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Who is the most manly man in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate?

  • Snake

    Votes: 176 20.4%
  • Simon Belmont

    Votes: 176 20.4%
  • Captain Falcon

    Votes: 328 38.0%
  • Ryu

    Votes: 69 8.0%
  • Ike

    Votes: 114 13.2%

  • Total voters
    863
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HibbySloth

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They may not have seen Banjo as necessary because they already had Mario to fill the 3D platformer role for their systems.

That's also another factor.

I also imagine he still had to negotiate for the Proximity Mine, Cloaking Device and/or the Motion Sensor Bomb alongside Rare trophies, so I imagine this type of thing came up often in Melee's development even outside character selection.


I kind of wonder if Diddy's rights at the time were considered up in the air. For the Smash 64 "what if there was a smash 2" reader polls he put Diddy in the Rare category.

I think Rare at the very least had some rights to the Kongs and Kremlings they created. It seems like all of that was sold completely to Nintendo when the buyout happened.


https://www.ign.com/articles/2002/09/20/official-nintendo-ends-relationship-with-rare

Nintendo stated that it would retain the rights for all original properties including Donkey Kong, Diddy Kong and Star Fox. It made no comment on whether or not Rare would retain the Perfect Dark and Conker's Bad Fur Day licenses.
 

Tavernade

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I kind of wonder if Diddy's rights at the time were considered up in the air. For the Smash 64 "what if there was a smash 2" reader polls he put Diddy in the Rare category.

Had Diddy been in any Nintendo-made spin offs yet? A cursory look online and I don't think he was in any Mario sports games on the N64. It's possible they figured out they own Diddy after the fact, since they started using him in the GCN sports games.
 

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That's why we need an E-rated character who pisses on her enemies.

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Don't even joke, an Ammy trailer alone would give me a heart attack, I swear to God.
 

Regulus Tera

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If Rare hadn't been bought out by Microsoft, Banjo and Kazooie would have been the first of their characters to make it over to Smash. Their games were by far more popular than Perfect Dark/Conker/Jet Force Gemini.
 

1000% H

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I also imagine he still had to negotiate for the Proximity Mine, Cloaking Device and/or the Motion Sensor Bomb alongside Rare trophies, so I imagine this type of thing came up often in Melee's development even outside character selection.


I kind of wonder if Diddy's rights at the time were considered up in the air. For the Smash 64 "what if there was a smash 2" reader polls he put Diddy in the Rare category.
Rare being a category in that poll always read as odd to me considering the other categories were for series and not developers. Almost like even back then, Rare wasn't viewed as "Nintendo" by Nintendo, especially with Diddy being there. I honestly think if Diddy didn't get so popular so quickly, he would have been largely pushed aside kinda like K Rool.

They may not have seen Banjo as necessary because they already had Mario to fill the 3D platformer role for their systems.
I could see that for the time, but now that really seems silly considering how many 2D platforming franchises they run with and how 3D Mario basically has 2 distinct styles that Nintendo themselves have acknowledged. Imagine the timeline where Banjo anchored the sandbox collectathon style and Mario anchored the obstacle course style and they both went in bold new directions for the past 15+ years.
 

louisacommie

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Stamper brothers were weird

If they continues to sell to Nintendo at a couple percent rate instead of wanting to cash out completely, meaning nintendo eventually fully owns rare

If see banjo with two other unique characters in by now
Joanna dark
Conker
And perhaps the battle toads being in by now
 

HibbySloth

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It's funny to think that if Microsoft didn't put in a colossal bid, Rare would have been purchased by Activision.
 

louisacommie

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Yeah, they were second-party, they were making games for Nintendo exclusively during that period. They carried a lot of weight and then Nintendo just let them go.
They were let go because the stampers wanted to cash out on their success and high stock and sell the remainder of their 51 percent stock, and Nintendo didn't want to spend a half a billion dollars on it
 

1000% H

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They were let go because the stampers wanted to cash out on their success and high stock and sell the remainder of their 51 percent stock, and Nintendo didn't want to spend a half a billion dollars on it
To buy up the Stampers' stakes would not have been half a billion dollars and them selling off their share is a separate thing from Nintendo also selling off theirs.
 

mopinks

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Stamper brothers were weird

If they continues to sell to Nintendo at a couple percent rate instead of wanting to cash out completely, meaning nintendo eventually fully owns rare

If see banjo with two other unique characters in by now
Joanna dark
Conker
And perhaps the battle toads being in by now
man, we really dodged a bullet
 

HibbySloth

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I honestly doubt we would have gotten Conker or the Battletoads. Conker would be impossible to tone down for Smash, and the Battletoads never really had much to do with Nintendo. They were before Rare's partnership with them.

Would love to live in a world where I could take on someone like Cloud with Mumbo Jumbo. Eekum Bokum.

What would break the internet harder? Banjo or Sora?

I'm a huge Banjo fan, but it would be Sora.
 

louisacommie

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Yeah I overstated the price rounding up I forgot the exact amount




Anyway rare owned Nintendo , on the gamecube banjo would have been a better game then sunshine so this is a sad reality
 

HibbySloth

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Yeah I overstated the price rounding up I forgot the exact amount




Anyway rare owned Nintendo , on the gamecube banjo would have been a better game then sunshine so this is a sad reality

Yeah, I hate thinking about it. We lost out on a Perfect Dark for the Gamecube, Banjo-Threeie, a Donkey Kong Racing game, and who knows what else.

Here's some fun trivia for K. Rool fans. There was going to be a Diddy Kong Racing game for the GBA that had K. Rool as an integral part of the plot.



It also had playable Mario characters!

diddy_kong_pilot___spaceworld_characters_by_jackbh-dbay9uj.png
 

Zarzolaon

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Since we're only missing one update at this point, I figure I'll mention my last ~blog numbers observation~

The video thumbnails do have proper filenames. Just for example, Ganondorf is
Character_EN_23_Ganondorf_0604.jpg


As I was going through them I noticed a few different ones and finally realized the number at the end is probably a date. So Ganondorf there is 0604 or June 4th.
This doesn't really say anything...you can't be cute and change it to future characters or try to predict who is coming when or anything. Can't call up a photo that's not uploaded, you know? But I think it's interesting from a behind the scenes, putting a website together perspective!

The overwhelming majority of them are 0604. Seems like they made all the thumbnails for the videos (or finalized them or w/e) on June 4th. Or, almost all of them:

Ridley & Duck Hunt are (so far) the only ones who have a date of 0607. Inkling was also 6/4, incidentally.

Interestingly it looks like the American branch lost a bunch of them or had some bad encoding mishaps or something. Everything from Mario to at least Pichu (excluding Dark Samus) is labeled with FIX instead. Japan had no issues, as usual. Even before the blog goes up the western side has issues.

Pokemon Trainer's is weird. It's just gibbrish. data/bs/en_US/img/bfa8f5d87bf39f944034fee7faaedd12.jpg even in japan it's entirely different gibbrish data/bs/ja_JP/img/d4025b2f2556d3957636362c49efe4ba.jpg
Only one like that. Someone just got frustrated and keysmashed?

The Smash Direct gang are all 0802.
Isabelle is 0823. I guess they had her's prepared for like two weeks prior instead of a few days before.

There is one maybe-kind-of interesting thing. Dark Samus, Simon, Richter & K Rool are all labeled 0802, like I mentioned above, but Chrom is labeled 0608. Maybe Chrom was intended to be shown much earlier and they changed their minds? Or could just be someone mislabeling the thumbnails. Like I said, only maybe kind of interesting.
Chrom being revealed earlier would've made things more balanced, with the earlier group, counting Inkling, having 2 newcomers and 2 echoes, and then the same for the 8/8 Smash direct. Doesn't tell us anything, but it could possibly mean the 5 characters we got would've been 4 instead.
 

Regulus Tera

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Yeah, I hate thinking about it. We lost out on a Perfect Dark for the Gamecube, Banjo-Threeie, a Donkey Kong Racing game, and who knows what else.

Here's some fun trivia for K. Rool fans. There was going to be a Diddy Kong Racing game for the GBA that had K. Rool as an integral part of the plot.



It also had playable Mario characters!

diddy_kong_pilot___spaceworld_characters_by_jackbh-dbay9uj.png

Really, the fact that we never got Diddy Kong Racing 2 hurts me more than the lack of Banjo Threeie.
 

Maximum Spider

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Yeah, I hate thinking about it. We lost out on a Perfect Dark for the Gamecube, Banjo-Threeie, a Donkey Kong Racing game, and who knows what else.

Here's some fun trivia for K. Rool fans. There was going to be a Diddy Kong Racing game for the GBA that had K. Rool as an integral part of the plot.



It also had playable Mario characters!

diddy_kong_pilot___spaceworld_characters_by_jackbh-dbay9uj.png

This is pretty cool but that's too many Mario Character in a DK-themed game. It's pretty funny that Diddy would've been the main character in a game starring Mario and Donkey Kong.
 

r_n

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Oct 25, 2017
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Chrom being revealed earlier would've made things more balanced, with the earlier group, counting Inkling, having 2 newcomers and 2 echoes, and then the same for the 8/8 Smash direct. Doesn't tell us anything, but it could possibly mean the 5 characters we got would've been 4 instead.
ALso possible they intended to show off Chrom separately.

It's all assumptions anyway. If it is indicative of anything I wonder if his footage was recorded earlier than the others too?
 

mopinks

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if Rare had actually become part of Nintendo Conker would've vanished off the face of the earth

well, earlier than he did, anyway
 

Regulus Tera

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The best ad Nintendo of America did in that era was Golden Sun 1's:



It has so little to do with the game. It's great! And it even ended up influencing Golden Sun 3:

 

r_n

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well, 12 to 25 was more than double at the time, especially considering it was the single biggest jump graphically in the series.
Oh yeah not to downplay doubling the size just crazy how now the selling point is over 70
And "unexpected" back then was like...some of those weird clones, Sheik, Ice Climbers, Game & Watch and now we got like...Snake, Cloud, Bayonetta, etc.

e:L I mean okay yes Bayonetta did not exist at the time but, still
 

lvl 99 Pixel

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Oh yeah not to downplay doubling the size just crazy how now the selling point is over 70
And "unexpected" back then was like...some of those weird clones, Sheik, Ice Climbers, Game & Watch and now we got like...Snake, Cloud, Bayonetta, etc.

I don't think they have ever topped Mr Game and Watch for unexpected
I think the Ice Climbers are up there just for being 2 characters running around which I dont think anyone ever predicted
 
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1000% H

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I think once Conker went M there was zero chance of having him cross paths with Banjo and Diddy again in any major way, including a DKR sequel, and I think that would then lock him out of being playable in Smash .
 
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