an actual, strong core gameplay loop. Is there ANY information Kojima released that hints towards what kinda gameplay Death Stranding will have other than 'It'll have pretty complex puzzles!'? It's fine if a director first wants to get a feel for his new baby by doing what he enjoys - I'm just hoping he'll surprise us with some awesome gameplay soon.
So settle down, freakboys :D My comment wasn't ignorant, I would totally not be surprised if they don't have the gameplay really figured out yet - Which is fine, at this point they're probably still in pre-pro. But I sure hope we see some of that stuff soon instead of just cutscene after cutscene. I'm pretty certain this game won't be out for a good, long time (my bet is on 2021) and it sounds like me suggesting that they don't have the gameplay nailed down yet has everyone up in arms cause I'd guess most people here probably think it'll be out sometime soon? When have they started actual development? It hasn't been that long and it's a completely new IP and I'd bet since Kojima has been tired of making MGS after MGS, he probably doesn't want to stick to his tried and true stealth formula. This shit takes time.
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His comment doesn't surprise me at all.
From the old site:
https://segmentnext.com/2017/01/25/project-scorpio-not-half-assed-upgrade-like-ps4-pro-ori-dev/
I would've been fine with a post-apocalyptic UPS delivery game...but black goo lions with golden masks are ok, too.
Wonder where he thought that info was from...
Hopefully we hear about it next year.
Thomas sure is unfiltered but I'm not sure what's wrong with that comment you posted from the other site? Pretty much what we were all thinking at the time? I got a Pro at launch and half-assed upgrade is exactly how I felt at that time, especially when I was playing Nier Automata 'Pro patched' at a whopping 1080p. It's not until more recently that we've seen its juice put to better use.
It has nothing to do with fanboyism, you made a poor comment and followed it out by yet another one now
They should continue release cutscene after cutscene. Who needs to show gameplay when you're telling us what's really going on in the background?
Its alarming to see a dev post about other devs like a deluded fanboy and typical forum poster. I mean, who knows what sites and blogs will run those comments...
Also gaf looks horrible.
"You can say whatever you want after the fact, but that skull also symbolises somebody else...
...SKUUULLFACE!"
...SKUUULLFACE!"
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I didn't think your first post was that bad but the "My guess is that Kojima enjoys putting these cutscenes together way more than working on the actual gameplay" line was weird. Just pushes the "wishes he were a director! mgs games are movies!" meme.
Let creatives reveal their projects how they'd like and if the gameplay seems bad when it's detailed then criticize it.
It's weird and premature to criticize him on gameplay when u haven't seen it yet,don't you think ?
Damn I just noticed there is third character in the video, on the back of Sam, seems that she is alive.
Damn I just noticed there is third character in the video, on the back of Sam, seems that she is alive.
Yup, Quiet is back baby!!!!!
Yeah I'd rather what Kojima is doing to show off his game than shit like this:
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Classy.
Well that is a unique way for you to treat your possible customers.
What's wrong with that? To this day, he still edits his trailers himself, so there's probably quite a lot of passion there. This is a whole new IP and it's okay if his way of figuring it out is by putting these characters together and have them act with one another in order to figure out how they'd interact, what they'd do in the world, etc. I know lots of programmers who don't like to work on gameplay cause it's 'no challenge'. Kojima probably sees himself as a guy who's awesome at storytelling and toying with his fans, subverting expectations. He's done that again and again. He also built games since the MSX days, so it could very well be that he first wants to make sure that what he's building is interesting and then figures out the 'play' aspect.
My only problem with that approach is that I've seen designers before that worked for years on a series and then were surprised by how difficult it is to find a satisfying gameplay loop in a different genre, which is why I'm hoping they'll show that soon.
It's amazing how you try to be civil yet condescending at the same time.
Man, someone posted something on that after TGA 2017 - it was an outstanding read!
This is most insane game among insane games. Kojima unleashesd is just something else...
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There's nothing wrong with it but the tone of your initial post made it sound like you were implying he was wasting time trying to make cinematic trailers and actively ignoring working on gameplay because he disliked it. It seems like you're acknowledging this likely isn't the case with him (well it might be the case but the end product would still have enjoyable gameplay) so not sure what's being criticized anymore.
Would be one thing if there were no history we could go by but story heavy or not people tend to enjoy the gameplay of his final products. He gets the benefit of the doubt from me and I can live with not seeing gameplay if it ends up being interesting once it's finally shown in detail.
Dear lord. He literally said that he's been playing and tweaking the game morning until night this after noon in front of thousands of people.
This is the dumbest and oldest complaint regarding Kojima games. He does care about and his heavily involved with the gameplay and design.
Your assumption that they only have fancy cutscenes to show or that its all Kojima cares about is pretty embarrassing.
Sony as the publisher will no doubt be keeping tight hold of the development process and honestly I don't think the gameplay design is likely to be lagging here. The fact we're seeing so little of the gameplay is much more likely due to the marketing strategy than a reflection of where they're up to with development. It seems Sony want to keep as much mystery around the game as long as possible, to keep the conversation and hype going.
You have a problem with an "approach" that may or may not be happening in the way you describe? That's an interesting one. Have you ever thought that maybe he prefers to develop games and reveal them in a way that's different to what you do and what you're used to?
Unless you want to tell us you're working for him on the side so therefore know what's going on inside the four walls of Kojima Productions? I mean you're telling us you think it will release in 2021 when the guy actually working on this game has said otherwise.
Do we have confirmation on who is voicing del Toro in the game ? As he said they are just using his likeness.
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Joosten voicing him and he is voicing her. Screenshot this.
I don't think anybody can doubt that the guy knows how to make a fun game, he's been making good stuff for over 2 decades now, so why even jump to that conclusion? I'd guess that at this point it's harder for him to make sure his new IP is really interesting and could have the same effect on people that MGS had and he's probably pretty confident in terms of putting together a fun game. I'm even copying some of his shit in our unannounced project, so I have a lot of respect for him as a designer. But based on what we've seen so far, my bet is that they spent more time on building the world and ensuring that there's a lot they can do with what they're building instead of just focusing on the 'local' stuff and because of that this game will probably still need a good, long time in the oven.
Is there a quote on that or something? Has he ever mentioned a release window? I haven't seen that.
This is a good point. It's a sad climate where every comments has to be taken with bad faith as everything is interpreted as some kind of snarky remark.
There is no judgment or value implication in saying that Kojima probably prefers working with characters, visuals and cinematics. It's what he does best. Judging by his work, he also obviously cares about gameplay (either by developing it himself or by surrounding himself with people who can). People need to chill, man.
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I don't know, like I said the tone of the initial post was a bit weird. I'm not reading as much malice into it as some people here but you came across as a bit dismissive with:
"I wouldn't at all be surprised if gameplay-wise all they have is what they've shown at E3: Characters walking across some terrain"
"My guess is that Kojima enjoys putting these cutscenes together way more than working on the actual gameplay."
Reads a bit like 'characters walking is the only gameplay they have? Probably because Kojima enjoys creating cutscenes more than working on gameplay' which again just reads as though you're suggesting his focus on being a 'director' or whatever is actively delaying the development of the gameplay.
Anyway whatever. Hope this game turns out great ~
Yeah I'd rather what Kojima is doing to show off his game than shit like this:
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