Big Boss or Solid Snake - who’s better?

Rickenslacker · Sep 23, 2018

Solid Snake fought his own battles and beat up Big Boss and then beat up the other one for good measure.

Big Boss thinks eating mushrooms will recharge batteries and tries to get into underwear beach dates with an underage girl.

Saint-14 · Sep 23, 2018

Big Boss because he's the big boss, the games he's in are also better.

Subconian Dreamer · Sep 23, 2018

Clefargle said:
Ok I have to ask, what is a "disaster bisexual"?

It's an alignment meme

Bansai · Sep 23, 2018

Drencrom said:
You're remembering that scene completely wrong lol. She never once took of his pants and she's crying because his accelerated ageing shocked her.

Also, as the examples of my previous post and other moments in series, it's obvious that Solid has a sexuality and therefore a penis.

And yes, we're talking way too much about a fictional charcthers penis at this point lmao.

Edit: also, Solid Snake didn't know he was a clone until MGS1. Not having a penis would've surely made him question what kind of inhuman experiment he is much earlier.

The best kind of discussions.

It's possible I'm remebering it wrong though, been a while since I've played MGS4, wish we'd get a remaster.

Either way, MGS1 snake and MGS3 big boss were the best, after then both of their characters took a nosedive for me.
With SS being extra cringy, constantly repeating the last two words of the person that spoke, ugh.

Rickenslacker said:
Solid Snake fought his own battles and beat up Big Boss and then beat up the other one for good measure.

Big Boss thinks eating mushrooms will recharge batteries and tries to get into underwear beach dates with an underage girl.

Snake was in his prime during the fight while, when they were both old farts BB quickly disarmed SS for example, so it's really up for discussion who'd win if they were both on top of their game.

Clefargle · Sep 23, 2018

Subconian Dreamer said:
It's an alignment meme

Ok lol too dank for me

Flipyap · Sep 23, 2018

Big Boss. He wants to eat everything he encounters and that's funny.
Did Solid Snake ever even feed on a tree frog? I bet he didn't. I bet he wouldn't even ~~kidnap~~ rescue Hideo Kojima, knock him out, lie down next to him and have a horse poop all over their faces. What a bore.

Rickenslacker · Sep 23, 2018

Bansai said:
Snake was in his prime during the fight while, when they were both old farts BB quickly disarmed SS for example, so it's really up for discussion who'd win if they were both on top of their game.

Dude was a rookie at that point and went through an entire army before then. Twice.

Deleted member 46641 · Sep 23, 2018

If they'd stopped Big Boss' prequel series at MGS3, I'd pick him just because of how good that game's arc and ending is. A rejected handshake and a solemn salute sold Big Boss' path to villainy better than all his other games combined.

So yeah, Solid Snake. His paradoxical character - the ultimate soldier in genetics, a pacifist rejecting war in personality - makes for a good fit to the nature of the series.

Bansai · Sep 23, 2018

Rickenslacker said:
Dude was a rookie at that point and went through an entire army before then. Twice.

The dude was young and received training from the best soldier of their time, rookie or no, he was prime and ready to kick some old guy's ass. Similarly to how Naked Snake performed in his Virtuous Mission and Snake Eater.

In reality though, that "army" was a couple of rooms with what, 30 soldiers per game?

solari · Sep 23, 2018

I would have said Big Boss in a pre-MGS5 world, but seeing as that game is a bit of a mess and kinda detracts from his story imo I've since thought Solid Snake is better.

Jintor · Sep 23, 2018

solid snake isn't a shitheel, so snake

Ryouji Gunblade · Sep 23, 2018

Naked Snake, followed by Iroquois Pliskin.

Deleted member 426 · Sep 23, 2018

Solid Snake is wiser, so him.

Rickenslacker · Sep 23, 2018

Bansai said:
The dude was young and received training from the best soldier of their time, rookie or no, he was prime and ready to kick some old guy's ass. Similarly to how Naked Snake performed in his Virtuous Mission and Snake Eater.

In reality though, that "army" was a couple of rooms with what, 30 soldiers per game?

Are you really trying to downplay Solid by saying he goes by a couple rooms but saying that being 60 and having a Metal Gear puts Big Boss at that much of a disadvantage in the fiction of Metal Gear.

fertygo · Sep 23, 2018

Big Boss fucked up so bad is the thing that made him interesting, Solid is just a badass.. can't pick either tho

bane833 · Sep 23, 2018

Solid Snake

Big Boss is a little bitch.

Dreamboum · Sep 23, 2018

Subconian Dreamer said:
Solid Snake is a distinguished gay icon, retiring to coparent an adopted kid with his long-term life partner. Big Boss is a disaster bisexual.

Damning post

Drencrom · Sep 23, 2018

Flipyap said:
Big Boss. He wants to eat everything he encounters and that's funny.
Did Solid Snake ever even feed on a tree frog? I bet he didn't. I bet he wouldn't even ~~kidnap~~ rescue Hideo Kojima, knock him out, lie down next to him and have a horse poop all over their faces. What a bore.

That wasn't Big Boss though, that was Venom Snake.

Deleted member 46948 · Sep 23, 2018

Big Boss is a war criminal, but at least had vision and integrity.
Solid Snake always seemed like a good little soldier to me.

Flipyap · Sep 23, 2018

Drencrom said:
That wasn't Big Boss though, that was Venom Snake.

That's true, but he did undergo hypnotherapy to assume Big Boss's personality traits.
I guess the real question is where does Medic Guy end and the Big Boss persona begin. Are we to believe that even though Venom was stripped of his former identity, he was allowed to keep his passion for horse poop play?

Spine Crawler · Sep 23, 2018

david hayter

Peter Ian Staker · Sep 23, 2018

"If you've been in my place back then maybe you wouldn't have made the same mistakes that I did"
Big Boss to Solid Snake at the end of MGS4

Solid was an enhanced clone of Big Boss that also happened to be a better man than BB. There is no contest.

Flipyap said:
That's true, but he did undergo hypnotherapy to assume Big Boss's personality traits.
I guess the real question is where does Medic Guy end and the Big Boss persona begin. Are we to believe that even though Venom was stripped of his former identity, he was allowed to keep his passion for horse poop play?

It is implied Venom may be a better person than the real BB since he doesn't employ the child soldiers he finds unlike BB in MSF and Zanzibar Land

Drencrom · Sep 23, 2018

Peter Ian Staker said:
"If you've been in my place back then maybe you wouldn't have made the same mistakes that I did"
Big Boss to Solid Snake at the end of MGS4

Solid was an enhanced clone of Big Boss that also happened to be a better man than BB. There is no contest.

It is implied Venom may be a better person than the real BB since he doesn't employ the child soldiers he finds unlike BB in MSF and Zanzibar Land

Solid Snake was actually the inferior clone, Liquid was the clone with the superior genes.

Flipyap said:
That's true, but he did undergo hypnotherapy to assume Big Boss's personality traits.
I guess the real question is where does Medic Guy end and the Big Boss persona begin. Are we to believe that even though Venom was stripped of his former identity, he was allowed to keep his passion for horse poop play?

It was quite obvious to me at the end of the game that

Venom Snake and Big Boss are different persons with different values etc.

blackmass · Sep 23, 2018

Solid Snake. He beat the shit out of Big Boss btw.

Clefargle · Sep 23, 2018

Drencrom said:
Solid Snake was actually the inferior clone, Liquid was the clone with the superior genes.

It was quite obvious to me at the end of the game that

Venom Snake and Big Boss are different persons with different values etc.

Not really because recessive or dominant genes don't mean superior or inferior. It's just the mechanism behind hereditary traits expressing or not expressing themselves.

The Almighty Tria · Sep 23, 2018

Big Boss because he felt like he was a character with an arc and a past.

I never felt like there was ever a reason to give a shit about Solid Snake.

Drencrom · Sep 23, 2018

Clefargle said:
Not really because recessive or dominant genes don't mean superior or inferior. It's just the mechanism behind hereditary traits expressing or not expressing themselves.

They werent litterally talking about recessive and dominant genes in this cloning case of BB, but about what genes were tied to "Big Boss greatness" as a soldier. Liquid Snake has blonde hair, which is a recessive gene, while Solid Snake is brown haired which would be the dominant gene.

TitanicFall · Sep 23, 2018

Solid Snake. "He lived a hard life" , and tried to do the right thing. Big Boss fell too far. I can only sympathize with him in MGS3, but the later games ruin the character.

Clefargle · Sep 23, 2018

Drencrom said:
They werent litterally talking about recessive and dominant genes in this cloning case of BB, but about what genes were tied to "Big Boss greatness" as a soldier. Liquid Snake has blonde hair, which is a recessive gene, while Solid Snake is brown haired which would be the dominant gene.

This is at odds with

Solid Snake was actually the inferior clone, Liquid was the clone with the superior genes.

SolidChamp · Sep 23, 2018

Vault said:
Big Boss got less interesting with every game

So much fucking truth in one sentence. Just, nailed it.

Naked Snake/Big Boss in MGS3 is actually one of the best characters in the saga, if not the best. You can see the lineage and the parallels between him and Solid Snake, but he still feels different enough to be considered a "legend".

Literally everything after that is so convoluted and superfluous. Like, fuck why did ya have to go and ruin the mythology that was so well established in MGS3? It's like Kojima was so attached to the MGS3 era and just couldn't let it go.

Damn shame.

Therefore, Solid Snake.

butman · Sep 23, 2018

Solid Snake. Kojima destroyed Big Boss story.

Deleted member 45414 · Sep 23, 2018

Solid Snake because he is the underdog that could.

Also because he has better friends.

Drencrom · Sep 23, 2018

Clefargle said:
This is at odds with

What? I think you're confusing things. Brown hair is a dominant gene in comparison with blonde hair which is reccesive, but Solid Snake still has brown hair even though he's the inferior clone. It really isn't that complicated, Liquid was supposed to be the better soldier with the better/superior (not dominant) genes according to the people behind the cloning project Les Enfant Terribles for him to be a better soldier than Big Boss. It has nothing to do with recessive and dominant genes, the game is intentionally mixing it up in MGS1 with Liquid thinking he's the inferior one, but it's later revealed by Revolver Ocelot in the secret ending that Liquid was the superior clone.

Raonak · Sep 23, 2018

Technically, Solid Snake defeated Big Boss FOUR times

BB - the original
Venom - the psychological clone
Liquid Snake - a physical clone
Liquid Ocelot - a psychological clone of the physical clone

How many times has Big Boss beat himself? NONE.

theosmeo · Sep 23, 2018

Subconian Dreamer said:
Solid Snake is a distinguished gay icon, retiring to coparent an adopted kid with his long-term life partner. Big Boss is a disaster bisexual.

I think this is the best post on all of www.resetera.com

If I could pick Raiden I would, and not just for his mgs4/mgrr appearance(love him in 2 also).

between our two leading ladies I'm gunna hafta go with Solid Snake tho, Big Boss really takes a hit from Peace Walker and MGSV having poor narratives.

Clefargle · Sep 23, 2018

Drencrom said:
What? I think you're confusing things. Brown hair is a dominant gene in comparison with blonde hair which is reccesive, but Solid Snake still has brown hair even though he's the inferior clone. It really isn't that complicated, Liquid was supposed to be the better soldier with the better/superior (not dominant) genes according to the people behind the cloning project Les Enfant Terribles for him to be a better soldier than Big Boss. It has nothing to do with recessive and dominant genes, the game is intentionally mixing it up in MGS1 with Liquid thinking he's the inferior one, but it's later revealed by Revolver Ocelot in the secret ending that Liquid was the superior clone.

Then either Liquid snake or the writers don't know much about genetics if they refer to genes they find positive as "dominant".

Deleted member 227 · Sep 23, 2018

Drencrom said:
What? I think you're confusing things. Brown hair is a dominant gene in comparison with blonde hair which is reccesive, but Solid Snake still has brown hair even though he's the inferior clone. It really isn't that complicated, Liquid was supposed to be the better soldier with the better/superior (not dominant) genes according to the people behind the cloning project Les Enfant Terribles for him to be a better soldier than Big Boss. It has nothing to do with recessive and dominant genes, the game is intentionally mixing it up in MGS1 with Liquid thinking he's the inferior one, but it's later revealed by Revolver Ocelot in the secret ending that Liquid was the superior clone.

Without pitching in on the rest of the debate, Liquid and Solid has the same hair colour. Snake dyes his at the beginning of MGS1 and they say Liquid's got "bleached by the sun" somewhere in the game too.

Drencrom · Sep 23, 2018

Clefargle said:
Then either Liquid snake or the writers don't know much about genetics if they refer to genes they find positive as "dominant".

I just think Kojima and the team wanted to intentionally mislead people that knew one squat about genetics that Liquid was the "inferior" clone.

Monsoon said:
Without pitching in on the rest of the debate, Liquid and Solid has the same hair colour. Snake dyes his at the beginning of MGS1 and they say Liquid's got "bleached by the sun" somewhere in the game too.

He did not dye his hair, that's a misconception. He just cuts it before the mission because he also sported long hair like Liquid before the mission.

Also, I'm not sure about Liquid is only blonde because it's "bleached in the sun" because Liquid had blonde hair even as a young child in MGSV (spoilers lol) and he must've had pretty light hair in the first place for it to be bleach blonde like in MGSV and MGS1. But it really doesn't matter because dominant and recessive genes have nothing to do with "superior" or "inferior" genes and it's established that Liquid was supposed to be the better clone to surpass BB which is what matters.

Rotobit · Sep 23, 2018

Otacon is by far the best character in all of Metal Gear, and I think that's deliberate. He (plus Sunny) are the ones that actually enact The Boss's will, without ever really knowing who she even was.

But between those two I'd say Solid Snake is the better character due to being consistent and having less convolution to him. He's also a better human being.

Big Boss meanwhile does a 180 after MGS3 but also doesn't quite commit to it? He's meant to be villainous but he's pretty much always portrayed as an anti-hero at worst, which is just kinda weird after he outright states Outer Heaven is fine with doing terrorist acts at the end of Peace Walker. MGSV basically makes out that the only true villains in Metal Gear are either crazy AI, the ridiculous ham that is Skull Face, or Senator Armstrong.

Deleted member 152 · Sep 23, 2018

Cyberpunk said:
Solid Snake ( you didn't say old snake , right right xD )

IMO Big Boss Story should had ended with MGS3 and he was great in that game , The ending of it makes the gap between MGS3 and MG1 explains itself , While peace walker was an enjoyable portable game and MGSV was great in gameplay , but The plot and storywise they felt like a drag and side games to the overall plot , Miller was the only one who got advantage from those games , but TBH I liked the way they reveal how bad is Big Boss in MGSV , instead of the long drag way , they went with a more unexpected way

This man gets it, Solid Snake all the way.

the_mentalist89 · Sep 23, 2018

solid snake

big boss is boring .

ActWan · Sep 23, 2018

Big Boss is the better (more interesting) character, Solid Snake is the better (good) person.

Stoof · Sep 23, 2018

Solid snake is a better character but Big Boss is hotter so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Raonak · Sep 23, 2018

Monsoon said:
Without pitching in on the rest of the debate, Liquid and Solid has the same hair colour. Snake dyes his at the beginning of MGS1 and they say Liquid's got "bleached by the sun" somewhere in the game too.

What, no. Snake's natural hair colour is brown. He only cuts his hair at the start of MGS1.

BossAttack · Sep 23, 2018

Someone please post that 4chan image.

Raonak · Sep 23, 2018

Stoof said:
Solid snake is a better character but Big Boss is hotter so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

No-one beats Old Snake's ass.

AllThingsPurple · Sep 23, 2018

MGS 3 is my favourite game in the series but i like Solid Snake best.

Can we get MGS 1,2 and 3 remastered already for current consoles.

Deleted member 227 · Sep 23, 2018

Drencrom said:
I just think Kojima and the team wanted to intentionally mislead people that a knew one squat about genetics that Liquid was in fact the "inferior" clone.

He did not dye his hair, that's a misconception. He just cuts it before the mission because he also sported long hair like Liquid before the mission.

Also, I'm not sure about Liquid is only blonde because it's "bleached in the sun" because Liquid had blonde hair even as a young child in MGSV (spoilers lol) and he must've had pretty light hair in the first place for it to be bleach blonde like in MGSV and MGS1. But it really doesn't matter because dominant and recessive genes have nothing to do with "superior" or "inferior" genes and it's established that Liquid was supposed to be the better clone to surpass BB which is what matters.

Raonak said:
What, no. Snake's natural hair colour is brown. He only cuts his hair at the start of MGS1.

Yeah, I fell in the trap of an urban gaming myth, my bad. :< They still say Liquid's is a result of spending too much time in the sun, so I imagine they are still supposed to have the same hair colour in the first place. Liquid had been south of equator 5 years by the time MGS5 happens, so idk, it's plausible it still happened or it got retconned.

Ryuichi Naruhodo · Sep 23, 2018

I wished we could get an HD version of Liquid so that we can compare his facial textures to Big Boss and Solid Snake even with the blonde hair to see if he is identical to them or he just looks like them

But I guess Meryl saying that Solid Snake looks identical to Liquid Snake tells a lot about that

Cyborg · Sep 23, 2018

Solid Snake cause it all started for me with SS. After MGS3 I loved BB, he had so much potential. To bad he just got a shitty story after that. It was way worse than MGS3.... Kojima smoked god knows what in MGS4 an Phantom Pain

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